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N. Korea Blames US For Internet Outage, Compares Obama to "a Monkey"

Reuters reports that North Korea's government has publicly blamed the U.S. for the widespread internet outages that the country has recently experienced (including today), and taken the opportunity to lambaste President Obama, as well. From the article: The National Defence Commission, the North's ruling body, chaired by state leader Kim Jong Un, said Obama was responsible for Sony's belated decision to release the action comedy "The Interview", which depicts a plot to assassinate Kim. "Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest," an unnamed spokesman for the commission said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency, using a term seemingly designed to cause racial offence that North Korea has used before.

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  1. More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like North Korea is the paper tiger. And Kim Jong Un needs a new speech-writer - the republican base claims prior art.

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    1. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meh, I blame LG for the whole affair.

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    2. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a brief side note: Un is the second half of his first name. Kim is the surname. The Korean language (like most Asiatic languages) put the surname first. First names are almost always two syllables in Korean, and are hyphenated. They don't have middle names there. Here in the 'States, it would be like having the name "Sara-Jane Smith", or "Suzy-Beth Jones." So, if they were Korean, it'd be "Jones Suzy-Beth", or "Smith Sara-Jane."
      Unless you were just using the middle name to differentiate him from his father (like Americans do when they say "George W," In which case I'm just being a pedantic idiot.

    3. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by khallow · · Score: 2

      Obama is a tough guy.

      Because being able to handle an empty insult from a bunch of idiots that nobody cares about or listens to is a solid indication of how tough you are.

    4. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Informative

      One nitpick: The hyphenation thing is a Westernism and somewhat antiquated at that. None of the Chinese I know (including my wife and her relatives) use it when writing their names in Latin characters or Hanzi. Generally they just write their given name as one word. According to Wikipedia, this is standard and you should write "Wang Xuiying" and not "Wang Xiu-Ying" for a member of the Wang family named Xiuying when rendering his name in Latin characters.

      Chinese who travel generally give their family name last when speaking to Westerners, and many if not most of those who do so often or who live abroad adopt Western given names. Sometimes this is one that resembles their Chinese given name, sometimes not.

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    5. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also in South Korea, over 2/5ths of the entire population are either Kim, Lee, or Park. Surnames have a different meaning over there than in the West.

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    6. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      The first lady has always been a target with every president. SNL and MadTV both frequently ran sketches that made Barbara Bush look dumb and/or get trash talked by other people. Though recently Michelle Obama made herself a really bad target. She was at a store when some random customer who didn't recognize her asked her if she could grab something off of the top shelf (Michelle is my height, 5'11", and I get asked that kind of thing often) and so she later made a stink about it in the media saying that it was an example of racism.

    7. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      In Canada, even the Democrats would be seen as too right-wing.

      The problem with that statement is that it is so non-descriptive that it is just meaningless.

      Take me for example, I'm a huge mishmash of opposing spectrum:

      I'm in favor of legalizing almost anything drug related, gambling related, and sex related (including legalizing prostitution) and I'm also very much atheist. Many will describe that as being very left wing.

      However I'm also very pro-second amendment, pro-capitalism, and very supportive of freedom of association (including allowing religious establishments to refuse to provide contraception, allowing people to smoke in places open to the public, allowing private businesses to refuse service to anybody for *any* reason.) Many will describe that as being very right wing.

      Yet neither description seems to work in my case.

      Narrowing political viewpoints into a one dimensional spectrum is likewise dumb. When I hear somebody say x is right or left of y, my first thought is: On what subject?

      I mean shit, if you look at this political compass (which is at least two dimensional, but still a very bad way to label political viewpoints as IMO there are easily hundreds of different dimensions) Adolph Hitler is pegged pretty damn close to being a centrist on the left/right scale, yet Milton Friedman is pegged as far right:

      http://www.politicalcompass.or...

      Like I said, meaningless.

      And before somebody says I'm an anarcho-libertarian on that two dimensional compass, that is also false. I very much support the rule of law and prefer a government to establish order so that everybody can have a common set of enforced rules that permit commerce (capitalism just isn't possible without the rule of law and/or a set of guidelines to make sure that transactions occur in a fair and just manner in addition to having a robust system for dispute resolution -- something that anarchy cannot have.)

  2. So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by jlowery · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are more facets to Mr. Poopypants than I imagined..

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    1. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Not? Does he explode when he turns 40?

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    2. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Oh! Now his whole build makes sense. He's not fat. He's just full of shit.

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  3. Prediction: by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many of the same slashdotters who accept "experts" who claim NK didn't hack Sony will readily accept as truth that it was "obviously" the US that attacked NK, even though there is even less objective proof of that, and could just as easily be some Anonymous offshoot, or any number of other organizations, or even North Korea itself.

    See the logical disconnect, here?

    For those now jumping on the "North Korea didn't hack Sony" bandwagon that some security "experts" are leading for their own political or ideological reasons, including using rationales as puzzling and pedestrian as source IP addresses of the attacks being elsewhere, some comments:

    Attribution in cyber is hard, and the general public is never going to know the classified intelligence that went into making an attribution determination, and experts -- actual and self-appointed -- will make claims about what they think occurred.

    With cyber, you could have nation-states, terrorists organizations, or even activist hacking groups attacking other nation-states, companies, or organizations, for any number of motives, and making it appear, from a social and technical standpoint, that the attack originated from and/or was ordered by another entity entirely.

    That's a HUGE problem, but there are ways to mitigate it. A Sony "insider" may indeed -- wittingly or unwittingly -- have been key in pulling off this hack. That doesn't mean that DPRK wasn't involved. I am not making a formal statement one way or the other; just saying that the public won't be privy to the specific attribution rationale.

    Also, any offensive cyber action that isn't totally worthless is going to attempt to mask or completely divert attention from its true origins (unless part of the strategic intent is to make it clear who did it), or at a minimum maintain some semblance of deniability.

    At some point you have to apply Occam's razor and ask who benefits.

    And for those riding the kooky "This is all a big marketing scam by Sony" train:

    So, you're saying that Sony leaked thousands of extremely embarrassing and in some cases damaging internal documents and emails that will probably result in the CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment being ousted, including private and statutorily-protected personal health information of employees, and issued terroristic messages threatening 9/11-style attacks at US movie theaters, committing dozens to hundreds of federal felonies, while derailing any hopes for a mass release and instead having it end up on YouTube for rental, all to promote one of hundreds of second-rate movies?

    Yeah...no.

    1. Re:Prediction: by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reporting on the hacking seems to be missing something... what hole did they use, or was this just a password leak? What were the other movies (We know about "The Interview"...) that were affected by this hack?

    2. Re:Prediction: by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, you say, "North Korea didn't hack Sony," as if it is an indisputable, known fact. It is not -- by any stretch of the imagination.

      The fact is, it cannot be proven either way in a public forum, or without having independent access to evidence which proves -- from a social, not technical, standpoint -- how the attack originated. Since neither of those are possible, the MOST that can be accurate stated is that no one, in a public context, can definitively demonstrate for certain who hacked Sony.

      Blameless in your scenario is the only entity actually responsible, which is that entity that attacked Sony in the first place.

      Whether that is the DPRK, someone directed by the DPRK, someone else entirely, or a combination of the above, your larger point appears to be that somehow the US is to blame for a US subsidiary of a Japanese corporation getting hacked -- or perhaps simply for existing.

      As a bonus, you could blame Sony for saying its security controls weren't strong enough, while still reserving enough blame for the US as the only "jackass".

      Bravo.

    3. Re:Prediction: by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At some point you have to apply Occam's razor and ask who benefits.

      At some point... Yeah, the very first thing to ask would be that.

      So, you're saying that Sony leaked thousands of extremely embarrassing and in some cases damaging internal documents...

      Or anybody shorting the stock... It took a dip for a while and is now rebounding.

      Please, people, get the silly politics out of your heads. This is strictly business. Could be some soap opera between Sony, Samsung, and LG, who knows, who cares, aside from the drama and intrigue for somebody's next movie.

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    4. Re:Prediction: by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite right. In summary: none of us here in the peanut gallery have any real way to know who did what. Most of the opinions I've seen here seem to reflect whatever biases each opiner may have. The known facts are few and far between. Of course, I have my own opinions but I won't share them because they reflect my own biases.

      This thing is a bit like an Agatha Christie mystery. You may be certain who did it, but you don't really know until Christie tells you. Then you invariably find out you were wrong. Even the strategy of picking the least likely culprit doesn't work. Unfortunately, in this case, we don't have the author to tell us the "truth", so we likely will never know.

    5. Re:Prediction: by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The governments lie, the media lie. That's normal. That's the same in dictatorships and democracies.

      The difference is that in a functioning democracy, they tell different lies.

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    6. Re:Prediction: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should save that comment. I think you could use it in at least 80% of stories and be bang on-topic.

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    7. Re:Prediction: by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      Obama said he would retaliate, so it's a natural assumption, though for all we know Best Korea broke something while fortifying its defenses against this imminent attack. And while Sony may not have hacked itself, making itself look like an innocent victim of a powerful adversary rather than a negligent fool brought to its knees by teenage pranksters certainly is to its advantage

    8. Re:Prediction: by khallow · · Score: 2

      Just because it's "strictly business" doesn't mean that North Korea wasn't involved. They probably know how to short stocks too.

    9. Re:Prediction: by daniel142005 · · Score: 2

      The problem is no one trusts the US anymore, they've been lying this whole time (NSA). The actions and media currently do not add up for it to be North Korea. For starters, what exactly would North Korea benefit? They had already publicly said that it was insulting, and there is no way they could prevent the movie from getting out.

      Possible people that could benefit:
      - The makers of the movie (or maybe Sony screwed them)
      - "Anonymous", as in online activists that are pro net neutrality. The terrorist threat basically forced them to release it online, which is the first time that's happened from a major studio.
      - Google. Sony is a part of the MPAA and after the leaked emails they accused Sony of astroturfing. The MPAA is currently costing Google quite a bit of money in both wasted time and advertising.
      - The United States, any branch of the government could have played a role. Even contracting it out to a 3rd party. Easy excuse to blame it on NK. The FBI could also use the attack as a "cyber 9/11" in the sense that it could be used for cyber-security laws.
      - North Korea, if they were really that upset over the movie. Seems unlikely... they should know the power of a DDOS on them.
      - Another country that would benefit from us getting involved in a conflict with North Korea, which could be anyone.

      That's just the ones I can think of, but NK just doesn't seem to make sense.

  4. They have a good point by Nyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the US & Obama was quick to blame NK, when it was very unlikely they did it, and security experts are pointing out left & right.

    Because Obama saying NK did it and we would retaliate, and suddenly NK internet goes down, fuck ya, we are guilty as fuck.

    We wrongfully blamed the NK, got people to believe our lies and then DDos or whatever happened to NK's internet. All on our heads.

    Our government owes NK a big ass apology and honestly, our government, from the congress critters up to the president, including all the various NSA, CIA, and rest of the stupid shit needs to be replaced.

    This is not the America I'm proud of, I'm not a bully and not happy with the bully tactics America does.

    Time for a change, time to take America back.

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    1. Re:They have a good point by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      They buy them on Tor with Bitcoins . . . just like everybody else.

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  5. Re:Didn't they announce it? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

  6. Re:Didn't they announce it? by morcego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

    Isn't Comcast already doing exactly that?

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  7. Re:Didn't they announce it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

    Well, they just need to go ahead with the Comcast/Times-Warner merger.

    One net to rule them all, one DNS to find them, one link to bring them all and into dark ports bind them in the land of dollars where the politicians lie.

  8. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    He's a politician. What the hell did you expect?

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  9. Re:North Korea always has the best disses! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Scum I can see, but human?

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  10. Ape by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Oooooook!

  11. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    LMGTFY

    George Bush Monkey Photos

    Bush haters, from the days when Obama was merely organizing communities.

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  12. I take offense by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    I take offense at the comparison. I like monkeys.

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  13. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

    We are all essentially monkeys... blacks,white's, eskimo's and north koreans

    Maybe you are; most of us are apes.

  14. A monkey? by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Monkeys like to throw shit around but they are mere amateurs compared to politicians.

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  15. Re:Didn't they announce it? by tlambert · · Score: 3, Funny

    Didn't the US say they were going to try and get North Korea's internet access cut?

    It was suggested by "security researchers".

    Sadly, it took more candy than they had on hand to bribe the 12 year old in Des Moines, Iowa to stage the BGP attack against the 4 routers necessary to take North Korea of the Internet, so it was several days until the attack went forward.

  16. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by khallow · · Score: 2

    however it is a mere coincidence that monkey in one context means one thing and monkey in another means a complete other, and both are being used to describe presidents at a time.

    Why did you even bother to write what you did? The contexts are obviously the same. It's meant to be a very insulting comparison. There might come a day, say in some "Planet of the Apes" future where being compared to a monkey is meant to be a compliment, but that obviously is not today.

    There are far worse insults to throw at obama that aren't racist. Like how he uses robots to murder people because its more humane. Or how he is just the same in power as anyone else and he is really a hopeless president.

    Let's hear some of these insults.

  17. Re:well it is true by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Also, most of us, including Obama, don't live in a forest or jungle.

    That said, I mainly consider the statement defamatory to monkeys. People are the ones who are loose with words.

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  18. Re:Chimps (and humans) are Apes, not Monkeys by Barsteward · · Score: 2

    trashing the economy, starting illegal wars and nearly bankrupting the US is not a "difficult thing", repairing the problems caused is though

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