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US Seeks China's Help Against North Korean Cyberattacks
An anonymous reader writes The United States has declined an offer by North Korea for a joint investigation into the hacking of Sony Pictures and asked China to help block cyber attacks. "We have discussed this issue with the Chinese to share information, express our concerns about this attack, and to ask for their cooperation," a senior administration official said. "In our cybersecurity discussions, both China and the United States have expressed the view that conducting destructive attacks in cyberspace is outside the norms of appropriate cyber behavior." China has so far seemed less than sympathetic: "Any civilized world will oppose hacker attacks or terror threats. But a movie like The Interview, which makes fun of the leader of an enemy of the U.S., is nothing to be proud of for Hollywood and U.S. society," said an editorial in The Global Times, a tabloid sister paper to China's official The People's Daily. "No matter how the U.S. society looks at North Korea and Kim Jong Un, Kim is still the leader of the country. The vicious mocking of Kim is only a result of senseless cultural arrogance."
The irony is more than a little thick.
Why did we ask China to help us avenge an attack on a Japanese business?
but Americans are of course willing to hate whoever their government and media tells them to hate, and will do so until their mouths are frothing. Today it is North Korea, tomorrow it will be Iran, Pakistan, and everyone else who does not want to yield.
Senseless Cultural Arrogance is what we do best.
we ever make movies about killing our own president... nah, movies like that would never sell....
It's an fing movie... get over it.
In their realspace security discussions however, both China and the United States have expressed the view that launching destructive attacks in realspace is appropriate behavior. /Sarcasm
IF North Korea was behind the Sony hack/attack, it would not have happened without China's tacit approval at the very least.
Why would the NorKs start out by trying to extort money from Sony?
China is the logical choice to ask. After all, they're behind many of the attacks on government and business. Kind of like "takes a thief to catch a thief."
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The Chinese (and North Koreans) are angling themselves to become the leading superpower in the world, so they are bound to undermine the USA at every turn. It may be time to stop thinking of them as allies and more like aggressive competition. China has long used NK as a buffer and something to create tension. South China Sea, Tibet, Uyghurs, Great Firewall of China. It's almost like they are the opposite of freedom.
I've heard enough about Innocence of Muslims and how its producer was arrested and jailed.
How about that Sony hack though?
The DPRK has already launched the toughest counteraction. Nothing is more serious miscalculation than guessing that just a single movie production company is the target of this counteraction. Our target is all the citadels of the U.S. imperialists who earned the bitterest grudge of all Koreans.
They then go on to say that their soldiers along with the hackers in question are sharpening their bayonets. North Korea seems to want to have it both ways: claiming that they didn't do it, but wanting everyone to take their threats seriously like they did. At this point, there really shouldn't be substantial doubt that North Korea is responsible. The only question is what the proper response is.
America has turned into a very weak society. Lets all run around with our panties in a bunch and do what we are told. In world war II, america had cartoons of hitler and the japs, and no one cared what hitler thought about them, or were ready to lay down and die at hitler's command. Ive actually seen comments that it was stupid for us to make a movie such as the interview. What about sony maybe hiring an IT guy to secure their network? Oh, we can't do that with our millions. I noted a week later, their network was still comprimised if not longer now. That job is certainly non existant, or outsourced to another country who couldnt care less and is known for scamming clueless american computer users for money.
We have always been at war with eastasia
Russia, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, and Iran have in common? That's right, All of them have been targets of US propaganda.
Somewhat the right of privacy of a corporation matters, while the right of privacy of basically 99.99% of mankind (at least, of the ones with access to internet) has been abolished. Do as I say, not as i do.
I for one am tired of N. Korea's arrogance in having been successful in shutting down Sony's release of the movie. I say it's time to strike back - how about we start a meme where we photoshop and videoshop/YouTube images of Kim Jong Un into compromising depictions? I'm being completely serious. Let's see if N. Korea can shut down the entire internet before we make a laughing stock of them.
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.
We have always been at war with someone, be it the cold war, Iraq-I, the 'war on terror', and I'm sure just about anywhere in eurasia/eastasia.
In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done, and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so.
In west-european and north-american cultures, particularly the US, everyone is a fair target for mockery. We mock Kim Jong-eun because he does things worth making fun of. We mocked Hitler because he did things worth making fun of, and we continue to do so. We also mocked Obama, Bush, Clinton... we still regularly mock Nixon, just because it's still funny. Britain makes fun of Cameron, and to a lesser extent, the Royal Family. We have entire industries based around making a mockery of our political leaders, and we would be insulted if you asked us to stop.
The only ones we do not mock are those who do absolutely nothing and are of no significance whatsoever. It would be a greater insult for us to NOT satirize them, because that says we don't give a single shit about them, that they are not even worthy of our derision.
It's really gone too far now, from a laughable hack to a global embarrassment courtesy of Hollywood, destroyer of ethics, morals and purveyor of propaganda for decades.
If you want to show weakness, asking China for help was a great way to do it, tie this fiasco in with Feinstein's "torture report" that put American lives in danger overseas and we have a clear picture of 3rd Worldism incompetence.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
However, unlike The Interview, they generally have the tact to make it a FICTIONAL CARICATURE of the president in question, assuming it's not an entirely stereotypical archetype (usually grey or white haired caucasian depicted as culturally insensitive, possibly a coward, and usually thuggish.)
Hell, the 2012 Hunter x Hunter even made reference to Kim Jong Un during the Chimera Ant arc, but they neither cited him by name, nor made him out as the villain (There were at least 3-5 different groups vying for that title over the course of the arc, and the only remaining one by the end was the World Government.) Not being plugged in to Asian culture I have no idea if there was any NK hostility over that show's depiction of him, but it did give a good example of the issues with the American media's reference in comparison to the global standard for such things.)
There is no political currency in asking for your 'cyber-enemy' to cooperate in investigating an attack by a country whose biggest ally is said cyber-enemy. It's a worthless news-bit at best, and opening a door for problems at worst...imagine, US who accuses China of so many cyber attacks, now saying to China "can you help us investigate the SPE attack" (a Japanese company, 'China's sworn enemy'). The whole thing is turning into a fucking clown-shoes filled dance party.
Don't forget the War on our Own People, also known as the War on Drugs
Riiiiiight.... This really illustrates the double standard and opposition to freedom of expression by Chinese leaders. Hollywood has had the US president appear as all sorts of unsavoury characters, from an utter buffoon to corrupt in numerous films and tv series. (As well as other Western allies, like the UK Prime Minister.) You don't see China complaining about that... It's not 'senseless cultural ignorance', it's just the sense of humour from a few writers. Maybe Chinese leaders should investigate their own senseless cultural ignorance too. Their wilful, state-enforced ignorance is just about as senseless as these films.
Anyone else noticed that this is over Sony, but if it were the president that got threatened, he'd most likely send seal team six in to finish Kim off.
It seems that even the FBI's evidence isn't watertight. They only claimed that the tools used were similar to attacks that had previously originated from North Korea.
The FBI said technical analysis of malicious software used in the Sony attack found links to malware that "North Korean actors" had developed and found a "significant overlap" with "other malicious cyber activity" previously tied to Pyongyang. But it otherwise gave scant details on how it concluded that North Korea was behind the attack.
If the interview was about Obama it would never had been made and anyone considering making such a film would have had a nice visit from the secret service.
Called African Americans 'niggers', or amongst polite folk 'negros' and required them to sit at the back of the bus.
Neither racism nor Imperialism should be tolerated in the modern world.
That said, it really is time for American to bring the full might of it's manufacturing and technological research back onto domestic soil, before it is too late.
The old adage, Joke em if they can't take a fuck.
China can't quite wrap their heads around the fact that in the US there is this thing called "Free Speech"
The Interview falls squarely under "Free Speech" and there is no arrogance in a movie being made about the leader of a country.
What kind of message is sent from a leader not being able to recognize what is Humor and takes it in the vein of being cultural arrogance or worse, a threat. Kim Jung Un, by refusing to cooperate with America trying to sort this out, paints himself as the kid that, despite being a nerd, picked on, totally un-successful with the girls and with any measure of social acceptance, still tries to paint themselves as being the big tough guy and they are the only one fooled by their little act. These types are generally hyper sensitive to any slight criticism or humor at their expense, real or imagined. When they act out like this it says way more about them than it does about America making a political comedy movie.
A respected mentor of mine once asserted that "You can't fix stupid' and it appears that Kim Jung Un and China suffer from that. Sony fucked up by bowing to the demands of the hacking group threatening violence, essentially sending the message to the world loud and clear: "Make a vague death threat, and sony will bow to your demands." This is exactly why in America we do not, under any circumstances negotiate with terrorists. It is unfortunate that China does not have integrity or respect for human rights or human lives to see these issues for what they are and agree with what the rest of the fucking world including America already sees as patently obvious, but everyone knows both China and North Korea are corrupt communist idiots and they will be the first against the wall when the next world war happens, you just wait and see.
Seriously. Sony pictures is a subsidiary of a Japanese company, shouldnt the japanese government do something? North Korea has patently denied having a hand in the hacks or the threats against theatres, so shouldnt we work with them as theyre the victim here? This is a seriously disproportionate level of concern for whats basically been a pretty positive release. We found out studios are maliciously litigating google by bribing attorney generals, so who knows what other nefarious things theyre doing. Or is this all just ideological posturing on the part of an american government thats struggling to do something, anything, to prove its international policy is still relevant or meaningful.
Good people go to bed earlier.
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The vicious mocking of Kim is only a result of senseless cultural arrogance.
It's unusual to see such a blatant case of the pot calling the kettle black. North Korea's cultural arrogance just can't seem to comprehend that not everyone thinks as they do about mocking heads of State that do absurdly dumb things.
For some bizarre reason, North Koreans seem to think that worshipping stupidity is a virtue. Idiocy deserves to be derided, and their leadership is chock full of idiots.
I wonder why this is getting so much traction. This attack seems far less a cost to the American people that any one of the dozen account information hacks of the last few years. What is different? A nasty foreign power is accused as the culprit. A powerful company lost control over some rather embarrassing information about their recent business activities. Am I missing something?
There is no question that in the aggregate American and its information economy is subject to harm by malicious acts on the global network. The very sharing of information that has opened up economic avenues simultaneously have created vectors for malfeasance. This is nothing new. Same problems, different day.
Kim Jong Un is an honorary American!
Reference?
Why is there such a big deal about North Korea hacking Sony? Even if they did, what about Sony's shitty security? It sounds to me like politicians are beating the drum to go to war. Just like Iraq. And why is the US so concerned about a Japanese company? Oh right, the Hollywood lobby is quite strong. There are bigger concerns in the world, like ISIS, which the US should fight because their actions allowed ISIS to come into existence.
Oh, really? Are you sure that there hasn't been at least one movie made about assassinating the President?
Get real, my friend. Stuxnet was designed to prevent psychotic religious fanatics from developing nuclear bombs. There is no real question as to whether the Iranians would use any nuclear bomb under their control to murder 100,000s of Jews in Israel. They have said that they will do it in so many words over and over again in their internal religious sermons. To the foreigners they're a little more diplomatic.
The American-Ashkanzim alliance is the most productive alliance between peoples in all of history. We, as Americans, will never just sit back and watch fascist demented assholes like the Iranian mullahs murder thousands of Jewish people as we did in the early 1940s.
There is no comparison between using hacking to destroy nuclear proliferation and using hacking to suppress an embarrassing Hollywood comedy movie. Anyone who thinks that the two are equal is a fool.
You're a smart person if you're on Slashdot. Don't be a fool.
Speaking as an English man the UK Prime Minister IS an unsavoury, utter buffoon!
MI5 can add that to my file next to the entry were I called him an utter fuckwit!
This "cyber" bullshit is getting out of hand...
But an honest question...
If everything is truly open for criticism, how many times does the US film industry portray the US as a whole as the bad guy? I'm not talking the "corrupt CIA trying to take out someone who is spoiling their plans" but the country as a whole. Any time where there is an evil / incompetent US contingent, there is another US contingent "fighting for liberty and justice" that will save the day. So the US as a whole is never portrayed in a negative light. And I don't think there would be many people in the US that would not get massively outraged at any film that did go that far.
The US has always been ok with poking fun at others, and only poke fun at themselves when they don't think it applies to them individually (even if it is a group they identify with, they will process it as not them).
...about a stupid movie and a bunch of Hollywood execs and MORON ACTORS.
They do not like the interent as it is, and this whole staged iodiocy is just another way to invent new ways to shut the internet down.
Who gives a crap.
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
The attack was orchestrated from China and China is North Korea's benefactor; the attack is from China.
War is war, peace is peace, freedom is freedom (And the question on freedom is, freedom from what?), slavery is slavery, ignorance is ignorance, strength is strength, and knowledge is knowledge! \o/
> Kim is still the leader of the country
That's the problem and that needs to be fixed. Where is DevGRU when you need it? Those V-22 Osprey converti-planes for the NAVY SEALS and the US Army 101st cost an arm and a leg and the family silver to develop, buy and put into service. They should demonstrate a return on the investment now, hopefully returning with our special operations soldiers, the bagged corpse of Kim non-Dotcom and the half dozen or so DPRK nukes we just confiscated overnight.
That would also give putin of russia some food for thought! USA is Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free. It is a shame to see her intimidated and prostrated by thugs coming from lesser nations, who can't hold a candle to the white anglo-saxon protestant founders of this great empire. Why is Superman afraid of a planets of apes? That's absurd!
We're talking about a country (NK) that barely has anything remotely passable as a nuclear weapons program, and people consider them a threat? Over a movie. OVER A GODDAMN MOVIE.
So we are getting China to help investigate North Korea for a crime they didn't commit.