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Startups: the Crazy Ones, the Misfits, the Rebels ... the Dumb

An anonymous reader writes Many companies emerged in 2014 offering new ways to help people connect, get stuff done, or find that special someone. Slack, for example, offers a chatty alternative to work email. Or Yonomi might actually make an Internet connected home feasible. But other new startups, looking for that new and original thing, peddled products that were gimmicky, legally unsound, or just not super useful. On the other hand, sometimes things that seem gimmicky get revised down the road; Kozmo.com is my favorite example — the business model might not have been perfect, but the underlying idea wasn't so bad. Sometimes there's a large not-being-the-first-mover advantage.

34 comments

  1. Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thank you anonymous kozmo PR person for your submission!

    1. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jerry: Cosmo? [laughs]

    2. Re: Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So right. Very well spotted.

    3. Re: Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure of the business viability of a defunct company paying a PR person to submit a link to a Wikipedia article. Maybe he's the Flying Dutchman of advertising!

    4. Re: Slashvertisement by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    5. Re: Slashvertisement by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a good way to remind people of Kosmo.com, so that they're more receptive to the same concept, except this time it's different because we use DRONES!!!.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    6. Re:Slashvertisement by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The link to kozmo isn't part of the submission, it was added by the "editor".

    7. Re:Slashvertisement by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Timmy never even heard of an internet-connected home before, that's why he fell for it.

  2. How much did Kosmo.com pay for this link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What happened to Slashdot, this is bullshit. Stop with these advertisements disguised as stories.

    1. Re:How much did Kosmo.com pay for this link? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I much prefer the old days when stories were disguised as advertisements and users didn't have referred links in their damn signatures.

      P.S.: please check out the links in my signature!

    2. Re:How much did Kosmo.com pay for this link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      What happened to Slashdot ...

      1) Rob Malda sold out.

      2) Semiliterate sellout idiot scum took over. They'll do anything to ensure
              their supply of amyl nitrate and male prostitutes.

      Any questions ?

    3. Re:How much did Kosmo.com pay for this link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Might want to untangle your man-panties. The company has been dead since 2001. The link points to a wikipedia article, and the actual kozmo.com website is an image with an e-mail link (probably the domain is for sale).

      If anything, Slashdot's readership and commentariat is in decline. I'm finding Slashdot less and less enjoyable these days. I guess they were chased out by Beta.

    4. Re:How much did Kosmo.com pay for this link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poppers are normally amyl nitrite.

  3. Kozmo Klones by FairAndUnbalanced · · Score: 1

    These guys seem to be building on the Kozmo model, but it looks like they're trying to make money this time :-) : Favor Delivery

    1. Re:Kozmo Klones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dope dealer also has this kind of model, only better: he hires girls with big tits to deliver his dope, and charges no extra. I guess he's saving money by not having a brick and mortar shop, that's how he must be turning a profit.

  4. And today is different how? by koan · · Score: 1

    It was founded by young investment bankers Joseph Park and Yong Kang in March 1998 in New York City, and was out of business by April 2001. The company is often referred to as an example of the dot-com bubble.[2]

    I wonder if the author knows them.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  5. The great lie of the market. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Something is only worth as much as people will pay for it."

    This is how diamonds sell for millions but people die from being unable to pay a few dollars (or local currency equivalent) for food/shelter - even if they would pay, they couldn't.

    Similarly, successful businesses are ones which have convinced people with enough money to pay for stuff. That doesn't mean much at all about whether the idea is good or not.

    1. Re:The great lie of the market. by khallow · · Score: 1

      So what is the "great lie" of the market. What you quoted sounds more like a great truth.

    2. Re:The great lie of the market. by fermion · · Score: 2

      So a diamond is essentially worthless, but good upselling makes it worth a lot. This values pays for the processing and marketing of the stone. In the US, for instance, 50 years of brainwashing has made couples forgo homes and food to buy a rock. In the case of the apparently paid link, they are a delivery service. The problem is that it is hard to create enough value for delivery. Overhead, profits, and minimum wage means that someone is not going to pay a large delivery fee, the value is not going to create a viable business. Of course you could do what Uber and Lyft does, which is essentially externalize all real costs to contractors, but even in that case profit is apparently not possible without surge pricing which tricks customers into paying multiples of the expected price.

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      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    3. Re:The great lie of the market. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having observed how local businesses grow, I've distilled it into:

      "First you steal from the poor, then you steal from the rich".

      Stealing from the poor is things like pawn shops, corner stores, check cashing places, furniture rental, small-time businesses with outrageous profits.

      Then once you've done that for ten years, the neighborhood is ripe for genrification. You know the locals have neither the time, money, or wherewithal to fight against a concerted development/eviction operation.

      Then you start a holding company bringing in all the trendy hipsterish hair and tattoo parlors, high end restaurants, etc, and there you go, now you are stealing from the rich.

      You're set.

  6. If you're going to name your new software slack... by TWX · · Score: 2

    ...you're going to have a bad time.

    People have been referring to Slackware as "slack" since it debuted. There should be plenty of prior art to prevent a trademark.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  7. Re:If you're going to name your new software slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trademark has to actively protected, though. If no one objects to their use of "Slack", they have full rights to continue doing so.

    Captcha: imitated

  8. My new TV catchphrase based app by grumling · · Score: 2

    Just because something you said on a TV show became popular online doesn’t mean we need an app built around it. It would be one thing if it were a clever word or phrase, but it’s not.

    So my new "Up your nose with a rubber hose." app might not be the next big thing?

    For those of you under 40...

    --
    "Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
    1. Re:My new TV catchphrase based app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Twice as far with a chocolate bar!

      what a drag it is getting old...

    2. Re:My new TV catchphrase based app by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Just because something you said on a TV show became popular online doesn’t mean we need an app built around it. It would be one thing if it were a clever word or phrase, but it’s not.

      So my new "Up your nose with a rubber hose." app might not be the next big thing?

      For those of you under 40...

      Well, you could always try "He's dead, Jim!" Star Trek will have more cross-generation appeal than Happy Days (though Happy Days is where we got "jumped the shark" from)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  9. Re:If you're going to name your new software slack by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    ...you're going to have a bad time.

    FWIW, I use Slack for work, and I find it really useful. It's a pretty good way to connect normal email, github emails, and chat.

    My only real beef with Slack is that its markdown language is a bit different than, and inferior to, Github's. Which is an annoyance when, for example, github markdown messages are rendered by Slack.

  10. Slack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is actually pimp. Stupid easy to do actual useful things, like route in push notifications from git; build notifications from your deployment system, et cetera.

    All it really needs is video support, and I can banish the horrible why-the-hell-does-corporate-America-love-Skype daemon forever.

  11. Re:tuBGirl by lucm · · Score: 1

    You speak like the hybrid cylon pilots in Galactica.

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    lucm, indeed.
  12. 100th idiot by dasunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only way I can see these people getting their crazy plans funded is through the 100th idiot effect amidst venture capitalists.

    From _Matter_ by Iain M. Banks: "100 idiots make idiotic plans, and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot whose plans succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he's a genius."

  13. Yannect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the idea of Yannect but it's still very new.

  14. Re:If you're going to name your new software slack by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    1) Prior art is irrelevant to trademarks, it is current usage that matters.
    2) Slackware themselves do not conduct trade using the name "Slack" .
    3) Trademarks apply to domains, and there's no one in a position to install either who could mistake one's domain for the other's.

  15. Why Kozmo sort of succeeded by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Ok, the company as a whole tanked rapidly, as one might expect, but according to friends who lived in its territory at the time, one reason the service was so popular was that one of the things it delivered was weed. The company itself didn't sell it, but the drivers did that themselves, so they were happy and the customers were happy, and there were an awful lot of deliveries that had only one random item on the books (plus weed.)

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  16. Credible people, products and services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Credible people, products and services
    http://www.nagaiah.com/