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Boeing and BlackBerry Making a Self-Destructing Phone

Rambo Tribble writes: It sounds like a Mission: Impossible scenario, but aerospace company Boeing is teaming with Canadian phone maker BlackBerry to produce an ultra-secure mobile phone that "self-destructs." The phone uses encryption on calls and is intended to serve the high-security needs of government and industry. As Blackberry CEO John Chen said, "We're pleased to announce that Boeing is collaborating with BlackBerry to provide a secure mobile solution for Android devices utilizing our BES 12 platform. That, by the way, is all they allow me to say."

No word yet if you'll need the services of the bomb squad when you go over your minutes.

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  1. "But it can be circumvented!" by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    Cue in the comments on how that security feature is not completely perfect, so therefore it has to be completely useless.

    1. Re:"But it can be circumvented!" by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cue in the comments on how that security feature is not completely perfect, so therefore it has to be completely useless.

      You mean like the fact that Boeing already works very closely with the CIA/NSA and therefor this thing is 100% guaranteed to have a government backdoor per-installed AND the purchase of such a phone would automatically put on a watch list that would result in pretty much all of your traffic getting logged anyway?

      Not perfect... more like, this phone likely does exactly the opposite of what it advertises.

    2. Re:"But it can be circumvented!" by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

      I'm more curious how superior this is to using a burner phone.

    3. Re:"But it can be circumvented!" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      this thing is 100% guaranteed to have a government backdoor per-installed AND the purchase of such a phone would automatically put on a watch list

      The target market for this phone is government employees and defense contractors, not drug dealers and terrorists.

    4. Re:"But it can be circumvented!" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Kaboom. It's the earth shattering kaboom.

      Bursting in flames is so 19th Century.

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    5. Re:"But it can be circumvented!" by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It is with BlackBerry. Their cell phones are totally unusable when the keyboard fails. It's a security feature!

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  2. Hints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Entire source code is open source so that it can be audited by independent researchers

    2. It doesn't run anything that talks to any fancy cloud services, which means no Google

    3. Good thing Boeing is in on it. Mentioning a self destructing device in your pocket to TSA could be a bad idea..

    1. Re:Hints by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Maybe it just lets the magic smoke out of the storage and ram chips.

    2. Re:Hints by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      They've been working on it for over 12 years; I wrote the following for my web site in 2002. It will be in an upcoming book. Apologies for the mangled unicode, but slashdot's preview is worthless, since "preview" shows the unicode but the submission displays garbage. Here is the article:

      McCoy: He's dead, Jim
      Several years ago, before PCs were not nearly as com-mon in the home as they are now, a friend of mine asked of my computer, âoebut aren't you afraid it will explode?â
      He was a Star Trek fan, and in the old 1950s and 1960s science fiction and spy shows, computers all had a nasty habit of blowing up. All one had to do to these TV or movie computers to make them explode was shoot them, with either a ray gun or a police revolver. Some TV and movie computers would blow up if you âoepressed the wrong buttonâ; one episode of the 1960s TV show The Prisoner (âoeI am not a number! I am a free man!â) had a computer that could answer any question. The bad guys, who had imprisoned the hero, a spy who had resigned his post, wanted to know why he resigned. Of course, before the bad guys could ask the computer âoeWhy did number six resign his post?â the intrepid number six offered that he had a question the computer could not answer.
      He typed in to the Remington electric typewriter and fed the paper into the computer, which, of course, promptly started smoking, sparking, and ultimately blew up. The question was simply âoewhy?â
      Similarly, in an episode of Star Trek, Spock makes a computer explode by asking it to figure the value of pi to the last decimal place. Of course, any time a Star Trek computer was fired on, whether by a Klingon or Federation phaser, and no matter what civilization designed and built the computer, it would explode in a grand display of fireworks.
      I had to explain to my friend that this was all nonsense, that early computers from the early 1950s used thousands of vacuum tubes, requiring high voltages, which could throw showers of sparks and bright purple flashes with the characteristic âoepop!â if there was a short circuit in its 120-240 volt circuitry but would not actually explode, and that modern computers ran on three to twelve volts and wouldn't even get a spark from a short.
      I had to explain to my friend that the only explosions were in my games; that the computer itself here in the analog world was safe.
      Along with the matter transporter and faster than light travel, the exploding computer was one of those things relegated to science fiction.
      Until now.
      New Scientist reports that they have found a way to make silicon explode on demand, either by shock, as with that .38 caliber police special or by electrical signal.
      âoeThis machine is stolen and will self-destruct in ten seconds.â
      New Scientist says âoeFor instance, the American spy plane impounded by China last year could have used it to destroy its secret electronics systems.â
      They add âoeIn a stolen mobile phone, the network would send a trigger signal to the part of the chip containing the gadolinium nitrate âdetonatorâ(TM), triggering the explosion... and detonate it at will.â
      So not only is Star Trek's computer to blow up, its communicators will too! I can see in five years when these bozos have the anti theft circuits in phones. Drop your phone now and it might break. Drop it in five years and it might take your leg off!
      Of course, the new viruses in ten years will not just reformat your hard drive; the kids will be writing viruses to make people's computers explode in their

    3. Re:Hints by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      lets the magic smoke out of the storage and ram chips

      You had the same electronics theory professor I did!

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  3. Secure & Android by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

    Misnomers?

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  4. Just wondering by lapm · · Score: 1

    This comes with built in NSA backdoor?

  5. Easy Peasy by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

    Just put Sony batteries in them.

  6. Great Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a great idea, actually.

    In fact, I would take it a step further. If a mobile phone you value is stolen, for example, or taken into custody against your will, having it self-destruct upon tampering is one thing. What if not tampering is done, or too many false PIN attempts? Why not also have logic onboard that says "if my master has not used me or texted me a certain code in such a time, I'll self-destruct also". This would prevent someone from holding onto your phone and simply copying the data from it. If your phone is confiscated and you cannot sent a self-destruct signal because it's in a Faraday cage for holding, it will auto destruct in a given time. If you lose your phone, but can locate it via "find my phone" or left it at a friend's flat, and it has a signal, you could text a code to not destruct.

    1. Re:Great Idea by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      or too many false PIN attempts?

      So some joker in your office can destroy your phone in a couple of minutes while you're in the washroom? That's pretty insecure.

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    2. Re:Great Idea by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      I used to work systems security at a bigcorp. If a member of our team walked away with his workstation unlocked, someone would immediately jump on it and change his public status message. The standard was: "Don't worry, I'm insecurity!"

  7. I think Sony got there first by Threni · · Score: 1
  8. High Expectations by TraumaHound · · Score: 3, Funny

    I expect big things, Blackberry have been world leaders in self destruction for the past eight years.

    1. Re:High Expectations by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Dead heat between them and Sony's battery supplier.

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  9. I've had 5 blacberries by maliqua · · Score: 2, Funny

    They've been making self destructing phones for quite some time now.

    But the addition of a feature that allows you to control when and why it self destructs will be a huge improvement.

  10. Great Feature - Fro Blackberry by Phat_Tony · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've gotten a chance to try out a few friends' work-issued Blackberrys in the smartphone era, and I've got to say, a convenient way to destroy the thing entirely sounds like the most useful feature RIM has added in a long time.

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  11. Sounds familiar by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Is this the same phone that was talked about in February?

  12. I think Nokia has them beat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course, it was unintentional.

  13. Destruct as in explode? by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Ought to be easy to do. Israelis figured this out a long time ago.

    Of course there is a downside, if you are holding it and

  14. Boeing and ... by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    Who?

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  15. We should have done this decades ago by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 1

    The self-destruct feature should have been included in every plane, tank, APC, rocket launcher, mortar, rifle, and any other weapons we have been selling to unstable, neurotic dictators in the middle east for decades. Set up to be remotely activated by the U.S., of course. Instead, we have our troops facing down our own weapons.

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    1. Re:We should have done this decades ago by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, they've thought about that. Most modern high performance weapons need maintenance and spare parts. Get on our shit list, no maintenance and no spare parts. It's either us or the Israelis (who somehow manage to manufacture high performance US weapon systems in their entirety).

      Ask the Iranians. Their 'modern' Air Force has lots and lots of hanger queens. They've gone to making model RC planes since that is the best they can do on their own.

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    2. Re:We should have done this decades ago by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 2

      Not all of us are 'proud to be American' this last decade or so.

      For the record, I've never personally profited from any of our government's shenanigans, nor have I ever worked a defense-related or government-generated job. Like most people that I know, I have gained nothing from the government's imperialistic activities except more disdain for them.

      I have actually communicated directly with my congressman and both of my senators in person and via email numerous times about the subject of making so many surplus weapons and selling them to those countries (or anyone, for that matter). I included the remote self-destruct idea in the event of them being used on a tyrant's own people, or against us or any of our allies. It was like talking to a rock (three of them, actually). Apparently, a big sack of money always wins...

      My lifestyle is actually based on designing and manufacturing medical research and surgical/pharmaceutical products which actually benefit people worldwide. The products I design and make are used in genetic research, blood collection and component separation, heart pumps, stent systems, many laproscopic surgery products, and hundreds of various drugs. While the corporations that I work with are in some ways corporate douchebags, much like the 'defense' contractors, they at least contribute to the well-being of the people of the world in the end. How many lives did your work save today? :-)

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  16. police will charge with destruction of evidence by RichMan · · Score: 1

    So the cops pull you over, and as they are now allowed, they start poking around your phone. It clears itself.
    You are going to have some nice vacation time.

  17. What I would like to see by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Is an iPhone case made out of C4, that would detonate whenever the device is placed in Lost Mode. You use Find My Phone to track it when it goes missing, and if you see it floating around in the ghetto, you activate Lost Mode. Kaboom!

  18. God this place has gone downhill by Pope+Hagbard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    30 comments and all but one or two are brain-dead stupid. What happened to the intelligent posters? Slashdot used to be known for having pretty intelligent discussion.

    1. Re:God this place has gone downhill by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Both of them?

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    2. Re:God this place has gone downhill by Pope+Hagbard · · Score: 1

      Pish. We had Jon Katz back in the day.

  19. Who didn't see this coming. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    The phone uses encryption on calls and is intended to serve the high-security needs of government and industry.

    As opposed to the security needs of consumers, which are obviously non-existent. No doubt it will come with a CALEA exemption, because Boeing. (Watch for a one sentence rider inserted into an otherwise totally unrelated bill some time in 2017.) Of course they will be absurdly expensive, but the Citizens who possess them will easily be able to afford them. If you can't pay, you definitely don't deserve security. But you can't have one unless you are on The List anyway. After all, they're CALEA exempt. You must have been background checked, approved, and sponsored before you can get on The List.

    Remember, Service Brings Citizenship! Enlist today!

    Does this sound paranoid? Think about your answer for a second.

  20. Nevermind the circumvention by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

    For almost any use you might have the biggest threat to the security is going to be all the ways that your communications can be compromised while you are actually using it. Baseband exploits, protocol exploits, software vulnerabilities, poor or crippled RNGs, compromised platform or application updates, cloud storage of sensitive information, etc. etc. the list goes on.

    Oh what? It can self destruct? It's probably way too late by then, and assuming it's been compromised the attackers would probably rather you keep the thing. Less work for them!

  21. PHOOM by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 1

    Finally I'll be able to get that o-bomb-a-phone that they're always talkin' 'bout on the talky radio.

  22. But Will The Theme Play? by tmjva · · Score: 1

    So will a voice announce the 5 second warning with the Mission Impossible theme song?

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  23. Maybe a dye pack, too by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    As long as they're giving extra oomph to the CA compliant remote kill switch, perhaps an exploding dye pack, too.

  24. Blackberry experienced in self-destructing by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

    Considering Blackberry has almost self-destructed itself, there is no doubt it is the best qualified company to develop such smartphone.

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  25. that isn't just a self-destructing phone by swschrad · · Score: 1

    it's a self-destructing company!

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  26. The real question. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    The real question isn't will it self-destruct.
    Slashdotters want to know - WILL IT BEND :-)

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  27. Destruct is simple, Fail-Safe design is not. by Senior+Engineer · · Score: 1

    I see this as situational. Does one need to Destroy "Just" the Data or is rendering the device itself- forever/irrecoverably DEAD a pass/fail element? Let's skip that Fail-Safe for Destroy Device aspect for a moment- and go back to Data alone. Consider an app level tool to lower Data In-or-Out risks... with simple Ramdisk tech.. IF that level of security is Good Enough, all we're left with is risk-reward calcs on LN2 attacks in the REAL world.

  28. Boeing and BlackBerry Making a Self-Destructing Ph by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    Hilarious that Boeing would want a self-destructing phone, because a phone that blows up would be the perfect thing to have on an aircraft!

    At least, it will raise the sales of Boeing as airlines replace planes that blow up!

    Just kidding! Obviously the phone won't physically blow up.

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