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Report: Big Issues Remain Before Drones Can Safely Access National Airspace

coondoggie writes The story sounds familiar – while the use of unmanned [aerial vehicles], sometimes illegally, is increasing, there are myriad challenges to ultimately allow them safe access to national airspace. The watchdogs at the Government Accountability Office issued a report on the integration of unmanned aerial systems, as it calls them, in US national airspace (NAS) today ahead of a congressional hearing on the topic. As it has noted in past reports, the GAO said the main issues continue to include the ability for drones to avoid other aircraft in the sky; what backup network is available and how should the system behave if it loses its communications link.

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  1. For safe integration with existing air traffic by DanDD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the minimum, these are the requirements for somewhat safe integration into the existing airspace. Anything less is asking for big troubles for any private and commercial air traffic that shares the sky with these things:

    1. Mode S Transponder
    2. ADSB In & Out
    3. Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS)
    4. May only operate in areas with active radar coverage under IFR flight plan (some legal airplanes do not have a transponder!)
    4. Operators must be in constant contact and control of the drone and must be licensed pilots
    5. altitude & airspace restrictions ( right of way: licensed drone rotorcraft fixed-wing airship )

    Otherwise, they can keep below 300 AGL and in line of sight with their operators.

    Anything less and drones will be a threat to anyone that flies on any airplane, anywhere.

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    1. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no cameras, that instantly puts it into a commercial licence

      Why would a hobbyist using a GoPro to take some landscape pictures from 100' in the air be instantly considered - by you - to be a commercial operator?

      Consider, say, Harry Homeowner who is using his hobby drone (say, a 4-pound DJI Phantom) to fly 50' in the air to see if his house's gutters are clogged with leaves. He's line of site, he's flying hundreds of feet below any air space used by "real" aircraft, and he's just using his little flying robot like the fun tool it is. The fact that he's got a tiny camera onboard, looking at his own roof, makes that commercial use, and reason to have the FAA fine him for not having acquired an actual commercial pilot's license? Are you even listening to yourself?

      And for that matter, how is the safety of the situation any different if he's doing that, and then Neighbor Bob says, "Hey, Harry Homeowner! I'll give you $10 and a cold beer if you'll fly that little camera 50' to the right, and check out my chimney for me, OK?" How does Harry's acceptance of that $10 make what he's doing suddenly more dangerous? Be specific.

      That will surely weed out most of the idiots

      How? What mechanism do you have in mind that will stop somebody from throwing together $200 worth of parts and flying a nice little camera-carrying quadcopter anyway? The ONLY people you're looking to give trouble to are the ones who will already be informed, and operating with safety in mind. I suspect that your actual agenda is to preserve some piece of the AP market for yourself, at the expense of people willing to run a cheap little machine over a farmer's field or rooftop for pay.

      But in practical terms, I'm more interested in your truly strange sense of what makes something suddenly commercial (carrying a camera? really? have you never used or even contemplated the use of a video downlink as a way to make the hobby more fun and more safe?), or why you think that people operating commercially aren't already doing so far more safely than somebody who just clicked "buy now" at Amazon because a little flying-drone-thing looks like fun to play with.

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    2. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      300 AGL? "Anything less and drones will be a threat to anyone that flies on any airplane, anywhere."

      What the hell? When do planes fly at anything less than many many many times that height? Assuming that people can't fly their drones near an airport (which you failed to add to your list of requirements) why would a plane EVER be so low as to require drones to stay below 300 ft?

    3. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      Why is commercial vs non-commercial even an issue? So that the FAA can make more money? To make sure there is a big barrier to entrance so that new entrepeneurs don't take business away from the big established businesses? I wonder who you work for...

      Any rules should be the MINIMUM necessary to provide necessary safety. There is nothing inherantly less safe about adding a camera or... for that matter even getting paid to do so. Beyond what's necessary for safety the rule mongers should just go f themselves.

    4. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by DanDD · · Score: 2

      I failed to address lots of specifics - specifics which need to be addressed to keep from risking lives.

      Crop dusters fly around at low altitudes all over this country, as do many other GA and commercial aircraft, and they are all within their legal right to do so. A few weeks ago I encountered a couple of NASA aircraft operating around 200 AGL while taking air samples. One of those aircraft was a P3 Orion.

      Few people realize what a complex task it is to integrate into the nations existing aviation infrastructure. It is a complex engineered system and it needs to be dealt with carefully.

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    5. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by damm0 · · Score: 2

      Historic precedent with airplanes would show this is not the case.

      Companies incentivized to fly as often as they can have sacrificed airplane maintenance and pilot capability so that they can increase their profit. There are reasons that there are substantial limitations that commercial companies who want to fly for profit must meet.

      With drones you'll see this as carring payloads barely within its capability envelope, drones flown hazardously above crowds, drones carrying hazardous materials, pilots without any understanding of human-carrying aviation airspace, etc. I could add a dozen more reasons why being paid makes things more dangerous.

    6. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Informative

      Helicopters frequently fly at 300 ft. And I think a drone is more of a hazard to a helicopter than an airplane.

      Quite true...

      The thing is, most of the drones that you are likely to be flying aren't THAT much of a hazard to the helicopter...

      I've knocked down some pretty large birds with my helicopter before, some of the better helicopters can chop down small trees with their blades (UH-1 is a good example).

      The RC drones that are sold for $300 on eBay? Those aren't really the threat... the bigger issue is commercial drones costing thousands of dollars and able to fly for hundreds of miles. Those are real aircraft and yes, THOSE would bring down a helicopter... or a light airplane...

      And yes, the issues involved in having them fly in the national airspace system are more complex than a few sentences on SlashDot will ever cover.

    7. Re:For safe integration with existing air traffic by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      Why is commercial vs non-commercial even an issue? So that the FAA can make more money?

      No, it is so that people like you, who don't know what you're talking about, can come onto Slashdot and spout off about it. :)

      There is the pilot's requirements, a private pilot certificate vs. a commercial pilot certificate, then there is the operation itself, it could be a Part 91 operation, or a Part 135 operation.

      Each has various levels of oversight required to enhance safety, from maintenance of the aircraft to how often the pilot needs a medical exam.

      As for money, the FAA doesn't charge a dime for its services, obtaining a Part 135 certificate doesn't cost anything other than the time to go through the process. They do this specifically to avoid the appearance of accepting money to provide services.

  2. Technology leadership stifled by regulation by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The United States is (or has been) the world leader in many areas of technology, such as computers, Internet, space exploration, and medicine. This happened in part because the government stayed out of the way, at least in the early phases of development. When it starts to clamp down too quickly, that innovation can be stifled, and move to other countries. We are seeing this happen particularly in medicine. Apparently, we aren't all that interested in being the leaders in drone development...at least, other than for purposes of war.

  3. They only mean "navigable" airspace, correct? by scorp1us · · Score: 2

    FAA only has jurisdiction over navigable and restricted airspace. Which means that unless you are in restricted airspace, up to 500 ft is still faie game. 500ft is the limit on kites.

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  4. Re:They only mean "navigable" airspace, correct? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, the term "restricted airspace" isn't really the right term.

    The terms you're looking for are "controlled" and "uncontrolled" airspace.

    There are some places where controlled airspace goes all the way to the surface. Take off in a helicopter and go up 50 feet and you're in controlled airspace.

    Other places, mostly out west in the mountains, sometimes controlled airspace doesn't start until 10,000 feet MSL, but those are rare outside of the Rockies.

  5. Re:Can I buy an editor? by passwd · · Score: 2

    Don't be silly, some commas are out of place but it's understandable.

    The story sounds familiar â" while the use of unmanned, sometimes illegally, is increasing, there are myriad challenges to ultimately allow them safe access to national airspace. The watchdogs at the Government Accountability Office issued report on the integration of unmanned aerial systems as it calls them, in US national airspace (NAS) today ahead of a congressional hearing on the topic. As it has noted in past reports, the GAO said the main issues continue to include the ability for drones to avoid other aircraft in the sky; what backup network is available and how should the system behave if it loses its communications link.

    becomes

    While the use of unmanned drones, sometimes illegally, is increasing, there are several challenges to overcome before they can safely access US airspace. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued report on the integration of unmanned drones in US airspace today ahead of a congressional hearing on the topic. As the GAO noted in previously, the main issues continue to be: the ability for drones to avoid other aircraft in the sky; what backup network is available; and how should the system behave if it loses its communications link.

    Simple!

  6. Re:So what you mean is... by DanDD · · Score: 2

    Lose a friend or a family member in an airplane crash and you'll be a dick too.

    The point isn't to 'own' the skies - it's to share as broadly and as safely as possible.

    Just because you can afford to buy or operate some new tech toy doesn't mean you automatically have the right to go barging in to a complex engineered system without training and some reasonable adherence to regulations.

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  7. Re:Can I buy an editor? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

    "unmanned drones" doesn't make sense. A drone is an unmanned aerial vehicule (UAV) by definition, hence an unmanned drone is a pleonasm.

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  8. Re:They only mean "navigable" airspace, correct? by Drethon · · Score: 2

    I don't think the GP is nitpicking the use of "navigable" but the use of "restricted". See the below link, restricted airspace means an area where general aviation is not allowed to enter (ex flying over the white house is permanent restricted airspace). Controlled airspace is the airspace around an airport which according to the FAA Advisory Circular is when a model aircraft operator must notify the control tower (note the circular does not say you cannot fly there, just that you must work with the control tower).

    Interestingly the FPV article in wikipedia appears to be wrong, which scares me slightly as some people take that for bible. That article states you must be under 400 ft when in controlled airspace. However when I read the FAA Advisory Circular it appears to state you must always operate under 400 ft, in addition you must contact the tower when 3 miles from an airport (as in controlled airspace). But I could be misunderstanding something.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

  9. What seems to be missing from the comments... by w3woody · · Score: 2

    What people seem to be missing in all of the comments above is that Amazon and Google are investigating not just using unmanned arial vehicles, but they are also investigating using computer-controlled unmanned arial vehicles: that is, arial vehicles that are not flown with a human operator. So questions about "line of sight" or the nature of the license a human operator holds ignores the whole point of their research.

    Beyond this, in order for a company like Amazon to make drone deliveries profitable, we're not talking about a handful of these devices. We're talking about a whole swarm of them making tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of trips a day in a congested area like Los Angeles, in and around the congested class B airspace of LAX, around the congested class C airspace around Burbank, Ontario and John Wayne, by helicopter traffic carrying police, news reporters and tourists, by student pilot traffic out in the San Fernando Valley.

    (If a UPS driver makes 100 deliveries a day, as an article I recently read suggested, and assuming an out and back from a warehouse in El Monte takes on average an hour--half an hour each way--and assuming drone deliveries are handled during the same 10 hour window UPS driver operate--this implies it would take around 10 drones to replace that one driver, each making 10 deliveries a day. Multiply this by (as a guesstimate) 1,000 drivers in the Los Angeles area, and you're talking about 10,000 automated pilotless drones swarming the LA skies.)