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Airbus Attacked By French Lawmaker For Talking To SpaceX

schwit1 (797399) writes A French lawmaker lashed out at Airbus for daring to consider SpaceX as a possible launch option for a European communications satellite. "The senator, Alain Gournac, who is a veteran member of the French Parliamentary Space Group, said he had written French Economy and Industry Minister Emmanuel Macron to protest Airbus' negotiations with Hawthorne, California-based Space Exploration Technologies Corp. for a late 2016 launch instead of contracting for a launch on a European Ariane 5 rocket. "The negotiations are all the more unacceptable given that, at the insistence of France, Europe has decided to adopt a policy of 'European preference' for its government launches," Gournac said. "This is called playing against your team, and it smacks of a provocation. It's an incredible situation that might lead customers to think we no longer have faith in Ariane 5 — and tomorrow, Ariane 6."

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  1. French politicians.... by jaredm1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they had to run a company they'd run it into the ground instead of towards success. That's why they're politicians. Airbus, not the most efficient of global corporations, can remain a profitable concern only by making rational commercial decisions. If that means negotiating with a non-European supplier then the good French senator Alain Gournac ought to find out why Ariane 5 (or 6) were deficient and figure out how to make them competitive. But that would require the Monsieur Gournac to pull his thumb outta his ass and do some real work. Non, pas acceptable!

    1. Re:French politicians.... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, France's public transport system, for example is an example of the sort of failure that we, for instance in the UK, shudder at.

      Cheap fares, efficient operation, a boon to the country and its people.

      Ours in the UK, meanwhile engages in double-dipping (making shareholder profits while receiving public subsidy), has terrible roling stock and fucking high ticket prices that rise regardless of the economics of the country, all along with local monopolies(!!!!)

      Those bloody French socialists and their incompetence!

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    2. Re:French politicians.... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3

      Also (I know, going for the jugular a bit here) do you want me to talk about Comcast? Cos I can talk about Comcast.

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  2. Heh by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The summary neglects to mention that Airbus is also the prime contractor on the sameself Ariane 5 they're snubbing.

  3. Re:who cares? by Guppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    an idiotic remark that is inconsequential to anything.

    Is it? I'm really surprised that Airbus had the chutzpah (or political naivete).

    You see, Airbus gets quite a bit of help from the governments of Europe -- subsidies, contracts; I wouldn't be surprised if they had a major hand in the mergers that formed the company in the first place. Most likely, the lawmaker is thinking of Airbus as being little different from some wayward administrative division in his own bureaucracy, now in need of a rebuke for not supporting the government's agenda.

  4. Re:So it is official. by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uhhh, you realise that Ariane 5 has launched many many many missions successfully, and has a better reliability record than the US's launch vehicles, right?

    SpaceX is in fact the untested upstart in this situation.

  5. Re:So it is official. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, France (through Arianespace) actually IS the world leader in commercial space flight. At about the same level as Russia, depending on the metrics you use. The US are actually far behind.

  6. Re:Surrender to SpaceX, France by r1348 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, give another go at history. The British army was the homeland army in the US and the actual resident armed force. Yours was a secession war that effectively created your national identity (or officialized it, depends on the point of view). The only real foreign attack you had on your soil was Pearl Harbor, and that wasn't an invasion.

  7. Re:Surrender to SpaceX, France by David_Hart · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uh, give another go at history. The British army was the homeland army in the US and the actual resident armed force. Yours was a secession war that effectively created your national identity (or officialized it, depends on the point of view). The only real foreign attack you had on your soil was Pearl Harbor, and that wasn't an invasion.

    There was this war in 1812 when the British and a bunch of natives from Canada burned down the White house. During the war the US did have enemy soldiers on US soil. But that war ended in a stalemate. One of the things that did happen, though, is that the US was discouraged from further attacks on Canada and it paved the way for Canada to become an independent nation while keeping British ties.

  8. Re:What happens when the government owns everythin by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Except that Airbus is not government owned and it's no more subsidized than any other aerospace firm.

    It would be more accurate to say that a French politician is complaining that the French subsidiary of a Dutch multinational corporation is choosing an American launch vehicle instead of one offered by the German subsidiary of that very same Dutch multinational corporation.

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  9. Re: So it is official. by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually no. If you look at same time periods, america has a much better record than Europe. However, you are right that over the last 10 years, Europe has had more private launches. But spacex has been 100% successful with the 13 f9, and is on track to do more than 15 launches next year.

    so u can pretend that spacex is not a threat, but the launch world sees it correctly for what it is. More so, come next week.

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