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Amazon "Suppresses" Book With Too Many Hyphens

An anonymous reader writes Author Graeme Reynolds found his novel withdrawn from Amazon because of excessive use of hyphens. He received an email from Amazon about his werewolf novel, High Moor 2: Moonstruck, because a reader had complained that there were too many hyphens. "When they ran an automated spell check against the manuscript they found that over 100 words in the 90,000-word novel contained that dreaded little line," he says. "This, apparently 'significantly impacts the readability of your book' and, as a result, 'We have suppressed the book because of the combined impact to customers.'"

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  1. Link to the source by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least link to the actual story, rather than the discussion of the story.

    Hyphen Hate? When Amazon went to war against punctuation.

    Jeez. That was in the second paragraph of TFA.

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    1. Re:Link to the source by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thanks. Here's the rather important last line od the author's blog you linked:

      "UPDATE: The book is now back on sale. Common sense seems to have prevailed "

  2. Re:LOL ... w00t? by ma++i+ude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it looks like Amazon is the typography police. For whatever reason, the book seems to use en-dashes instead of hyphens (check the preview on Amazon). That is an abomination. Where the message changed from "please replace en-dashes with hyphens" to "don't use hyphens" is anyone's guess.

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  3. Re:LOL ... w00t? by ma++i+ude · · Score: 5, Informative

    Addendum: It turns out the author used the minus sign instead of the hyphen. That (a) looks wrong on the page, (b) breaks screen readers, (c) confuses readability scores and (d) makes this not news.

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  4. Re:LOL ... w00t? by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Informative
    I always thought the en-dash and hyphen were the same thing and the em-dash was the long one. Apparently there's hyphen, en-dash, and em-dash and the text of the book does indeed use the en-dash...and looks a little weird.

    Fangs burst through her gums as her jaw elongated into a razor–filled [razor-filled] muzzle and her ears elongated. After less than thirty seconds, the woman had been replaced by sleek, muscular, brown–furred [brown-furred] monster.

  5. Re:from the what-until-they-get-a-load-of-this dep by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, your title is an (admittedly exaggerated) example of how hyphens can assist readability. The hyphens make clear that you are using a compound adjective. In fact, a common error in writing is omitting hyphens when they are necessary. For example, someone writing I saw a man eating alligator probably meant I saw a man-eating alligator .

  6. Re:LOL ... w00t? by gnupun · · Score: 3, Informative

    An en-dash is much longer than a hyphen.

  7. Re:LOL ... w00t? by ma++i+ude · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, on a standard US keyboard, is this sign a minus or a hyphen?: -

    It's a hyphen. A standard keyboard layout has no minus sign, not even in the keypad. The author of the book explicitly specified a Unicode minus sign wherever a hyphen should've been because "I try to avoid using direct ascii hash codes because some ereaders can misinterpret them"

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  8. Re:LOL ... w00t? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hyphen.

    As well:

    — is an em-dash
    – is an en-dash
      is a minus, which you cannot see in Slashdot...

  9. Amazon was being dumb by clovis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like Amazon was being dumb.
    The problem was not too many hyphens, but rather that there were no hyphens. He had used the minus sign and that breaks some text-speech readers.
    Graeme has already fixed it.

    This is Graeme's blog telling the story, the problem, and the fix.
    https://graemereynolds.wordpre...

  10. Re:LOL ... w00t? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A standard keyboard layout has no minus sign, not even in the keypad.

    That is very arguable. In fact it's just wrong. The key is a "minus" key, labelled with a "minus" sign, and in Windows at least it produces a scan code the constant for which is VK_SUBTRACT. What may ultimately be rendered in various text-entry contexts as a result of pressing that key may or may not be a minus sign, but the key is most definitely a minus key with a minus sign on it.

  11. Re:LOL ... w00t? by pthisis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Propose such a "simple" perl script.

    Here are some cases it should know how to deal with:

    Between numbers (note that slashdot eats some of these characters; the numbers below all have different dashes or related symbols between "555" and "1000"):
    "Pages 555–1000 discuss this matter" (this should be an internumeral dash, which is typically an en dash, U+2013).
    "Her phone number is 5551000" (this should be a figure dash, U+2012).
    "There were actually a lot more of them than the estimated 555—1000, to be precise" (this should be an em dash, U+2014).
    "The teacher asked me to solve 5551000. I told him negative 455 was the answer." (this should be a minus sign, U+2212)

    Between letters/words you have a similar problem: even if you know it shouldn't be a minus sign (which symbolic algebra makes tough to know for sure, but suppose you could surmount that), you generally have no idea what kind of dash or hyphen it should be turned into.

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  12. Re: from the what-until-they-get-a-load-of-this de by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The book was professionally edited. It's by a British author using British english. While some of the hyphens could have been removed they were not grammatically incorrect. The problem seems to be that Amazon does not recognise British grammar and punctuation differences.

  13. Re:from the what-until-they-get-a-load-of-this dep by Enry · · Score: 5, Informative

    In traditional book publishing, the author gets about 5% of the list. The publisher sells the book to a retailer for 50% of the list price and the author typically get about 10% of what the publisher sells it for. At least that's what it was in my case. So getting 70% on a self-published book isn't a bad deal. Though editors are still important.

  14. Re:from the what-until-they-get-a-load-of-this dep by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Spoken language contains many variations of timing and inflection that clarify such things. Punctuation exists specifically to impart a rough approximation of those subtleties to the comparatively crude written language.

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