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Major Security Vulnerabilities Uncovered At Frankfurt Airport

jones_supa writes "According to a report published in this Sunday's edition of the mass-circulation Bild am Sonntag newspaper, investigators sent by the European Commission found it surprisingly easy to smuggle banned items past security at Frankfurt Airport. It said undercover investigators posing as passengers were able to smuggle weapons or other dangerous items through security every second time they tried to do so. One of the biggest problems was improperly trained staff, who were often not able to recognize dangerous items when viewing the screens they use to look at x-ray images of baggage. The staff is sourced via a privately owned service provider. Germany's Federal Police said they introduced new measures immediately after learning of the security deficits to ensure that passenger safety was guaranteed. Fraport AG, the company that operates the Germany's biggest airport, also took the findings seriously and begun an operation to retrain a total of 2,500 workers."

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  1. Security at FRA by geogob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only at Frankfurt, but in general in German Airports, I've always been surprised by the use of private security agencies to screen passengers. I have nothing about these private security providers, but just like for anything else, I recognise that their are activities well suited for them; other not so much.

    I have no doubt that private security firm could do that task adequately, but I seriously doubt they could do it well and in a cost effective manner at the same time. There is a lot of pressure to reduce costs at large airports in order to further reduce fares. That's the reason why they have those private firms there at the first place. In turn, these firms offer the service at lower cost... salaries and overtime rules are definitely one reasons for these lower costs, but lower training and selection standards as well.

    1. Re:Security at FRA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You assume that "lower quality" isn't in fact the intention.
      Companies like airport operators are well aware that it's all useless theater, if it weren't for these annoying checks they'd more than welcome lax security!

    2. Re:Security at FRA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I prefer my security theater to come at the cheapest price possible. If you want the government to have armed soldiers positioned everywhere like they have in third world countries, maybe you can get on one of those planes without a return ticket.

    3. Re:Security at FRA by mutherhacker · · Score: 1

      I've always been surprised by the use of private security agencies to screen passengers.

      You were surprised? Who should be doing it instead? Better private security than police/military with huge automatic assault rifles if you ask me.

    4. Re:Security at FRA by aepervius · · Score: 1

      but I seriously doubt they could do it well and in a cost effective manner at the same time

      Which is why the local union in FRA ask that the governement takes again over security control.

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    5. Re:Security at FRA by geogob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't assume anything... I just observe.
      What I observe is that pretty much the same people (from the same security firm) screen my luggage at the airport and my bag before I get into a night club. I don't like it a clubs, but accept it. But I find it close to unacceptable at airports. I've seen a lot of incompetence, lack of respect and abuse of power at German airports (especially at FRA).

      In Canadian airports, the pre-boarding screening is also partly done by private firms. The situation is hardly better. I've seen a huge difference in handling there as well. Most of the time its is very professional and the standards of CATSA at obviously higher than by the Bundespolizei. I think that a major difference, is the the on-site oversight remains under the control of the CATSA in Canada, whereas in Germany, the Bundespolizei is only there for show. They just stand there (if at all), but don't seem to supervise the screening activities. This observation may be wrong, as we, as passenger, hardly know what goes on behind the curtain, but it would explain the service quality in both countries although but employ private firms.

      I couldn't care less about the screening itself; it beings little more than the feeling something is done for security for those who somehow need that feeling. What I do care about is how my belongings and myself are handled in the screening process, what ever that process may be.

    6. Re:Security at FRA by Kjella · · Score: 2

      It's actually very common here in Europe, it's a public service but the government issues some form of tender to buy it from the private sector. And yes, they do often suck at writing the contract and following up that what's been ordered is delivered in correct quality and quantity. If you ask for "a security guard" you get a body with a pulse, if you ask them to have mandatory training, pass certifications and exams you'll get that, but if you don't ask you don't get it even if they're totally unfit for the job. The ones you're buying from is in the business of making money, they'll cut corners if the contract permits them to. And you got issues with continuity and such, but people complain about public departments full of public employees that have a more or less permanent monopoly on what they're doing too. It's easy to get complacent at all levels when you can just say "it takes what it takes" and get funded next year too.

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    7. Re:Security at FRA by fche · · Score: 1

      It's funny that the slashdot teaser - and your response - both latch onto the "private" part of the picture, as though there was inherent reason to dread private enterprise when providing some important service, to presume government would do better.

    8. Re:Security at FRA by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      I have to say that my experiences with their screening personell have been far less than what would be expected from professionals. They make the TSA look civilized.

    9. Re:Security at FRA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There is a lot of pressure to reduce costs at large airports in order to further reduce fares. That's the reason why they have those private firms there at the first place.

      Yes and no.

      Fraport is kind of special in that they were forced to outsource operations to the lowest bidder. Several years back German or EU law forced them to have their established, internal departments compete with 3rd party companies. Last I read quality dropped as a direct result.

    10. Re: Security at FRA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What abuse of power? I travel through FRA at least once per year but have never had any abuse at all. If anything they've been very accomodating and friendly. Maybe not secure, can't tell you, but not abusive.

  2. OH NO. WE ARE ALL DOOMED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone must now stop the people from carrying toothpaste and knives on board planes because they are bomb making materials.
     
    Hint hint: guns go through the air all day long by accident. You don't hear about these on the news because the people who accidentally got them through don't want to throw themselves in prison.

    1. Re:OH NO. WE ARE ALL DOOMED! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      They really don't say which banned items made it through. It may have been 4 oz liquid containers and a butter knife!

    2. Re:OH NO. WE ARE ALL DOOMED! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Hint hint: guns go through the air all day long by accident.

      [Citation needed].

      To the best of my knowledge, there's never been a problem with carrying knives, clubs and all sorts of other weapons on a plane as long as they're in hold baggage. The only time it would be an issue would be if you carried the weapon in your carry-on baggage or your pocket. And I simply do not believe that happens by accident. Anyone in any of the parts of the world where I routinely travel (not America, granted, but that's not even 5% of the world), simply would not own a gun to travel with it, accidentally or not.

      Are you seriously proposing that people accidentally leave a gun in their carry on baggage, coat pocket or wherever (0.01% of passengers, if not fewer) AND the X-Ray and metal detector systems also fail to pick it up (say 5%, for relatively large chunks of metal).

      Frankly, I simply do not believe you.

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  3. You'd think they'd have learned by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Informative

    Frankfurt is where they think the Lockerbie bomb got into the baggage system. You'd think they would have learned.

    1. Re:You'd think they'd have learned by Aethedor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, they did. They learned that that was just an incident, that it is impossible to guarantee 100% security, that even if 100% security was possible it would make flying very unpleasant, that you should not give in to terrorist threats and that driving a car is far more dangerous than flying and everybody accepts the risk of traveling by car. The last 25 years proof that they are right.

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    2. Re:You'd think they'd have learned by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Frankfurt is where they think the Lockerbie bomb got into the baggage system.

      From a different plane coming from Malta.

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    3. Re:You'd think they'd have learned by Hodr · · Score: 2

      The Frankfurt airport already tries their best to make travel unpleasant. This is the only airport I have seen that pats everyone down after going through the scanners. Both times that I went through this airport with my wife they took her to a private room to disrobe because her "bra wire" was setting off the alarm. Funny how that never happens anywhere else.

      Despite the fact that I am coming from another country in the EU, they always force us to de-plane on the tarmac in front of the gate, then shuttle us to the international terminal where we get to go through customs and security again. This has caused me to miss more than one connection despite having only an hour layover (again coming from and going to EEA countries).

      We always complain about the TSA and American security theatre. Well Frankfurt has them beat by a mile.

    4. Re: You'd think they'd have learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen a higher security airport. I got frisked 3 times passing through FRA once. For goodness sake, you have to go through security when entering/leaving the food court (which is already behind the security checkpoints). The only way to increase security would be to handcuff everyone in the building.
      (FRA is a magical place. FRA is miles long without shuttles between terminals and no drinking fountains anywhere. I can't imagine them making it more unpleasant.)

    5. Re: You'd think they'd have learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theres a sky train.

      Also you may notice that drinking fountains are a completely unknown phenomenon in all of Germany, not just at FRA.

  4. Obvious solution by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

    I hear touching people's balls makes everyone much more secure. Or is it insecure? Oh well better do it anyway just in case.

  5. In other news: by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, so according to that so called "newspaper" (I read TFA there yesterday) 50% of dangerous items were not recognized during security screening. But even with this terrible performance, no related incidents have been reported. In other words: This shows that there isn't a real danger that this security theater is protecting us from.

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    1. Re:In other news: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im glad they miss dangerous goods, like a mostly empty water bottle, a tin of peaches, or a roll of packing tape or an umbrella.

      The time quality cost triangle (pick two) is still in action and correct. Like most training nowadays, you get given the answers(or not hard to source) and pass the test, and like a goldfish, forget 10 seconds later. Something tells me these goons are not representative of German ancestry.

    2. Re:In other news: by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are ~30 million commercial flights and around 2 hijackings per year, so that nobody's tried at Frankfurt might be just statistics. None of the confirmed hijackings since 2001 has casualties, though I suppose there's mysteries like MH370. Even if you assume the worst though, statistically you're far more likely to die from technical malfunction or pilot error. Or external causes like being shot down by a missile like MH17, but I guess that's location dependent. Unless you can bring a bomb on board to take down the plane yourself there's no way people will let you cease control of the craft anymore, so hijacking as we knew it is a past era. Most of it is just preventing a stabbing that could just as well have happened on the bus or tram or subway, it just happens to be up on a plane.

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    3. Re:In other news: by cold+fjord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words: This shows that there isn't a real danger that this security theater is protecting us from.

      No, that just shows that the Intent, Capability, and Opportunity haven't yet aligned to result in an incident or attack... that you know of. Absence of an attack isn't the same as absence of a threat. And you're kidding yourself if you think there aren't terrorists in Germany, or flying through it, that wouldn't attack the airport, planes, or other places in Germany specifically or Europe in general.

      Attacks on Frankfurt Airport, Ramstein Planned: Three Islamist Terror Suspects Arrested in Germany - September 05, 2007

      Germany Sends 240 Cops to Arrest Nine ISIS Suspects in Cologne - November 12th 2014

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    4. Re:In other news: by sholden · · Score: 1

      It could mean a bunch of things. The threat being non-existent is merely one of them.

      The threat could also be very rare, but have a high enough cost when it does occur that working to prevent it is beneficial.
      Those who would be carrying out the threat could think the security is better than it is and hence be using other methods,i.e. the deterrent factor is working.

      Or a bunch of others of course.

    5. Re:In other news: by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, that just shows that the Intent, Capability, and Opportunity haven't yet aligned to result in an incident or attack... that you know of.

      So there have been mysterious plane hijackings which have been hushed up and so nobody knows about them?

      Security is better than it has ever been on aeroplanes, primarily because the passengers now seem to delight in beating seven bells out of attampted bombers and then trussing them up like a turkey with spare seat belts.

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    6. Re:In other news: by Solandri · · Score: 1

      None of the confirmed hijackings since 2001 has casualties, though I suppose there's mysteries like MH370. Even if you assume the worst though, statistically you're far more likely to die from technical malfunction or pilot error.

      Statistically, except for transcontinental and overseas flights, you're more likely to die in an accident on your drive to/from the airport than on the flight itself. And the only reason the risk is higher for longer flights is because, well, they're longer, so there's more time for something to possibly go wrong.

      If you're seriously worried about terrorism impacting your flight, you should lock yourself in your room and never go out. Just about everything in the world is more likely to kill you than terrorism.

    7. Re: In other news: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially at FRA you are more likely to find Turkish genes actually. Offenbach = Little Istanbul (Frankfurt and Offenbach are right next to each other and you only notice that you're leaving one city and entering the other because a yellow city limits sign tells you.)

    8. Re:In other news: by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      No, that just shows that the Intent, Capability, and Opportunity haven't yet aligned to result in an incident or attack... that you know of.

      So there have been mysterious plane hijackings which have been hushed up and so nobody knows about them?

      Nobody knows what happened to MH370 - and a hijacking is more likely than aliens.

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    9. Re:In other news: by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      And the only reason the risk is higher for longer flights is because, well, they're longer, so there's more time for something to possibly go wrong.

      Every flight consists of at least three phases : take-off, cruise and landing. The large majority of airplane crashes occur in take-off and landing phases, and relatively small numbers in cruise (some while taxiing too, but they're mostly survivable - airframe damage only).

      If you re-work the statistics in terms of take-off, cruise and landing, then the numerical advantage the long distance flights have in terms of deaths per passenger-kilometre decreases a lot, leaving flying rather more comparable to long-distance train travel. Both still considerably ahead of driving, even if you neglect all the starts and stops of most road journeys.

      There's a reason that airlines indirectly quote the deaths per passenger-kilometre figure - it makes them look better. Deaths per passenger journey wouldn't be anything like so good. (still relatively good, but not as good.)

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  6. Learn from the Canadians? They are the best... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Yes, they should learn from our neighbours to the north. They seem to know what they are doing.

    1. Re:Learn from the Canadians? They are the best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the Canadians, who will gleefully search your cell phone and your computer, reading all your text messages, call logs, and emails, just because they fucking feel like it. Fuck that shit.

    2. Re: Learn from the Canadians? They are the best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Canadian, I've flown about 80 times in the last 5 years within Canada and internationally and this has never happened to me and usually when I fly it is packed and I've never seen this happening.

      I'm not saying it doesn't or won't happen but you're fear mongering.

  7. My (Dated) Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Back in 2008 when I was still working in aviation security (Security Program Architect for an Operator, not American), I visited both LAX and Frankfurt. Whilst Frankfurt hadn't kept up with the times, LAX was absolutely horrible. I was completely stunned at the routine, and almost by design, breaches of quarantine when handling screened and unscreened baggage and don't even get me started on the traffic management at checkpoints. It was one of the most ineffectual designs and implementations I've ever seen in the civilised world.

    1. Re:My (Dated) Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in 2008 when I was still working in aviation security (Security Program Architect for an Operator, not American), I visited both LAX and Frankfurt. Whilst Frankfurt hadn't kept up with the times, LAX was absolutely horrible. I was completely stunned at the routine, and almost by design, breaches of quarantine when handling screened and unscreened baggage and don't even get me started on the traffic management at checkpoints. It was one of the most ineffectual designs and implementations I've ever seen in the civilised world.

      Gee, I wonder why http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/28/local/la-me-lax-luggage-theft-20140328 LAX allowed routine breaches of quarantine when handling baggage...

      It must be assumed to be by design for the purpose of facilitating ongoing criminal enterprise, as they'd had a well publicized baggage theft operation right before you evaluated them and they've still got well publicized baggage theft operations.

    2. Re:My (Dated) Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should note that my visit was not for the purposes of doing an official evaluation or assessment.

  8. Real terrorist threat level by Aethedor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given the fact that security at airports is not very good and nothing really bad has happened in the last decade, what does this tell us about the real terrorist threat level in Europe?

    Don't let yourself get scared by politicians who rule by using fear. Learn from the hard facts!

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    1. Re:Real terrorist threat level by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      what does this tell us about the real terrorist threat level in Europe?

      Why, that government intrusion into communications is what's really stopping the terrorists, before they even get to the airport. Duh.

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    2. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the fact that security at airports is not very good and nothing really bad has happened in the last decade, what does this tell us about the real terrorist threat level in Europe?

      Not as much as that the news that a few terrorists did try, got caught by the passengers and stomped.

      Without being aided by TSA-type officials. Or being caught by TSA-style scanning.

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    3. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Given the fact that security at airports is not very good and nothing really bad has happened in the last decade, what does this tell us about the real terrorist threat level in Europe?

      That much of Europe has probably been almost lulled into the level of complacency that will make a truly horrifying attack possible?

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    4. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzzt! Wrong!

      It tells us that any level of airport security is enough to make an attack using an aeroplane not the most attractive option for terrorists. They will simply choose one of the many methods that cannot effectively be stopped by any realistic means.

    5. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      It tells us that any level of airport security is enough to make an attack using an aeroplane not the most attractive option for terrorists.

      That obviously is not true since the 9/11 hijackers had to pass through airport security.

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    6. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the whole point though isn't it? The 9/11 hijackers didn't pass through airport security, they had someone on the inside who let them through a door. Just proving how pointless all the security theatre is, as the very people it's supposedly trying to catch won't actual be subject to it.

    7. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      The 9/11 hijackers didn't pass through airport security, they had someone on the inside who let them through a door.

      That isn't true. Now go away, troll.

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    8. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Aethedor · · Score: 1

      Bingo! Image you were a terrorist, angry and filled with hate. What would you do? Hijack an airplane, place a bomb in a crowded train station or empty a gun in a supermarket? I'm sure it won't be the airplane hijacking, because that's just too much trouble. To see what threat level a country really has, don't look at the typical place the government is focusing on. Be creative, think like a terrorist and look for the weak spots. You'll find that from a technical point of few, it's very easy to commit a terrorist attack.

      What makes it hard to do: find an idiot willing to sacrifice their own life for it. Yes, the middle east seems to be full of them. But you should know most people in terrorist organisations only joined them because them wanted to belong somewhere. No one wants to be alone. When family members joined the group, telling you all sorts of (false) stories about how great it is and how bad the other side is, it's hard not to go along. But that doesn't automatically make them people we should fear. Going with the flow is easier than doing something on your own. Fighting along side your fellows is easier than going to a foreign country on your own to commit a terrorist attack. Because that means you have to make decisions of your own, making up your own mind about it all instead of blindly following some leader.

      Yes, I'm sure there will still be a few people actually traveling to another country and actually commit a terrorist attack. But how much damage can one person do? If he's successful he'll maybe kill ten people. How much of a threat is that? In the days after, more people are killed but other means but we don't speak of them. We're all used to those threats, they're part of our life. What makes a terrorist attack threatening, is that it's new to most people and we allow the media to blow it up to huge proportions. We believe every bit of fear the media spreads and we want them to spread fear, because that feels like the most natural response.

      The best way to deal with the terrorist threat is to realize that it's very small and to accept that it's there. For most people count, you'll never ever see a terrorist in your whole life and they certainly won't get you killed. And for those few unlucky people who get killed by a terrorist, be lucky that you weren't killed by something as stupid as crashing your own car into a tree.

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    9. Re:Real terrorist threat level by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      It seems your opinion is that there are attacks or attacks just waiting to happen.

      You can't prove the absence of anything: therefore it's impossible to disprove what you say. Therefore I can only concluse that what you say is not really a useful point of view to hold.

      Do you have any evidence that we're about to be drowned in terrorists?

      That much of Europe has probably been almost lulled into the level of complacency that will make a truly horrifying attack possible?

      You know that Europe has had terrorists in the past, right? People lie Eta and the IRA?

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    10. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      But how much damage can one person do? If he's successful he'll maybe kill ten people.

      An individual terrorist could easily kill hundreds of people, and wound thousands.

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    11. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Aethedor · · Score: 1

      Tell me how. You say it's easy, but I say it's only easy if we allow it. Yes, you can give me a 911 kind of story, but those are easy to prevent (close the cockpit door in thise case).

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    12. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      There seems to be an option that you missed: seeing if there are indicators that terrorists have an interest in striking.

      Major terrorist attack is ‘inevitable’ as Isis fighters return, say EU officials
      EU’s 28 governments are said to be struggling to respond to threat of Islamist fighters coming back from Iraq and Syria

      Europe faces 'greatest terror threat ever' from jihadists in Iraq and Syria

      ETA, IRA, Baader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, all were small potatoes compared to the potential of the Islamists.

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    13. Re:Real terrorist threat level by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So people who want to pass more laws to give themselves more power are claiming a threat that they could only save us from by passing more laws to give themselves more power. OK. I totally believe them then.

      The same sort of people also said how terribly important it was to invade Iraq because of WMDs. Turns out they lied.

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    14. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Truck bomb. It's been done before. Examples include the suicide bomb attack against the US Marines in Beirut, and the attack against the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

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    15. Re:Real terrorist threat level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

      Killed: 168
      Wounded: 680

      That's not "thousands" and it's not "hundreds".

      Killing people is a lot harder than you think.

    16. Re:Real terrorist threat level by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Get a life.

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  9. Germans are doing it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it doesn't really show that there's no real danger. It shows that:
    a. The danger is not enough to justify the US paranoia with airport screening.
    b. The German screening procedures, imperfect as they are, are still an efficient deterrent.

    Therefore, raising the spending on airport security is probably a bad investment of tax money.

    Looking forward to the next Schneier's Crypto Gram - hopefully he will provide some insight on this newspiece.

  10. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might recall that the TSA got started by taking sackloads of private company-employed rent-a-cops and making them federal employees, thus unfirable. This ensured and still ensures a nice base level of incompetence as well as arrogance, and costs you more tax dollars than the private situation did. You also get less oversight due to all the petty secrecy, down to being forbidden from knowing which rules apply to you today, and you have less recourse since they're judge and jury too. What do you think that closed-off-from-the-world pervy scanner's peeping box is for, hm?

    The real problem, however, is that it's all security theatre. It doesn't do anything worthwhile. The hassle does the same thing that comfort noise does for voip and cellular phone connections. It assures you that "something is being done" without having the slightest connection as to whether something is actually being done or not.

    There is, however, very real damage to some unlucky if otherwise innocent victims. This makes the whole thing a net drain on the economy and on society. Moreover, the very few things that have happened since the theatre began and that actually have improved security turn out to be among the absolute cheapest things to happen in the space. This makes value-for-money overall very poor. Spectacularly so, in fact.

    So the correct lesson to draw from this is not to do what is always being done in such cases, to "beef up security. Instead what should, nay must, happen now, finally, it's long overdue, is to review what we really want out of our "security investments" and implement just that.

    This would mean that quite a lot of measures can go, and quite a lot of manpower will no longer be allowed to harass travelers, and quite a lot of amazing pervy scanning equipment will turn out to have no further purpose except maybe as a gimmick in kinky clubs. It'd mean the end of numerous databases and that we no longer need those chips in our passports, and a host of "data-sharing" peepery that really didn't bought us anything would have to be stopped too. Which all in turn means that it'll never happen before the current world order collapses under its own obesity. But that is what the correct course of action would mean.

    1. Re:Missing the point by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is some truth in what you say. Airport security is and will always be not perfect, as it is not possible to realize total security, as long as objects (people and luggage) are allowed to get on board. However, real police officers would be better at the job. They are carefully selected and get years of training before they are policemen (maybe this is different in the US, I don't know.). They are better paid (even though I think they do not get enough for the task they have to perform) and they cannot be pushed around like those rent-a-cop people at the airport. Their only obligation is to do their job right.

      On the other side, the private companies try to make a fortune and they must compete with each other. Therefore, they try to become cheaper. In that business this is only possible by buying cheaper equipment, but there are limits to that as minimal standards are applied in that area. Therefore, the only option is in pay and training. The result is obvious.

      If you pay peanuts you get monkey.

    2. Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need to understand the point of the TSA to understand why the party of allegedly small government so enthusiastically created them. Making employees "unfirable" (whatever that means) had nothing to do with it.

      - Conservatives in the US are largely authoritarians and authoritarian followers. The TSA is very authoritarian. This sits well with that particular mental weakness.

      - Since this is about theater, whether they succeed or fail is irrelevant. The point to an authoritarian is to have power. Why do conservatives support thuglike cops almost universally? You'd think that 'rugged individualists' would't support wholesale rights violations, wouldn't you?

      But here's the real reason for the TSA:

      - Before the TSA, security at airports was paid for by the AIRLINES. The TSA is corporate welfare on a grand scale. By federalizing security they not only took that cost away from the people who take your legroom away and charge you for bags now, but they also removed any legal liability the airlines might have for a large scale security screening failure.

      Here's an interesting question: if the TSA is all nice and federalized and stuff and not run by airlines now, why do they have fast lanes for first class passengers? Has the idea of equality before our government (and it before us) in this country been so thoroughly erased by corporate propaganda that nobody even questions that?

    3. Re:Missing the point by geogob · · Score: 1

      I would't call this"missing the point", as the title of your reply says; rather "not adressing the points I believe are more important..."

      What you adress are parly symtoms of a whole different and bigger problem with govermental organisation. i've seen this all over the place where I lived and worked...it's by no mean a TSA issue.

    4. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about perfection in security. We know we'll never get that, nor should we even want it. Bandying that argument around in this situation, however, is rationalisation bullshit for evident complete failure any which way you look at it.

      You're assuming that what they're doing makes sense. From an actual security and safety perspective, it doesn't. From a "we must be seen to be doing something", it does. Then the Frankfurt arrangement is actually better for the passengers than the TSA arrangement. Either way, neither is close to good, nevermind perfect. In fact, neither arrangement can possibly hope to ever deliver good enough security, despite the cost. We are collectively paying mountains of peanuts and monkeying is all we get.

    5. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is only one Islam. Ask any Muslim, they all agree. While they don't agree about who follow the real one, all 'version' support murder, paedophilia and jihad (holy war). This also mean that from my point of view, like a muslim, I see only one Islam.

      Nothing good come from religion that you can't get from elsewhere. There is no gods, deal with it.

      Freedom of religion is a constitutional bug that need to be fixed. If you still chose worship your false idols, you can do so with the freedom of peaceful assembly and the freedom of free speech.

      The only thing the freedom of religion allow you do to more is sexual mutilation of babies, rape and other mistreatment of children, and having slaves. While we don't accept your, we are somewhat tolerant of child abuse and totally supporting of babies sexual mutilation. A new line must be drawn, ZERO TOLERANCE. Take your retarded and backward culture back to the shit hole it belong.

      Thank you for your time,
      Angry Infidel

    6. Re:Missing the point by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Airport security can be made better by requiring mandatory classes in kinesics. Of course some people see this as "racist" because it then becomes profiling. Many police constables here in Canada do so after they're hired on, many of the police colleges and DEPOT already have some form of it being taught during training. I have heard through friends that work for various forces that this is becoming a norm in the US as well.

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    7. Re:Missing the point by Solandri · · Score: 2

      You might recall that the TSA got started by taking sackloads of private company-employed rent-a-cops and making them federal employees, thus unfirable. This ensured and still ensures a nice base level of incompetence as well as arrogance, and costs you more tax dollars than the private situation did.

      Airport security has always been a government job for the simple reason that all commercial traffic airports (in the U.S.) are owned by the government. The local government may have chosen to subcontract out their security to a private company prior to 9/11, but they were still government employees or contractors. All the TSA did was move the responsibility from the local government to the federal government. Don't try to lay blame for this on the private sector.

      The real problem, however, is that it's all security theatre. It doesn't do anything worthwhile. The hassle does the same thing that comfort noise does for voip and cellular phone connections. It assures you that "something is being done" without having the slightest connection as to whether something is actually being done or not.

      Exactly. The real problem is that some of the folks in charge of airport security never got this memo, and take their jobs way too seriously. Unfortunately, reports like this one are bad for the people in charge who do realize their job is merely security theater, and increases the likelihood that they'll be fired and replaced by some bozo who thinks strictly enforcing the rules actually results in a statistically significant benefit to safety.

    8. Re: Missing the point by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      " if the TSA is all nice and federalized and stuff and not run by airlines now, why do they have fast lanes for first class passengers?"

      The fast lanes are not part of TSA. They are before TSA security and are run by airport staff (check the difference in uniforms).

      TSA does run Pre-Check which is a known-traveler system. You agree to give the TSA extra data about you that they could not collect without your consent and in exchange if they classify you a a lower than average risk they will let you through reduced screening.

  11. Was nice while it lasted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fuck.

    I fly out of FRA almost weekly & have been really enjoying how quick, easy, & efficient getting through security there is (especially as compared to US or UK). Oh well... bring on the needlessly long lines, taking off shoes, & porno scanners.

    1. Re:Was nice while it lasted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, you've always wanted to star in a porn.

    2. Re:Was nice while it lasted... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I went through Heathrow recently. Apart from being a pain in the arse to get to and one of the worlds most miserable airports, the security seemed OK. It was moderately busy so they had the metal detector cranked way down on sensitivity and they sopped requiring shoe removal years ago.

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  12. Well there's your problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It said undercover investigators posing as passengers were able to smuggle weapons or other dangerous items through security every second time they tried to do so.

    Real terrorists wouldn't get a second try. ;)

    1. Re:Well there's your problem. by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "It said undercover investigators posing as passengers were able to smuggle weapons or other dangerous items through security every second time they tried to do so."

      'Real terrorists wouldn't get a second try. ;)'

      No, they'll send 6 terrorists an 3 will get through.

      And remember, the security inspectors are not allowed to actually _hide_ the stuff, they must place a gun or a handgrenade -as is- in the luggage.
      They cannot disassemble the gun and hide it in a bunch of jewely or use especially crafted zipguns that look like something else or any other method that a terrorist would use.

    2. Re:Well there's your problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be very sad to live without a sense of humor.

    3. Re:Well there's your problem. by houghi · · Score: 1

      For all we know, they found the guns, but not the second lighter.
      Smokers who fly often will know that a second lighter is easily fogotten and just as easilt NOT confiscated.

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  13. It's normal by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    After all, the personnel only ever sees handguns in the luggage when the security inspectors do a test.

    This is not America where every second grandma has a gun in their purse that they can forget to take out.

    1. Re:It's normal by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      This is not America where every second grandma has a gun in their purse that they can forget to take out.

      And from reports I see in the local news, loaded as well.

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    2. Re:It's normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, may I ask, is the point of an UNLOADED gun?

    3. Re:It's normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gun comes out and gets pointed at you. You tend to assume it's loaded. With many guns, you can't tell. Even with a revolver there's at least one you can't see. Do you feel lucky, punk?

  14. I was there in 1972 - had the run of the place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Security? Used to ride 10-speeds down in the luggage tunnels. Hadn't quite opened yet.

    1. Re:I was there in 1972 - had the run of the place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can have all that fun at Schoenefeld these days. Have they stopped testing with rats and mice yet?

  15. Greed is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private companies are always looking for maximum profit at expense of security. Something to be expected.
    They don't care about dangerous items as long stream of money is coming.

  16. The Right Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In both cases, the authorities intercepted terrorist suspects long before they ever got to the airport; which is the way it should be done. And that's assuming they were an actual threat and not just some wannabees.

    And as far as ISIS is concerned, they are a local phenomena in the Middle East that are fighting for political control of the area. I have seen no credible evidence that they are a threat outside of that area to Western people.

  17. "also took the findings seriously and begun" - LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "HAS begun", I think you mean...

  18. These comments are great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, security ain't that great, the people pushing security on us must be assholes.

    and I'd bet after an incident the same people would be saying...

    Wow, that security was awful, what a bunch of dumbasses.

  19. This is partly how 9/11 happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hijackers flew out of Boston for a reason: Boston airport security was some of the worst in the US. *Even after the attack*, I flew through Logan airport 3 times in a row with a 6" blade throwing dagger in my backpack. (It's a costume knife, no edge, I kept forgetting I had it in my bag.) It was *always* caught on the return trip. Logan got more effective for a while, with National Guard manning the stations and supervising, but they've never been as effective as, say, the airport in Boise Idaho. They're handling too many passengers on far too small a budget for staff, and the competent staff all get the hell out as fast as they can update their resumes. So the remainder is all newbies and managers who've hit their "Peter Principle" level of incompetence.

    It's not that the individual workers are not trying to to do their jobs and keep people safe, by the way, I've had friends work there to pay the bills when their spouse couldn't work, and they did their best. But the work practices are erratic, there aren't enough security gates to handle the traffic if they did a *good* job, and the theatrical introduction of bulky and line slowing "full body scanners" created its own sets of procedural and maintenance havoc that made the congestion even *worse*, exacerbating the situation. And it sucked the money right out of training and physical modifications to the existing system. The workers on the ground are also politically unable to change *anything* because it all goes through a dozen layers of useless management, between the local workers and their company and Logan's political nightmare of bureaucracy and the TSA and the FAA and my grandmother's poodle "Fluffy" having to hold policy review meetings with all the management who do not actually work in the building doing "reviews" and "assessment" and "workflow charts".

    If the US gets hit again by an airplane based attack, I predict it's going to be through Logan. They're once again one of the worst secured US airports, and to deliberately add insult to injury.

  20. I question by koan · · Score: 1

    Whether anyone can be trained to be observant effectively, it seems a quality you either have or do not have, and most certainly the "caliber" of those hired is fairly low (I mean who wants that job?) so training would be even more difficult.

    I would guess we will be hearing about this again if someone does their due diligence and follows up on this.

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  21. 50% failure rate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's easy to fix: just make the passengers go through security twice!

  22. Bild "Report" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL
    Didn't know that tabloids also do reports.
    Seriously? A report by Bild makes it to slashdot? World is not what it used to be.

  23. What items? by houghi · · Score: 1

    I tried to find a list of items that were not detected. Where they handgranades or nailclippers? A second lighter or a landmine?
    Just because they are on the list does not mean they are actually dangerous.

    So without the list of what past and what not, it is meaningless.

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    1. Re:What items? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I was wondering. I bet most, if not all, of the obvious weapons were stopped while borderline things, technically not allowed but not weapons by design, were allowed through in order to keep security moving. I've had things like lighters and clippers taken from me at a slow checkpoint while they let them go right through a busy one. This kind of data needs a threat weight to what is getting through, otherwise it's just political noise.

  24. Frankfurt Second Worst on My List by DERoss · · Score: 1

    I have flown to and from or changed planes in 26 airports. Frankfurt Airport (Rhein-Main-Flughafen, FRA) was the second-worst next to the armpit of airports, which is Kona International (KOA) in Hawai'i. Flying from Los Angeles (LAX) to Budapest (BUD) my wife and I had to change planes in FRA. With 12 security stations, only four were open. It took us over 30 minutes in line to reach a security station. Some passengers booked on our plane to BUD missed the flight because they were still stuck in line at security. No, they did not arrive at the FRA airport late; they too were merely changing planes. If you already passed through security at a prior airport, you remain within the security "shell" when changing planes in a well-designed airport and are not subject to another security check.

    See my "Avoid Kona and Frankfurt Airports" at http://www.rossde.com/editoria....

  25. Not really surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some years back (but well after 9/11) when departing from Hanover airport I watched a female fellow-passenger pass through security wearing a pair of hair pins the size and appearance of sharpened chop sticks. Nobody seemed to notice.

  26. Guaranteed? by kmoser · · Score: 1

    Germany's Federal Police said they introduced new measures immediately after learning of the security deficits to ensure that passenger safety was guaranteed.

    Guaranteed, huh?