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Seattle Police Held Hackathon To Redact Footage From Body Cameras

An anonymous reader writes: Hackathons are common these days, but you don't often hear about events hosted by law enforcement. That's what the Seattle Police Department did on Friday, with the solitary goal of finding a good way to redact the video streams taken by police body cameras and dash cameras. Seven different teams demonstrated solutions, but in the end, none thought automation could realistically handle the task in the near future. "The Washington State public records act requires that almost all video filmed by any government agency – including police – be disclosed upon request. The only real exception is for video which is part of an open case currently under investigation. However, various parts of the state code include other restrictions – the identity of minors cannot be disclosed. Requests from victims or witnesses who may be at risk if their identities are disclosed also must be honored. However in all such cases the video still must be released – it is just the faces or other potential identifying characteristics, which might include gender or even a person's gait – which need to be blurred and redacted." The city just started a pilot program for body-worn police cameras.

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  1. Why dashcams? by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dashcams stay on the cruiser which is always in a public space. There is no need to redact that video unless you have something to hide.

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    1. Re:Why dashcams? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's just it - as per the summary, there are some valid things worth redacting from videos. The problem, of course, is that the whole point of body cams was that we can't trust the police, so any means of redacting content which needs redacting will likely be used to redact anything which casts a bad light on the officers.

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    2. Re:Why dashcams? by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's in public space, but not always a good idea to release publicly. For example, if a cop happens to be the first person on the scene of an accident I was involved in, I would prefer if that video is not released, unless it's necessary to a court case. If it were a medical first responder it'd actually be illegal for them to release film of me in that situation, under HIPAA. Cops are exempt from HIPAA, but that doesn't make it a good idea for them to completely ignore privacy of 3rd parties.

    3. Re:Why dashcams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope you get some reading comprehension for Christmas this year.

    4. Re:Why dashcams? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem, of course, is that the whole point of body cams was that we can't trust the police, so any means of redacting content which needs redacting will likely be used to redact anything which casts a bad light on the officers.

      It will be redacted for FOIA requests. But the original video will still be available for other purposes. For instance, if someone sues the police for misconduct, they could subpena the original uncut video. If the police charge someone with a crime, then that defendant's attorney will also have access to the original video.

    5. Re:Why dashcams? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the cops in my town are required to be licensed as medical first responders (one step below emt).
      Also, many times it's not in a public space as it's not uncommon for an officer to enter a private home.
      If dashcams are considered public then instead of sponsoring hackathons they need to change the laws.
      There are many situations where someone calls 911 for medical or other reasons where they would not
      want the content of the call or a video of them to be public. Police officers many times enter
      private residents and might accidently stumble upon situations like someone who fell in the shower,
      opened the door in their bathrobe, someone who had just got raped, or dozens of other situations where
      you just got victimized and are disclosing very personal infomation either over the phone to the 911
      operator or to the police when they arrive that you don't want and don't expect to be public data.
      Police cams should be treated the same way as 911 calls and neither should be public without consent
      of at least one person present at the scene (or their next of kin if they died). Allowing only a single
      consent (instead of everyone present) and allowing next of kin to give that consent should strike a
      good balance between keeping most situations private but still allowing easy access to prevent abuse
      of power to restrict access.

    6. Re:Why dashcams? by nadaou · · Score: 1

      Wycliffe:
      > Police cams should be treated the same way as 911 calls

      bingo

      ShanghaiBill:
      > If the police charge someone with a crime, then that defendant's
      > attorney will also have access to the original video.

      double bingo

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    7. Re:Why dashcams? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

      You are on a public road, and the police show up. You have no right to privacy. It doesn't matter what your preferences are.

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    8. Re:Why dashcams? by nadaou · · Score: 1

      There is no need to [...] unless you have something to hide.

      Now where have I heard that argument before...?

      All the same, dashcams should be mandatory. They protect good cops while catching or putting a check on bad cops, and add an extra POV that neither the cop or the accused had available to them. Bonus witness.

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    9. Re:Why dashcams? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2

      Dash cams don't always stay on. In many departments around Seattle they are only on when the lights are on.

      You always need to redact video.

      Police interview people who might not cooperate if they know that they will be shown snitching on YouTube. Oh, how about when an officer shows up to a scene of domestic abuse, shoud that just go up on YouTube?

      Police often see the public in bad situations. And we don't need to put that stuff up on the we for everyone to see.

      That is why they are working on redaction, not because of some grand conspiracy.

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    10. Re:Why dashcams? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. It does matter what my preferences are, and I do have a right to privacy. The camera footage should and will be redacted.

    11. Re:Why dashcams? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

      You are on a public road. You have no right to privacy. It's the law of the land.

      You can naysay that all you want - but anyone with a camera has the right to film public areas. If you don't want to be filmed - stay on private property.

      Don't hate the messenger... :)

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    12. Re:Why dashcams? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1
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    13. Re:Why dashcams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      if you think for a moment that the redacting process wouldn't be used to hide the police officer's illegal activities you weren't really thinking now were you.

    14. Re:Why dashcams? by icebike · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly,

      The conspiracy theorists have to dial it down a bit.

      The redacting is for faces that must be protected by law, such as children, and witnesses.
      Hardly make sense for the police to release photos of witnesses so that the thugs homeboys can put a hit on them.

      The redaction is Like the redaction on street view, blurring of faces.
      There are also places where the police have no right to film, such as in homes.

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    15. Re:Why dashcams? by icebike · · Score: 1

      So says the professor.

      The Judges don't always agree.
      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...

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    16. Re: Why dashcams? by Senior+Frac · · Score: 1

      The courts have consistently upheld that position, yes. You might have to go through some hassle with that specific officer, however.

    17. Re:Why dashcams? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Dashcams stay on the cruiser which is always in a public space. There is no need to redact that video unless you have something to hide.

      So, just hypothetically speaking, you would be okay with being followed and every single one of your actions recorded and publicly reported 24/7? Because with modern computer vision and ubiquitous cameras, that question is becoming less hypothetical every day. And that, in turn, is quickly turning the entire society into a giant panopticon.

      Look up Finlandization. Hell can take many forms, and none are made better by being forced to smile and pretend everything's okay.

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    18. Re:Why dashcams? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Informative

      seattle's the city that tried to set up a secret police surveillance system (based on MAC addresses) using the free city-wide wifi network, so any inconvenience caused to the police is well deserved. they can kiss my ass.

    19. Re:Why dashcams? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      Yes we do have a serious problem with the police these days. There is far too much nonsense occuring and we need to have vigilant actions to assure cops stay in line. Frankly we are in a very severe bind as dishonest cops threaten the idea of liberty and justice for all of us. The cops are in a near panic mode as they have come up against a wall and are aware that enforcement can no longer prevent social and economic chaos. So the cops are sort of doubling down with outrageous enforcement policies. All the while the politicians are pushing enforcement in order to collect more money from the public. The financially priviliged also push hard for certain types of enforcement while a population getting closer to poverty often resorts to crime to meet basic financial needs. To make matters worse the DOJ does not tend to prosecute powerful or wealthy individuals nor does it make meaningful enforcement against businesses. The Wall St. nightmare as well as the war crimes committed by the Bush administration are stark examples of people in high places being immune from the law.

    20. Re:Why dashcams? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I think the cams should be showing raw footage at all times. Allowing ANY redaction opens the door for abuse. You call the police, you get filmed, that is how its going to be in the 21st Century.

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    21. Re:Why dashcams? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      No it shouldnt. Any redaction process allows for footage to be altered. There should be no redaction at all. Its more important to stop police abuse than it is to protect privacy in this case.

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    22. Re: Why dashcams? by gsogeek · · Score: 1

      An expungement is not always easy to obtain, as in many states it requires a much higher burden of proof (positive finding of innocence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt, for many states) and it doesn't address the issue created when that video/audio recording reveals the private medical history of a person that doesn't give consent and can't be consented for release unless by the person involved or by someone holding a power of attorney over the subject. Let's try a little thought experiment as an example, even if is a bit extreme:

      911 call comes in for a medical distress call. Caller advises that he and his wife/partner/whatever were having a bit of fun in the bedroom and said partner decided to get a little adventurous, and now that cucumber isn't coming out of a place not normally used for the storage of various fruits and vegetables, pre-digestion, at least. Should that unedited call, telling names, addresses, chief complaint, whatever, be released? The way the Ohio law seems to be written as suggested above*, it would be. Let's carry it a step further (and get back to the release of unedited dash/body cam video), and the first responder on the scene, who happens to be a police officer (pretty common in quite a few areas) walks in on the scene to start rendering aid. Would his body cam need to be available in an unedited form to all who ask? Next step in the chain: victim of said "fruiting"** begins telling the officer/first responder of previous medical history, and how the carrot didn't do this last time*** and how it is starting to irritate his irritable bowel syndrome**** . Now, in the strictest sense, PMI***** is on the tape. Should that be released?

      While this is a funny example******, and intended to go off the deep end, remember that laws don't always have room for interpretation on the fly without a court order. Is it acceptable to us, as a society, that we would not make allowances for the mental anguish of a family by releasing un-edited footage of a shooting scene where a small child could see their father in a pool of blood because the store he stopped at on the way home was the scene of an armed robbery gone wrong? How about the pain inflicted to a mother by having to watch the raw video of the police investigating the traffic accident where her teenage son was burned to death in a car being played on every local new channel for the next three days? And finally, is there some furthering of the goals of good governance provided by the release of responder's body cam video of John Q. Public with a cucumber stuck in his bum?

      *I have not read the law in Ohio, so this assumption is based 100% on the AC's statement.
      **Cucumbers have seeds on the inside, therefore technically a fruit, not intended as a social commentary.
      ***Yes, it's getting off the wall, but I had steamed veg with lunch, so deal with it.
      **** Try saying that phrase 3 times fast without laughing. Go ahead, I'll wait
      *****That would be Private Medical Information, as defined in the privacy rule of HIPPA, and in this case, it hasn't been de-identified.
      ******Unless you happen to have been a victim of this, in which case, my apologies and please allow me to introduce you to the crisper box in the refrigerator. Much better place for vegetables

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    23. Re:Why dashcams? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I'd like to disagree. There are things that shouldn't be revealed under FOIA requests. Unfortunately the example of the federal government proves that we cannot trust redation to be applied in a reasonable manner.

      I don't see a good answer.

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    24. Re:Why dashcams? by icebike · · Score: 2

      Cams are as much to stop citizen abuse as they are to stop police abuse.
      In fact, will be born out after a couple years of vest cam usage.

      Also, you may want to rethink your position. When the gunny drives by and peppers your house with automatic weapons fire just because your un-redacted face and voice appeared in a police video you will (too late) realize that you have surrendered the streets to the thugs.

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    25. Re:Why dashcams? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      There should be no redaction at all.

      So when your daughter is raped, and goes to the police, you will have no problem with her full, unredacted, interview going up on Youtube?

    26. Re:Why dashcams? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And we have seen the press cannot be trusted, see how the press doxxed witness 40 or 41 that testified for the officer in the Brown case, considering we just had 2 cops in NYC killed by someone wanting to retaliate for Brown and Garner? A reasonable person would have every reason to believe the press put that witnesses life in danger.

      So while we should always have the unaltered footage accessible by lawyers and grand juries there are legitimate reasons why some things shouldn't be public.

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    27. Re:Why dashcams? by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. We should not be wasting time and money allowing free access to video footage. If someone has a legal claim or suspects police abuse in a specific situation that directly concerns them then there should be a means to obtain it, but it just isn't practical to make all of it available to any yahoo that wants hundreds of hours of footage and has no direct involvement in the filmed activities. Privacy is more important in this case than FOIA in my book and the police do not have the resources to waste redacting footage.

  2. Who will guard the guardians? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    We'd all better become Glassholes really quickly.

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    1. Re:Who will guard the guardians? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Police thuggery and corruption or be a Glasshole, I think I will take the thuggery.

    2. Re:Who will guard the guardians? by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FOIA requests should not apply to police cams or 911 calls. The FOIA has a clear exemption
      for where the privacy of the individual will be violated. Here is a good summary of how the
      FOIA interacts with privacy laws: http://people.howstuffworks.co...

    3. Re:Who will guard the guardians? by CaptQuark · · Score: 2
      The Seattle Police are working to comply with Washington State Public Records Act, not the federal Freedom of Information Act. Just as states have different versions of single-party or all-party recording consent, the Washington State law requires that certain public records be made available upon request, with the restrictions noted in the story. The Seattle Police Department currently has 350+ Terabyes of archived video subject to Public Records requests.

      From the GeekWire article:

      However, Seattle Police officials also admitted that about 90 percent of the video officers create probably needs no redaction at all. That’s because members of the public have no right to expect privacy in their interactions with police, unless they are juveniles or a witness or victim whose safety might be at risk if their identity is known.

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  3. Not just cameras,but a department of police police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The footage should be sent straight to several different server centers across the nation. In these places would be people who are paid to watch police all day. They can flip switches and hold conversations with the police. They can ask them how they're doing, their plans, what's been going on, and make sure the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing. Police could get disciplinary action if they turn their cameras off when the observer switches to them and voice or camera is off. Also with all the footage streamed to central server locations, no one place could "delete the evidence"

  4. Simple Solution by qpqp · · Score: 1

    Duh, redact it by putting a black rectangle over the feed.

  5. Re:Not just cameras,but a department of police pol by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    just go the area with poor cell coverage and then the video feed stops and the cops can't be at fault.

  6. Re:!Not all cops are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Just wait until a gang of thugs beats you to a bloody pulp and rapes your girlfriend.

    You'll be thinking differently about the cops then."

    See how you can make this argument more effective by removing unnecessary racism?

  7. Is the US government really so dysfunctional by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

    That they can't change the law?

    1. Re:Is the US government really so dysfunctional by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      If you read the article, you would find this issue is related to Washington State's Public Records Act. It has nothing to do with any federal law.

      [insert your own snappy rejoinder about dysfunctional posters here]

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    2. Re:Is the US government really so dysfunctional by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

      Huh? Who said anything about federal law?

      Washington State is part of the US, isn't it? (According to Wikipedia, anyway.) So I would expect the phrase "US government" to include the government of Washington State, along with all other governments within the US. Do you really use it only to describe the federal government? What do you say instead when you mean the federal government *and* the government of the States and other territories collectively?

    3. Re:Is the US government really so dysfunctional by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      So I would expect the phrase "US government" to include the government of Washington State, along with all other governments within the US. Do you really use it only to describe the federal government?

      Yes. Pretty much, "US government" refers to the Feds.

      What do you say instead when you mean the federal government *and* the government of the States and other territories collectively?

      We hardly ever talk about that. At levels lower than the Feds, we talk about "State and local governments" from time to time.

      But the States are only subordinate to the Feds on Constitutional matters (there are things only allowed to the Feds, and things only forbidden to the Feds), so much of State law is completely orthogonal to Federal law. This is generally not true at State level (cities and towns can pass their own laws with the permission of the State, but only with permission).

      But at the State level, that's just not true (an example: Murder is a State-level crime. It's only a Federal crime if it takes place in an area not under jurisdiction of State law (military reservation, for example, which is not subject to State law, even if it sits entirely within a single State)).

      So we very seldom clump all law-making bodies from the Feds on down together.

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    4. Re:Is the US government really so dysfunctional by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a lawyer, but cities and towns can pass their own laws with the permission of the State, but only with permission isn't exactly true.

      I'm not aware of any local government asking permission for passing a law of any higher government.

      Tangent: what's the ordering, and does it vary with state? In NY we have county govt, town, city / village.). My understanding is that each level down can be more restrictive, but not less so, than a level above. That is, NY allows alcohol sales, but not cocaine sales. A local town can make selling alcohol illegal in their town (called a 'dry town'), banning selling in stores and banning bars. But they can't make it legal to sell cocaine.

      Of course, what's less clear to me is if County govt overrules City govt, or if they are also orthogonal. Also, apparently, states can choose whether to enforce federal laws apparently - see recent marijuana news. I suppose that cities can choose whether to enforce state laws also? It's quite confusing, and I live here.

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  8. How to operate police body cameras. by papagede · · Score: 1

    The ideal system would: 1) Have all data collected by the camera (or other sensor) stay encrypted, even from the officer. 2) Have all data collected move off the device and onto secured servers. 3) The device(s) have a visible identifier (light?) to indicate they are functioning properly. 4) If the device malfunctions, the officer becomes a civlian not a police officer. On a side note, how bout one the terms of service of being a publically elected official being a publically visible NSA scan on the official for their term of service.

  9. Redaction is Insufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We need to go past simple rules which can be changed at whim. We need to mandate encryption of all video and the decryption keys must be stored with a 3rd party who will only release an individual key in response to a court-issued warrant. Not just a court order that any court clerk can sign, but a full-blown judge-signed warrant. We also need official data-expiration policies such than anything older than a year is deleted unless there has been a petition to preserve it - and that's a mere petition to preserve, you'll still need a warrant to decrypt but preservation pending a warrant needs to be easy enough.

    If we don't make access physically difficult (versus administratively difficult) it is inevitable that these videos will end up in databases the way license plate scans have. And ten years down the road when Moore's law has kicked up our computational power up by another 100x they'll be running facial recognition, voice recognition, engine-sound recognition, gait-recognition, etc on the videos and data-mining the F out of it so that it becomes a tool for oppression worse than no video at all.

    There are a lot of valid reasons to make the video available to the police - better supervision, training (replay their own mistakes as well as study the mistakes of others), etc. But, everything in life is a trade-off and the price of those minor beneficial uses will be state abuse of the camera footage. The only way to preserve liberty is to design the system such that no one, no one at all, has unrestricted physical access to footage.

    1. Re: Redaction is Insufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is where a DMS comes in. TRIM could do the job. Once a file is stored it can not be deleted exept by admins. All views are logged. Everything is logged.

      Once a video is cut upload it, encrypt locally and upload to the server later.

      Introduce severe penalties for tampering.

      There may even be an open solution DMS capable of the same.

  10. Wait, what? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    You mean in the real world there are conflicting priorities and complexities?

    But this is Slashdot - I demand that the situation be simple and resolvable by unidirectional moral outrage!

  11. A Simple legal change that would help by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    Make it law at a federal level that if a case hinges on the presence or absence of video then the case automatically goes in the civilians favor (unless the video shows otherwise). And the video must be uncut and continuous (no taking a couple seconds out to "improve" the video).

  12. No redaction necessary by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I won't talk to the police with video cameras. No redaction necessary. Lay on more stones!

  13. San Diego by Mocko · · Score: 1

    Police Chief: "Videos are for evidence, not transparency"

  14. Missing the Point by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

    The important question is and always ought to be, are those whom the redaction laws are meant to protect going to feel safe otherwise? I suspect that the concern is not that a gang member will use a FOIA request to get the video clip, but that a news broadcaster will, will air it, and the gang member will see or hear of it.

    The 'magically turn that face into an address' process is something known as 'facial recognition' and 'memory.' You do it every time you recognize somebody and remember where they live and/or frequent.

    There's a reason laws against witness tampering and the like exist, you know. It's because people really will do this, and a lot of people believe--rightly or wrongly--that if all the witnesses are gone, the case will fall apart.

    1. Re:Missing the Point by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      There's a reason laws against witness tampering and the like exist, you know. It's because people really will do this, and a lot of people believe--rightly or wrongly--that if all the witnesses are gone, the case will fall apart.

      Which is of course, part of the reason that the police rely as much as they can on forensic and surveillance data rather than witness data. While emotionally effective for juries, witnesses do have a distressingly poor memory, easily fooled by both themselves and the cross-examining lawyers. And if a witness gives evidence that emotionally affects the jury, but the judge then instructs the jury to disregard (for example, because forensics show that it can't be accurate), if the jury then convicts there an open channel for an appeal and running through the whole dog-n-bone show again. which is a waste of money, brains and time for everyone concerned.

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  15. Unbelievable levels of hypocrisy going on here... by Methadras · · Score: 1

    Privacy for me, but not for thee.