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45-Year Physics Mystery Shows a Path To Quantum Transistors

New submitter cyberspittle sends this research report from the University of Michigan: An odd, iridescent material that's puzzled physicists for decades turns out to be an exotic state of matter that could open a new path to quantum computers and other next-generation electronics. ... The researchers provide the first direct evidence that samarium hexaboride, abbreviated SmB6, is a topological insulator (abstract). Topological insulators are, to physicists, an exciting class of solids that conduct electricity like a metal across their surface, but block the flow of current like rubber through their interior. They behave in this two-faced way despite that their chemical composition is the same throughout. ... This deeper understanding of samarium hexaboride raises the possibility that engineers might one day route the flow of electric current in quantum computers like they do on silicon in conventional electronics.

56 comments

  1. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting

  2. an exotic matter lens?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open a slipstream portal right away. Let's find that Vedran Empire and be conquered by it!

  3. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is that we too often hear about these revolutionary scientific concepts but they are forgotten after a week and the tech never materializes into anything.

  4. Quantum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the parallel universe I come from we had quantum hard drives more than 2 decades ago.

    1. Re:Quantum by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

      Yes, And Microsoft didn't exist and UNIX replaced CPM when the hardware got mature (protected flat 386) to support that ideal. VMS would be the solution to datacenters and intrusions would be reduced to knocking on doors.
      Keep dreaming silly person.

    2. Re:Quantum by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

      Oh Wait,
      I think that's what happened.
      Except for VMS

    3. Re:Quantum by oracleofbargth · · Score: 2

      Microsoft hired the VMS developers to write Windows NT, so technically that part happened too. Many intrusions are about as hard as knocking on a door too, so overall i think it is pretty accurate.

    4. Re:Quantum by JasonGoatcher · · Score: 1

      That's nothing, in my universe the Roman Empire never fell and we had the Internet in 1000AD.

      You jokers haven't even made it past the moon, while I'm looking at a sky full of stars so prevalent that we don't even need streetlights.

      (yes, I'm being imaginative)

  5. Fluff piece by msobkow · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary and the article itself are so fluffy and short that they don't give any useful information about how this material relates to quantum computing, nor why it's properties are significant. There is mention of a class of electrons involved, but not how nor why this particular type of electron is relevant to quantum computing.

    It sounds interesting and all, but it would have been nice to have enough information to give one something to think about instead of just having to assume that the high faluting professors know their shit and must be right. :P

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    1. Re:Fluff piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fluff piece indeed. While the effects are quite interesting from a theoretical point of view (see the article itself) the habit of clueless pop-sci 'article' writers to jump with both feet into producing quantum computing noise sentences as soon as they see the word 'quantum' in a paper is becoming tiresome.

    2. Re:Fluff piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is short on explanations, but one of the natures of Quantum Mechanics effects is that it happens most often on the micro scale (things like single atoms). So if this material if it insulates/isolates a 1 molecule thick surface it "might" have some use (taking it a step closer) in creating the very small circuits that can show some kind of Quantum properties.

      Of course 3 Degree Kelvin is really cold, so dont expect it in the desktop size anytime soon

    3. Re:Fluff piece by teridon · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a bit more information about why "Dirac electrons" (electrons behaving relativistically instead of classically) are important for quantum computing here:

      http://www.michigandaily.com/n...

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    4. Re:Fluff piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All electrons are Dirac fermions, classical is just a convenient low-energy approximation.

    5. Re:Fluff piece by mynamestolen · · Score: 1

      I don't have mod points now, so someone please give post points. As to the fluff piece accusation, I think you are being too tough. The piece provides a nice hook and some good info for anyone wanting to follow up. It is simply untrue to say there is no useful info in it.

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  6. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by Threni · · Score: 1

    Isn't that the beer that comes in the cool, silver can?

  7. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're thinking of coors, the silver bullet. But that's not beer. That's horse piss in a can.

  8. Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Isolator is related to resistance to flow of current - an electrical concept, and a lot of it.
    Insulator is related to resistance to flow of heat.

    I wonder how a whole generation of Americans get that concept wrong every time. Fortunately I live in a country where I don't see that because we don't have terms that differentiate between the two. Since it seems so impossible for Americans to get it right, suggest you move to single term - perhaps that is what is going on.

    Another problematic term is insure/ensure where even highly educated Americans seem to prefer to user ensure for everything. Examples include Insure nothing goes wrong - I wonder who will be willing to provide such coverage and pay for the policy when the intended meaning was to ensure nothing goes wrong. This particular term might be attributable to Microsoft (who bough spell check from third party that had insure but not ensure available to use for years)

    1. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that words sound the same and get mixed if there isn't any proper precaution. It is the their/there/they're and your/you're problem, where the words sound the same. Those differences are commonly taught in school, but insure / ensure are not, or at least were not for my classes. I'm more irritated with misusing its / it's, and not using an Oxford Comma.

      Even with these problems in the language, I wouldn't want to change. With a language so complex, if there is a word I don't know how to spell or know how to use correctly, I can just change the words and how I say it to get the same effect. Also, accents suck when trying to spell correctly. For example, I want to spell "precaution" as "percaution" as that is how I say it.

    2. Re:Insulator, Isolator by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you're confused about isolator/insulator. Wires are commonly wrapped in insulation (e.g. rubber) to prevent them conducting. You can also put insulation into your walls to reduce heat loss.

      An isolator is typically a mechanical switch that would completely disconnect an electrical circuit.

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    3. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An isolator is still an insulator if you want to get technical.

    4. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those silly Americans were getting it wrong even in 1873 when Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism was written by that "American" James Clerk Maxwell who obviously was the start of this "whole generation" of wrong thinking about electricity. Page 29 of my edition talks about insulators...

      (For those that don't understand the scare quotes, Maxwell was Scottish and did his work in Scotland and England...)

    5. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about?

      "(who bough spell check"

      You dickweed.

    6. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, isloator as in optoisolator - a device that uses a light emitter and detector to pass a signal without any risk of an electrical connection between the two sides.

    7. Re:Insulator, Isolator by duck_rifted · · Score: 1

      Beyond your points, we're also seeing a decline in language skills for reasons seldom addressed. When people ensure that posts contain proper spelling and *written* grammar, it takes a little extra time and effort to proofread content. Corrections especially need to be made where the author of a post is sleep deprived, emotionally agitated, distracted, or in a hurry.

      Then, just as happens on most websites when people research post topics before speaking, some chucklehead appears from the woodwork to crap all over the entire thing by calling names. Other adults behaving as children join in the juvenile name-calling and aversion to actual thought because it takes less effort and affords them the opportunity to get a nice Beavis and Butthead chuckle. Those who put forth the extra effort to write as informed, educated people are the most likely ones to attract such behavior for "thinking they're smart".

      That experience punishes grammar, spelling, accuracy, and attention to detail until people get fatigued and simply join in the Beavis and Butthead chuckling. Case in point: minutes ago, I got called arrogant by somebody because I criticized a History Channel show for teaching events in a Shakespearean play as if those events are actual history. In my reply to that person, I put forth less effort because it had already been demonstrated that the attention to detail is wasted.

      This isn't an American problem, and it's not just a problem in the sciences. This is eroding the smarts from discussion across the board. It doesn't *seem* to correlate with any markers of quality thoughts and work either. From economic station to political persuasion, profession, hobbies, interests, age, etc, it seems that everybody is having stupid beaten into their heads by social influences. It's spreading like a plague thanks to a growing legion of Beavis and Butthead clones.

    8. Re:Insulator, Isolator by duck_rifted · · Score: 1

      Maybe in 1873, Maxwell wasn't aware of all linguistic distinctions necessary for the concepts to make sense everywhere in the world. I could be wrong, but maybe he was too busy being a physicist to also be a linguist and diplomat.

    9. Re:Insulator, Isolator by duck_rifted · · Score: 1

      addendum: Also, Maxwell was Scottish.

    10. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As stated clearly in the post you replied to...

    11. Re:Insulator, Isolator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the parent poster was too subtle for you or maybe you just completely missed how wrong the original poster was at the start of the thread. They explicitly blamed it on Americans and implicitly claimed it was a current or recent generation. The AC reply above succinctly gives a counter example of this, a non-American in a definitive source from over hundred years ago that makes no use of the word originally claimed to be correct, and only uses the world claimed to be a bastardization.

      If that is not good enough, you can go over another hundred years back and to the 1740s and find insulator was a term used by William Watson, which is about 50 years before the first use of isolate in English. Which is not surprising, considering insulate comes directly from Latin, while isolate came from the same original root, but via French and Italian at a later date. Also, at this time, both heat and electricity were consider to be flow of fluids between materials, they were both analogous in a similar way. So it should also not be surprising that insulation is the opposite of conduction, another word that also gets used both for heat and electricity.

      This has pretty much nothing to do with linguistics or diplomacy, just that the original poster was flat out wrong. Insulation was used in the context of blocking electricity before isolate was even an English word, going back to when basic concepts of electricity were still being worked out while science was switching from Latin to English communication. A word was coined and has seen consistent use for over two hundred years, except for one poster who doesn't know what they are talking about.

  9. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still can't help it, I'm a modern life man with a low attention span and want cool results now.

  10. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to read about things you can go out and buy in a store next week there are better sources to read than slashdot.
    Your local electronics store probably have more information.

  11. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So what you are saying, basically, is that you are an idiot.

  12. QUANTUM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it will yield new ways to construct cloaking devices. No, wait - it's going to revolutionize fusion, or build quantum computers, or teleportation chambers. If we combine it with graphene, it will allow for FTL travel. Future! Future! Future!

  13. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by camperdave · · Score: 1

    But if you don't have any patience or ability to imagine that change is coming, you can always do us a big favor and commit seppuku.

    Don't tell him that. We'll always need mindless drones to work the mines.

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  14. Not the first time Dirac electrons have been seen by cruff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interestingly this article, also from U Mich, talks about observing Dirac electrons: http://www.ns.umich.edu/new/re...

  15. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alright, back to the caves, everyone!!

  16. wait -- it's a network protocol? by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    SmB6 - is that really Samba v.6? :-)

    (Hey, someone was going to post this.)

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  17. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Bengie · · Score: 1

    Quite a bit of it materializes in one way or another, many years later, and no one mentions which /. story the new tech is being used it, but it happens all the time.

  18. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is that we too often hear about these revolutionary scientific concepts but they are forgotten after a week and the tech never materializes into anything.

    Although much of physics is actually for the pure sake of science, it's important to note possible uses to humanity of the science we're developing. Much of the time it's a long shot, but we need to keep working on this stuff even at that rate.

    But the end of the silicon transistor is roadmapped. Developments in the near term depend now more than ever on new physics. A slashdot regular should see that. Topological insulators are promising materials for future devices, and on top of that they're the weirdest thing in physics since superconductivity. With only a handful of topologically insulating materials, the discovery of a new material is great news.

    Science takes time and effort. If you are interested in real progress, I encourage you to join. If not, at least recognize the difficulty of the task and how much we depend on it, especially with the end of silicon looming.

  19. blah blah blah by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 1
    To draw a quote from myself, re nanotubes...

    Every time I hear about (snip) quantum computing (snip), they keep saying "soon soon soon"... Well, what I want to know is when this stuff will leave the research labs and be of any practical use to anyone. Either shit or get off the pot already.

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    1. Re:blah blah blah by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Well, it's at "super cold temperatures", so probably not in your lifetime. Also, according to the article, it's "...made of the metal samarium and the rare metalloid boron." So apparently there are heaps of Samarium about, but this boron, well, maybe we can mine asteriods for it, I dunno.

  20. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    So do we have a chemistry nutter troll now, too?

  21. Re:And they said we'd have flying cars long before by Your.Master · · Score: 1

    Then stop coming to a tech news site.

    This is literally what slashdot is here for.

  22. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    It's not the end of silicon that's in sight. It's the end of the growth described by Moore's Law, ultimately the end of shrinking silicon devices, and the beginning of either cleverer manufacturing.

    It the end of civilization as we know it, depending on how many friends in the semiconductor business you have...

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  23. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the end of silicon that's in sight. It's the end of the growth described by Moore's Law, ultimately the end of shrinking silicon devices

    That's what I was referring to implicitly, but it's also highly likely that silicon devices will be supplanted with III-V's or something else. 1.5nm seems to be the optimistic guess for the end of the line right now, and that's roadmapped for around 2021. 7nm is already dubious and it's slated for around 2018. See e.g. semiengineering.com/will-7nm-and-5nm-really-happen

    It the end of civilization as we know it, depending on how many friends in the semiconductor business you have...

    I think we've been fortunate to have Moore's law growth continue for so long, so that now we don't really need faster devices. Our current computers and even mobile devices are entirely capable of handling the mass consumer's needs. So while it may not be the end of civ, it's the end of an era where doubling came easy. And the end of silicon (ie the continued shrinking of silicon-based transistors) is pretty much within the next 5-10 years. Which is why physics (solid state physics), including e.g. topological insulators, is so important right now, if you're looking beyond those 5-10.

  24. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Leading edge devices will likely depart from silicon, but it's going to be a long time before silicon ceases to be the default material for active electronic devices. Silicon tolerates higher temperatures than some other semiconductors, and having a native insulating oxide is a great advantage. There's a lot of production experience with silicon, and it won't be put aside lightly.

    As far as speed is concerned, in my opinion it would be greatly advantageous to have significantly faster devices. I don't like programs that take hours to run.

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  25. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befo by JasonGoatcher · · Score: 1

    I don't drink, personally, because I'm on medication that sometimes has odd and, though rarely, deadly reactions to alcohol. But from what I've heard, it sounds like Europeans make beer that's fun to drink, while American beer manufacturers have simply created an alcohol delivery system and added marketing to it.

    When I say the above, I'm simply regurgitating what my dad has said and what I've read online. Bcause, as i said before, I don't actually drink.

  26. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    We might have a short time where good code becomes important again.

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  27. Re: And they said we'd have flying cars long befor by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

    diamond wafers are already a reality (albeit small sized). Sooner or later we'll step up to carbon semiconductors.