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Hackers' Shutdown of 'The Interview' Confirms Coding Is a Superpower

theodp writes: The idea of programming as a superpower was touched upon by CS teacher Alfred Thompson back in 2010, but it became a rallying call of sorts for the Hour of Code after Dropbox CEO Drew Houston described coding as "the closest thing we have to a superpower" in a Code.org video that went viral. And if the kids who learned to code with the President last week were dubious about the power of coding, this week's decision by Sony to scrap the release of the satirical film The Interview after a massive hack attack should put aside any doubts, especially after new revelations that Sony had reached out to the White House for help and screened the film for administration officials back in June. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday that the Obama Administration is viewing the Sony attack as a "serious national security matter" and is considering a range of possible options as a response, which could turn things into a contest of U.S. Superpower vs. Coding Superpower. In case it wasn't mentioned last week, remember to always use your coding superpower for good, kids!

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  1. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Coding" had nothing to do with theaters dropping the movie. What made them drop the movie was a terrorist threat that spoked a bunch of bean counters.

    1. Re:Huh? by buchner.johannes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anytime you are afraid, the terrorists win.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Informative

      The threat that stopped the movie from being released was the claim of blowing up theaters. Why would the theater chains who backed out care about Sony's data being leaked?

    3. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Without coding, the movies and data wouldn't have been copied.

      And without coding, man would never have walked on the moon. Therefore, Neil Armstrong was a computer programmer.
      You know, one of the reasons hackers get bothered when people who break into computers get called "hackers" is because it implies the crackers can code. It's why the phrase "script kiddie" was invented. Breaking into a computer doesn't require coding, and doesn't imply coding.
      The idea of North Korean computer programmers reminds me of Elbonia.

    4. Re:Huh? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Coding" had nothing to do with theaters dropping the movie. What made them drop the movie was a terrorist threat that spoked a bunch of bean counters.

      And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the bean counters had also been the ones that nixed proper security procedures within Sony.

      Because IT Doesn't Matter. What matters is getting the Low Price Always.

    5. Re:Huh? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since this is Slashdot, let me explain it with cars.

      The people who write malware from scratch are programmers. It's the same as engineers creating and designing new cars.

      The people who create malware variations with a pre-made tool are not programmers. It's the same as mechanics, people who do engine tuning.

      The people who use malware are script kiddies. It's the same as people driving at reckless speeds in your neighbourhood streets.

    6. Re:Huh? by rednip · · Score: 2

      The most effective political weapon is fear most ads tell you to fear the other guy more than anything else, it's also great for keeping people watching/reading the news, plus fear makes most pay taxes and stop at red lights. I'd say that those who that use broken logic of revenge and racism keep terrorism in business as much as anything.

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    7. Re:Huh? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      Coding also had nothing to do with hacking. You can learn code all day long the rest of your life, and never learn one thing about exploiting remote systems.

      Spear phishing is often in insert vector, and has nothing to do with code whatsoever.

      And at the moment, code may be the superpower that everyone has access to. Meaning its not super, and will soon be not even power.

      If a horse could take a shit directly into the intertubes, this summary would be indistinguishable

    8. Re:Huh? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      The idea of North Korean computer programmers reminds me of Elbonia.

      North Korea has built compact nuclear warheads, put satellites in orbit, and (because of sanctions) independently developed a number of technologies. They would not have been able to do those things if they couldn't program.

      Instead of just slurping up the propaganda that your government is spoon feeding you, learn to think for yourself. Go to Google Maps, zoom in on North Korea, and then click on "Earth". You will see paved roads with cars on them, farms with tractors, houses not much smaller than in the South, etc. North Korea is a poor and backwards country, but not nearly to the degree that you have been told. Until around 1970, it was wealthier, per capita, than South Korea.

    9. Re:Huh? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anytime you are afraid, the terrorists win.

      The politicians too. ("Vote for me because my opponent will cave to the terrorists and DESTROY AMERICA!!!")

      Also some manufacturers. ("Senator X, deploy our Ultra-Cool-Sounding-But-Ultimately-Ineffective at all TSA check points. It'll give billions to us, the illusion of security to America, and a cushy job for you once you retire from the Senate.")

      And the power hungry segments of law enforcement organizations. ("We need to be able to raid homes without warrants because TERRORISM!!!")

      The public are the big losers when we get afraid thanks to terrorist threats (real or imagined in order to scare us into submission).

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    10. Re:Huh? by leonardluen · · Score: 2

      The people who use malware are script kiddies.

      i thought the people that use malware were called our relatives, whom then call us to fix their computers...

    11. Re:Huh? by davester666 · · Score: 2

      It's what the US has been living off since 9/11. They so completely surrendered to fear, it is utterly ridiculous.

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    12. Re:Huh? by rednip · · Score: 2

      Since 9/11? Google 'McCarthyism', then 'yellow journalism', you should recognize that fear has always been a primary driver of human existence.

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    13. Re:Huh? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      "During the time when the former USSR could afford to pump money into it, North Korea was doing pretty well".

      The USSR didn't end in 1970. Besides, NK was not "doing well" then compared to now. There economy has continued to grow, and they are doing better economically than many other Asian countries, and better than most African countries. It is only compared to the spectacular growth of South Korea, that NK looks shabby.

      The USSR never considered NK to be a reliable ally, and after 1953, gave them very little aid. Kim Il Sung (grandfather of the current ruler) had served as an officer in the Soviet Red Army, and spoke fluent Russian. But he didn't trust the Soviets, and they didn't trust him. He launched the Korean War in 1950 after the Soviets told him not to. They were trying to consolidate their gains in Europe, and rebuild from WW2. The last thing they wanted was a bloody and expensive war in Asia. During the Korean War, China helped NK way more than the Soviets did. After the war, rather than showing gratitude to his allies, Kim Il Sung purged the NK government of anyone suspected of leaning toward either Russia or China. Korea is not called the "Hermit Kingdom" for nothing.

  2. Re:hyperbole much? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. Sony was going to press forward with the release regardless of the intrusion. What shutdown the movie was the pastebin threat that caused a bunch of theater chains to shit themselves.

  3. What the fuck by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck does emailing a vague and rambling threat of violence have to do with coding and superpowers?

    1. Re:What the fuck by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing. This is just unadulterated clickbait.

    2. Re:What the fuck by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Why don't these almighty coders stop the terror threat so we can watch the damn movie!

    3. Re:What the fuck by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      This is Slashdot, submitters should know by now that nobody actually clicks the article links.

  4. Re:North Korea has proved something. by MacDork · · Score: 2

    Like how Iran hacked and downed a military drone in their territory?

  5. Superpower by Translation+Error · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was threats of violence that canceled the movie. Saying coding had anything to do with it is like saying you should be able to patent something that people have been doing for ages, because your implementation is 'on the internet'.

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  6. It wasn't the hacking that shut the movie down by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...it was the legal liability incurred by Sony after the "hackers" threatened actual physical attacks on movie theaters. Sony simply couldn't afford the legal and financial risk that even one theater might be bombed or attacked. The hacking part of it had no bearing on that.

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  7. So, let me get this straight: by Hartree · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By this thinking, wouldn't threatening to plant a bomb would be a superpower?

    1. Re:So, let me get this straight: by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      And posting to pastebin is now "coding" apparently.

  8. Re:Screw them by kheldan · · Score: 2

    They could take the loss on it and release it to the general public via bittorrent, more or less guaranteeing that it gets as widely distributed as possible.

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  9. Re:Screw them by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have pigs sprouted wings and started flying in your universe?

  10. Re:North Korea has proved something. by Rich0 · · Score: 2

    Like how Iran hacked and downed a military drone in their territory?

    Sure, if you buy it. Just think about what it would take to actually do what they claimed - perform a controlled landing of an enemy drone controlled by encrypted satellite connection. I could buy jamming or maybe even gps spoofing (though military gps units can authenticate gps signals). I could buy some kind of EMP attack that disabled it. A controlled landing implies fairly complete access over the drone.

  11. Re:Screw them by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    And that isn't really an option either. Sony lost lots of HR and other PII data. If you work at Sony pictures there is a good chance the "GOP" knows where you live.

    If Sony releases it at all and there any attack on its own employees they might also open themselves up to lawsuits for negligence. To say nothing of the fact that they might loose their best talent due to people being afraid working their makes them a target.

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  12. Re:Screw them by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Why the hell shouldn't they in this case? As others have said no theatre is going to carry it for fear of being attacked, and releasing it to the public anyway would send a clear message that they/we aren't going to be bullied. They and everyone involved with the movie would be regarded as heroes.

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  13. Define "Good" by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Telling people to use coding for "good" is a very subjective matter. Exposing corruption is a "good" thing, and when law enforcement and Government agencies ignore corruption or become complicit in the corruption, dumping this information to the public is one of few viable options.

    Reading the summary (nope, I refused to follow these links) indicates that "good" from their perspective is maintaining the status quo and allowing the corruption to continue unchecked.

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  14. Re:North Korea has proved something. by mlts · · Score: 2

    Hacking something on the Internet is one thing. Compromising SIPRNet or NIPRNet... completely different.

    I wonder when businesses will stop trying to put band-aids on this problem and actually build a WAN between themselves that isn't the Internet, nor is connected to the Internet directly. It wasn't that long ago when the Internet wasn't the only WAN (DECNet anyone.) Maybe it is time for businesses to start getting leased lines, laying fiber, and creating networks that are well separated. For smaller businesses, ISPs could offer connections not just to the Internet, but to the business WAN, with ACL rules in place so if machines are not arranged to communicate with each other, they can't.

    Again, this isn't a 100% measure... but it sure ups the ante to requiring physical access, especially if endpoints encrypt all traffic between each other.

    As for malware, a decent IDS/IPS would have stopped those attacks cold. Some SANs (NetApp for one) can offer tools to look at logical drives and scan off-box for the bad stuff.

  15. Re:Screw them by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

    Are you new to planet earth and the way the movie companies work?

  16. Publicity stunt by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looked like a middling movie, but now it's the most talked about picture of the year. I bet they'll clean up on DVD sales.

    And superpowers? You act like breaking into somebody's computers, copying their private shit, then making bomb threats is something inspiring? No. It's not. It's criminal.

    I am a little conflicted. I still can't say "good job" to people who break into somebody else's computers. Despite Sony trying to break into millions of computers. Sony is one of the most evil corporations on the planet. So it's kind of like get incensed that Sauron's ring got stolen and melted. I mean, it was his ring.

    I'll channel Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka, in the scene where Violet Beauregarde is going to eat the gum that turns her into a blueberry and he mutters quietly to no one in particular, "No. Stop. Don't."

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    1. Re:Publicity stunt by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      It looked like a middling movie, but now it's the most talked about picture of the year. I bet they'll clean up on DVD sales.

      Except that Sony has claimed they will not distribute it in any form.

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  17. national security of communications.... err by penandpaper · · Score: 2

    If only there was a government agency that could secure American communications by ensuring encryption was secure. They could help find and track zero day exploits and notify the company's of said exploits to get them resolved. They could work with industry to help promote secure communications and identify weaknesses. It would be like an agency to promote national secur... Oh, wait...

  18. Is a lame Seth Rogen flick worth dying for? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 2, Insightful
    My question is whether a Hollywood B movie is a cause worth anyone -- our military and diplomatic people, civilians movie goers -- risking their lives?

    I am not saying I have an answer for that.

    This is not a First Amendment question because in this case a corporation that regards themselves in the business of entertaining people has decided that they don't want to risk releasing this movie right now. Yes, they are caving to a threat, but the movie is their property under Copyright to do what they choose, and they choose to not show the movie as of now. They could have just shown the movie, shown the movie but put metal detectors and guards up around the theatres, or maybe even demanded protection from the threat by the government.

    There is a broader embrace of free expression in our society going beyond the First Amendment, and caving against the threat undermines free expression. But there is no law against giving in to blackmail -- there are only laws against taking justice into your own hands in acting against a blackmailer. We only wish, sometimes, that the Westboro Church, the book-burning Florida cleric, and the Egyptian movie-making dude would give in, and this wishing out loud by Administration officials gets pushback regarding First Amendment concerns, but there would be no wrong if those people had caved in light of the threats facing their free expression.

    So (if presumably it was North Korea) threatened violence within our borders, they haven't violated any law because they are not under US law. On the other hand, such a threat could be construed as an act of war, submitting to such a threat diminishes our honor to the extent that free expression is one of our cherished values, and nations have gone to war over questions of honor -- many times. In other words, to cave humiliates us as a nation in our own eyes, which by definition, is a matter of honor.

    Do we want to fight back for our national honor? Does honor, or the principles of honor in this dispute with North Korea rise to the level of risking lives in a war? I am not saying there is a simple answer, but when people say that going to war over "honor" is competely stupid, this example should come to mind. That North Korea effectively has veto power over what is shown for movies in US theatres is a question of honor (we will attack you if you show this movie) -- no one has died (yet), but do we want to live this way? But on the other hand, is a dumb Seth Rogen pic a cause worth dying for?

    1. Re:Is a lame Seth Rogen flick worth dying for? by c · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My question is whether a Hollywood B movie is a cause worth anyone -- our military and diplomatic people, civilians movie goers -- risking their lives?

      I hate to quote celebrities, but George Clooney makes a good point:

      "With the First Amendment, you're never protecting Jefferson; it's usually protecting some guy who's burning a flag or doing something stupid."

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    2. Re:Is a lame Seth Rogen flick worth dying for? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The first amendment only says "Congress shall make no law..." but everybody understands you don't have much freedom of speech if you end up hanging from the nearest tree afterwards. Because the law isn't supposed to shield me from lawful retaliation like a boycott only retaliation that's already illegal you don't need a specific law for that. But everybody realizes that targeted action against those who exercise a particular freedom is trying to encroach on that freedom. Of course the government can just wash their hands and say we weren't the angry mob holding the rope, but it wouldn't be a very good government.

      Any time you refrain from a lawful action because of the risk or threat of illegal action is a failure of the system of law IMHO. If I can't walk through a part of the city at night they're failing to keep the street safe. If they can't show this movie at the cinema without the risk of terrorism they're failing to keep the country safe. At least if it's a genuine risk and not chicken little screaming that the sky is falling, I mean you can't expect them to be everywhere and prevent every crime everyone's trying to commit. And I don't want to sell out all my rights in an attempt to make it so either. There could be a price for not caving but there's a price for caving too, the terrorists don't need to take away your freedoms if your too afraid to use them anyway.

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    3. Re:Is a lame Seth Rogen flick worth dying for? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I wish the First Amendment was just protecting a guy burning a flag. Most times, it seems like it's protecting the Westboro Baptist Church's right to protest (and make themselves look like idiots). I hate those people (and given that I'm Jewish, support gay marriage, love science, and am fairly liberal, the feeling's probably mutual), but as much as I'd love to see them silenced for good, I know the slippery slope that would start.

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  19. Re:State sponsored hack= state terrorism/act of wa by Kierthos · · Score: 3

    And yet, you post anonymously.

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  20. Re:State sponsored hack= state terrorism/act of wa by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because some vague articles and politicos point the finger at North Korea doesn't mean that it's true. I'm not making any assertions about the truth at this point, but we should be careful before jumping to (potentially violent) conclusions based on hearsay.

    http://www.wired.com/2014/12/e...

    "But in their initial public statement, whoever hacked Sony made no mention of North Korea or the film. And in an email sent to Sony by the hackers, found in documents they leaked, there is also no mention of North Korea or the film. The email was sent to Sony executives on Nov. 21, a few days before the hack went public. Addressed to Sony Pictures CEO Michael Lynton, Chairwoman Amy Pascal and other executives, it appears to be an attempt at extortion, not an expression of political outrage or a threat of war."

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  21. Wow by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    This is the stupidest conclusion I've seen in 2014 and I've had the US government and the WHOLE INTERNET aggressively providing strong candidates all year.

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