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In Breakthrough, US and Cuba To Resume Diplomatic Relations

HughPickens.com writes: Peter Baker reports at the NYT that in a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, the United States will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and open an embassy in Havana for the first time in more than a half-century. In addition, the United States will ease restrictions on remittances, travel and banking relations, and Cuba will release 53 Cuban prisoners identified as political prisoners by the United States government. Although the decades-old American embargo on Cuba will remain in place for now, the administration signaled that it would welcome a move by Congress to ease or lift it should lawmakers choose to. "We cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It does not serve America's interests, or the Cuban people, to try to push Cuba toward collapse. We know from hard-learned experience that it is better to encourage and support reform than to impose policies that will render a country a failed state," said the White House in a written statement. "The United States is taking historic steps to chart a new course in our relations with Cuba and to further engage and empower the Cuban people."

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  1. About Fucking Time by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Long overdue. Time for cigars and mojitos all around!

    1. Re:About Fucking Time by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For years, the only thing this served was to try to get votes in Florida. And even then, I do not know how much good that did.

      Either Obama has written off the Cuban vote in Miami or he has decided to concede FLA to the GOP. Either way, Obama has finally done something right.

      Opening up relations with Cuba makes too much financial sense for pride or antiquated ideas of anticommunism to get in the way.

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    2. Re:About Fucking Time by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is not losing that many votes. These Cuban Americans are captive to GOP. High time Democrats stop pursuing the vote they are never going to get. Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

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    3. Re:About Fucking Time by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Might as well play to the base and show America what happens if both parties start appeasing their base.

      The vast majority of Americans that aren't partisan asshats get whacked in the head every 2/4/6 years as pendulum swings back and forth?

      Hooray for Gerrymandering and first past the post!

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    4. Re:About Fucking Time by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, at this point, with two years left in his term as a lame duck, he cares about the votes he'll get because .... why?

    5. Re:About Fucking Time by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cuban cigars are desired because they're good.

      I used to smoke cigars, and I live in a country where you can readily buy Cuban ones. They're not illegal for me, but they were damned fine cigars ... much much better than some of the other countries.

      And, real Cuban rum ... also tasty stuff, and something they're quite good at making. In Cuba, it's affectionately called "Vitamin R".

      Maybe to Americans they're better because they're illegal. But to the rest of the world they're better because they're better.

      Cuba has pretty much an awesome climate for growing both tobacco and sugar cane.

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    6. Re:About Fucking Time by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FInally?
      Everything is better by any measure.
      To quote Chris Rock:
      Only President Obama could get gas to $2.50, end 2 wars, get bin Laden, bring unemployment below 8%, then be told he's failing as president.

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    7. Re:About Fucking Time by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt the US administration "realized" anything.

      Very likely a conglomerate of US companies sees business opportunities and is pulling strings behind the scene.

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    8. Re:About Fucking Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just another scheme to put pressure on Cuba's traditional friend - Russia. US is hitting just about everyone friendly to Russia nowdays: Siria, Ukraine, ... Cuba. It's all about isolating/weakening Russia with goal of securing Russia's wealth of natural resources for greedy US corporations. Make no mistake, this is about nothing less than money and power, and has nothing to do with the fact that it may be long overdue.

    9. Re:About Fucking Time by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I doubt the US administration "realized" anything.

      Very likely a conglomerate of US companies sees business opportunities and is pulling strings behind the scene.

      Pretty much every business in the US has wanted to reopen trade with Cuba since the day after the US Closed it. They've been tugging on those strings for a long time with no luck.

    10. Re:About Fucking Time by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Cuban cigars are desired because they're good.

      [citation needed]. Outside of the 'neat' factor of buying a cuban cigar, there are equally good makers in other countries.

      How about the fact that the primary magazine dedicated to cigars has an entire wing of their site dedicated to Cuba?
      http://www.cigaraficionado.com...

      Go check out their reviews...Most of the top reviewed were either made in Cuba, or by Cubans in exile in the US. Clearly they're doing something right.

    11. Re:About Fucking Time by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only reason it took this long is that the last few times castro caused diplomatic incidents.

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    12. Re:About Fucking Time by Morky · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Apparently the 70-90% top marginal tax rate in the 1960s didn't prevent job creation.

    13. Re:About Fucking Time by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While starting completely new ones. Hooray!

      Indeed, Hooray! (I'm glad you get it - so few kneejerk anti-American morons do.) The US is at its best when it is saving innocent people, like Libyans and Yhazdis, from genocide. It returns us to what is best about this country.

      *cough* bullshit *cough*

      Yes indeed! Your quote IS bullshit! I'm glad you noticed! You can't claim a policy failed by arbitrarily changing the yardstick. We've never measured by U6. No time to start now.

      Hooray though, we added 300,000 jobs in the last quarter. The economy did that in most years of the 1960s, when the population of the United States was significantly less than today. Success!

      Yet again, you are completely correct! This is an amazing Success! The economy in the 1960s was aided by the fact that most of the rest of the world was still recovering from WW2, and half of it was under the ideological sway of Communist regimes fundamentally opposed to economic reality. Further, the U.S. had many more controls in place in those days to reduce economic inequality, since people still had a long memory of what Republicans did to cause the Great Depression. Tax rates on corporations in the 1960s reached as high as 90%, with fewer loopholes. This allowed many states to give a free college education to anyone who had the grades to get accepted, no matter what their economic background. All which provided massive demand for U.S. employment.

      Alas, we ended all that. Self-defeating "trickle-down" is now more or less a religion (except Jesus and his miracles can't be actually disproven, like all these bullshit Republican economic theories have), so now we're stuck with people voting in Republicans on grandiose promises that this-time-it'll-work-for-sure, the inevitable economic crash, Democrats voted in to fix it, and then Republicans again to punish the Democrats for fixing the Republican mess, because this-time-it'll-work-for-sure.

    14. Re:About Fucking Time by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If gas was this low under a Republican president I could guarantee you that the party faithful would be giving the president full credit.

      The general rules of thumb are:

      good things happen while our guy is on watch: it's due to his hard work and leadership
      bad things happen while our guy is on watch: caused by previous administration's policies
      good things happen while the other guy is on watch: caused by an earlier administration's policies
      bad things happen while the other guy is on watch: worst president of all time!

  2. I wonder if... by Rone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if it's any accident that this happened AFTER the mid-term elections, but well before the 2016 presidential election season really gets underway...

    (You think Christmas comes early? Hah!)

    Cuban exiles are a big voting block in a big battleground state, but obviously somebody decided to risk kicking this hornets' nest now in the hopes that the furor will die down by 2016.

    1. Re:I wonder if... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cuban exiles are a big voting block in a big battleground state, , but obviously somebody decided to risk kicking this hornets' nest ...

      The Cuban Exiles have never voted Democrat / Liberal, and have always been rabid right-wingers politically. I lived in Miami for a few years and learned that although certainly not a majority on the area, they are very vocal locally.

      These people would never vote Democrat anyway, so they are not Obama's audience.

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  3. a riveting diplomatic exchange no doubt.. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    US Government: hey cuba, since most of our refugees over 60 that remember why we shitlisted you are either dead or accidentally disenfranchised after the latest voter registration law, wanna kiss and make up?
    Cuban Government: *sigh* sure. russia quit returning our phonecalls about 20 years ago anyway. Hey thanks for not making a huge deal out of castros death
    US Government: yeah no problem. thanks for letting us run a torture prison in your country without complaining about it
    Cuban Government: yeah.....that.....

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    1. Re:a riveting diplomatic exchange no doubt.. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, he got succeeded by his brother. Wonder what is it about Commie countries nowadays? They started off by overthrowing monarchies wherever they could find them - Russia, Egypt, Libya, and so on. Nowadays, every surviving Communist country has de facto dynasties - North Korea, Cuba, Syria. If only the Romanovs had known and maneuvered to take over the Communist party, they may have saved themselves from getting massacred.

      George H. W. Bush, George Bush, and now Jeb Bush trying for the job. No de facto dynasty there :-)

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  4. Re:Failed state policies by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Cuban people survived 55 years of near total trade embargo, with universal healthcare intact, and no one starving in the streets.

    A definite failure if I ever heard of one.

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  5. Re:I actually agree with this decision; but by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When the whole rest of the world wants sanctions, as with South Africa, they may be useful. When the whole rest of the world trades with Cuba and we don't, we're just shooting ourselves in the foot. Also, the South African government was far more malleable because it was elected by white citizens who suffered from sanctions -- the Cuban government is not elected by anyone who can be hurt by sanctions.

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  6. It's just capitalism moving slower than usual by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Informative

    We found useful amounts of oil off the Cuban coast not terribly long ago. It just took this long for the oil companies in this country to put enough pressure on the US government to move towards "normal" relations.

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  7. Re:Failed state policies by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, it's the Platt Amendment (the one which allows Guantanamo) and the American embargo which has made Cuba a failed state.

    You seem to know nothing at all about Cuba.

    America has been fucking with Cuba for over 100 years, and seldom to the benefit of the Cubans.

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  8. Crap by XB-70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that the wonderful Cuban people desperately need medicine, goods and services that are in deplorably short supply.

    The curse is that a small few are about to make huge profits on land and state enterprises. I don't care how the laws will be worded, any time you have a major economic shift like this, opportunists will take incredible advantage of the situation.

    The other curse is that Western 'culture' - McDonald's, Burger King, Coke and Pepsi will invade. They will do tremendous harm to the health of the average Cuban.

    Lastly, the wonderful beaches and hotels will be overrun. Cuba is so close to the U.S. that development will explode and tourism will skyrocket. The 'pristine' aspect of Cuba will quickly disappear in a morass of tawdry tourist traps.

    Adios Cuba viejo y bienvenido al futuro.

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  9. Re:Failed state policies by radio4fan · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's exactly one fact that actually counts about Cuba's "universal healthcare": When Comrade Fidel gets a cold, the doctors that treat him are flown in from Spain via charter jet.

    Here are some other facts that actually count:

    CIA World Factbook Infant mortality rates:

    Cuba: 4.76 / 1000 live births
    USA: 5.2 / 1000 live births

    The rest is a bunch of empty Michael Moore fapping.

    CIA being a well-known source of Michael Moore types.

    How about life expectancy?

    Life expectancy at birth (years), UN World Population Prospects 2010:

    Cuba: 78.50 (rank 37)
    USA: 77.97 (rank 40)

    World Health Organization has USA ranked 34 and Cuba 36, FWIW. Close in any case.

  10. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by careysub · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's look at an "evil government" index to determine the "evilness" of Cuba among authoritarian regimes. A good one is the Democracy Index put out by the Conservative economics journal "The Economist".

    Cuba ranks at 124, which puts it in the top 20% of authoritarian regimes, so 80% of them are "more evil". We certainly don't do any business with those 80% do we? Near the bottom of that list is our old friend Saudi Arabia, a regime we absolutely should not support right? Others in the "evil 80%" are Nigeria, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Tunisia, China, Qatar, Oman, Vietnam, and the UAE. No way we do we have diplomatic relations, do any business, or offer any support to any of those guys!

    Of course six of these Evil Nations have oil, which makes everything good, correct? Well, it turns out that Cuba has useful offshore oil as well, so geology automatically promotes them to Tolerable Oil Nation, even if their much higher democracy ranking does not.

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  11. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by preaction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pushing Germany to collapse after WW1 was an incredible success! We need more successes like that!

  12. Re:Why not push toward collapse? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you mean? The country was then conquered within months by us. Saddam Hussein himself was then captured, tried publicly, and executed deservingly.

    My god, are you that delusional?

    You toppled a government, but you sure as hell didn't "conquer" them.

    You barely got out of there with your asses intact, and every single justification for going in there in the first place was provably false before anybody got sent in. Oh, and your inept fumbling about led to the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians -- far far more than were killed in 9/11.

    The entire reason for being in Iraq the second time was a colossal lie perpetuated by a chimpanzee of a president trying to finish what daddy started.

    You were in the wrong fucking country, because Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11. And now you've left a giant power vacuum which has destabilized the entire region.

    Being in Iraq was such an epic failure that only people who can call it a success were the private companies who made huge profits, and the lying bastards who got you in there in the first place.

    If you think that's a template for how to fix the worlds problems ... the world doesn't want any more of your "help".

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  13. Re:Failed state policies by nbauman · · Score: 4, Informative

    In addition, American doctors toured the Cuban health care system and published their results in the New England Journal of Medicine. Cuba has one of the best medical schools in Latin America. The Swedes helped them set it up. As a result they have a major modern biotechnology industry that discovered and manufactures some vaccines that are used worldwide.

  14. Re:Failed state policies by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cuba's failures have nothing to do with Cuba seizing and redistributing the property of its people.

    The property which was seized was mostly owned by foreign countries, and benefited the existing dictatorship of Bautista -- who was a brutal bastard, but friendly to the US so America was fine with it. America only objects to dictators who dislike them.

    When Baustista was in power, the average Cuban worker was pretty much a serf, and all of the economy benefited only a few.

    I'm glad you are keeping up with the DNC memo's and talking points.

    You're a drooling idiot.

    I'm not an American, and I have no idea of what the DNCs talking points are on this. But your childish little hamster brain apparently needs to make this a Republican v Democrat issue, so you're only capable of seeing thatg.

    I've been to Cuba a bunch of times. I've read books my Castro and Che, as well as the history of how the Platt Amendment came to be foisted on Cuba despite their not wanting it. I've also read about the history from non-Cuban sources so try to see the whole picture.

    The vast majority of Americans really have no clue about Cuban history. They boil it down to about a 10 year period, and then haven't bothered to learn anything which happened before or since. Cuba and Casto are just the bogeymen to get yourselves worked up about.

    So, it's tragic you're so ill informed and are tied to whatever idiotic talking points you're repeating.

    Because clearly don't know a damned thing about it you haven't been spoon fed.

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  15. Re:Failed state policies by nbauman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, and that infant mortality statistic is complete B.S. In Cuba, they just let the premature babies die and it never counts as a live birth to mess up the statistics. In the U.S. they bend over backwards to save babies but since they aren't always successful, the statistics get skewed.

    Proof: http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    Nothing in that article says that Cuba measures its infant mortality differently than the WHO standard, or even mentions Cuba.

    So the fact remains that the Cuban infant mortality rate is lower than the U.S., by any standard measurement.

    The main reason for that is the lack of access to health care, and health care doesn't do much good without access to nutrition, housing and basic living standards, which the poor don't have in the U.S. That's why we have so many premature infants. True, it's not just Cuba's health care system, it's also their nutrition programs. I concede that the poor in the U.S. have worse nutrition too, which contributes to their higher infant mortality.

    Every honest doctor who follows international health statistics knows this, in contrast to guys like Scott Atlas who cherry-picks his statistics and publishes them in the National Review.

    Let me know when you find something in a peer-reviewed journal that says Cuba's infant mortality statistics use definitions that distort them to make them better. I'm not holding my breath. There was an exchange of letters about this in Science, and the anti-Castro people couldn't come up with anything, so I don't think you will.