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Vast Nazi Facility Uncovered In Austria; Purported A-Bomb Development Site
schwit1 (797399) writes "Suspiciously high radiation levels around the Austrian town of St. Georgen an der Gusen had long fueled theories that there was a buried bunker nearby where Nazis had tested nuclear weapons during WWII. Those suspicions came one step closer to being confirmed last week after the opening of a 75-acre underground complex was dug out from below the earth and granite used to seal off the entrance, the Times of Israel reports. The excavation team was led by Austrian filmmaker Andreas Sulzer, who says the site was "likely the biggest secret weapons production facility of the Third Reich" — a facility that probably relied on forced labor from the nearby Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and may have even been the testing location for a nuclear bomb, the Daily Mirror reports. The weapons facility was believed to have been manned by SS General Hans Kammler and situated near the B8 Bergkristall factory, where the first working jet-powered fighter was created, International Business Times reports; Sulzer first got wind of the site after seeing references to it in an Austrian physicist's diary.
The Washington Post cautions that while "the full scope of what occurred inside those reported chambers in the Austrian town of St. Georgen remains unclear and Sulzer’s conclusions are speculative, some analysts are already trumpeting the findings. ... The reported findings, if corroborated by further inquiry, could add fresh fodder to an ongoing debate over the Third Reich’s ultimately failed attempt to secure an atomic weapon."
"The whole 3rd Reich and occupied territories were tunneled..." is vastly exaggerated. See the overview map provided with this rather well-informed article, which will now need to be updated with the newly found complex in Austria.
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I just searched for St. Georgen: The current top story in local newspapers is: A lumberman was hit by a bouncing branch. Of course, that Nazi story can be found too, but it doesn't get a lot of attention. Nobody cares because there is simply no story. That filmmaker just dug a hole and found a staircase. That's all. Well, that's not a 100% correct: They also found an army helmet, an army bike and several warning signs. Not really surprising, since it was a well known nazi base. But hey, maybe the staircase will indeed lead to a super-secret 75-acre nuclear testing underground complex dug by 320.000 inmates that died from it. Or maybe these numbers are simply completely bogus too. The actual number of victims in KZ Gusen (I + II + III) was 44.600, that includes children and people that died from exhaustion after they were freed).
You are wrongly informed, did not search deeply enough, or maybe simply don't read German ? A team of Austrian archeologists is preparing to start digging, as soon as the weather allows it, i.e. as soon as precipitation and hydrology levels are so low as to let them work without danger of being suddenly flooded. Here in Austria, this would typically be from the end of April to the beginning of November.
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How on earth would you Godwin this? Comparing the Nazis to the Nazis is a bit redundant.
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Actually, it's an acronym for NAtionale soZIalist, the political party.
What, you didn't know the NAZIs were socialists?
Yeah, about as socialist as the KKK....
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While you are right about the origin of the name from "Nationalsozialisten" it is still a noun according to the German language standard (see http://www.duden.de/suchen/dud...). On a second note: They claimed to be socialists, but there was nothing social what they did. While they started many expensive building programs to bring people into jobs, this was a) already planned by previous governments and b) a "Keynes" like action to boost economy in an capitalistic way. They also cooperated with the heavy industry in Germany.
A key feature of socialism (on paper) is that all humans are equal. As history has shown that does not work in a dictatorship. And it does not work with racism.
This is a funny thing about secret facilities. Often, their locations are kept secret from even the people working in them. Of course those building it would have a clue but slave labor was often killed so a lot of those builders could have been dead before the end of the war.
Now we do know that some people did talk about it. They just couldn't point to the location which makes sense if it was secret. So a handful of people at the end of the war probably knew the location and it is possible that they were killed during the end of the war or put on civilian clothing to pretend to be a foot soldier and not imprisoned or executed. Of course those people are not going to officially talk because we still go after Nazis for qar crimes. What we end up with is rumors like what was there for years.
I can see it happening. But only because most the people involced died and people though it was nornal to happen.
If we want to learn what happened, then we need to hand out immunity against further prosecutions for people who talk.
Lots and lots and lots of people were given immunity for talking. Werner von Braun was an early member of the Nazi party, a member of the SS, and was involved in the deaths of thousands of slave laborers and civilians. He was not only given immunity for his cooperation, but in 1975 was awarded a medal by the US government.
Yes, your convoluted conspiracy theory involving thousands of people may be correct. Or some film maker may be doing some self-promotion. Gee, I wonder what William of Ockham would think?
More evidence for theory #2: There has been no third party confirmation. There is no photo of the site. The photo accompanying the article is of a completely different underground bunker, in Bavaria.
It took reading all of the articles, but finally it became clear they were talking about a facility of unknown size located under a perimeter of 75 acres of land rather than a facility of 75 acres under the ground.
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No they completely do not- unless you are going to limit your statement to not looking like they came from Iraq. Bush never imprisoned people and killed them because of their Race or Religion in attempts to cleanse the earth of them. Bush never invaded countries and forced their populations into labor camps to further the war efforts. Bush never Euthanized people deemed not worthy. Bush never forced sterilized people who were borderline not worthy. Bush never killed his political enemies.
About the only things they had in common was that they were both white and leaders of a country. If that is what makes you think they are similar, from any perspective, the vast majority of the developed world looks like Hitler and Nazi Germany. A completely dishonest and fabricated statement from any perspective you wish to push out. That is why there is Godwin's law.
many countries are socialist.
False. Many countries are social democrat, but no country outside of a tiny number of failed states like Cuba are socialist.
I don't think that most US Americans are capable of understanding the very substantial difference between the two. To to about half the US population anything to the left of the Republican/Tea party is communism. It cracks me up whenever somebody on Fox News calls Obama or the Clintons 'socialists' or even 'communists' which is even funnier than the 'socialist' label. Both the Clintons and Obama are pretty much in the pocket of Wall Street which is anathema to any real socialist. It is however entirely thinkable in the case of social democrats. A good example is Tony Blair, he led a social democrat party but still had no compunctions about crawling into the wallet of Ruper Murdoch and the City bankers.
Before I comment on WMDs in Iraq I will remind you that there were something like 20 causes of action against Iraq, many of which were clear cut and indisputable. Others were also confirmed after the invasion, such as finding Iraq's banned long range missiles, and unfilled chemical warheads for those missiles. There have been hundreds of mass graves found in Iraq which amply testify to the many crimes against humanity committed by the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, not to mention his wars and acts of aggression against many of his neighbors.
As to the WMDs, approximately 5,000 chemical and biological weapons were found, and the allowable number was zero (0).
Iraq's WMD: The Shameless New York Times Moves the Goalposts
Now comes the 10,000-word, eight-part story in The New York Times. The front-page story, called "The Secret Casualties Of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons," says WMD were in Iraq: "In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act."
Moreover, the soldiers were told to keep quiet about the WMD:
"Troops and officers were instructed to be silent or give deceptive accounts of what they had found. ?'Nothing of significance' is what I was ordered to say,' said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired Army major who was present for the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war: more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.
Some of those weapons were still being held in a major Iraqi military base overrun by ISIS.
I hope that helps.
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I'll bite. Ballard's discovery wasn't "accidental". He'd been pushing a new way of searching for wrecks, which he wanted to use to find the Titanic. The Navy thought his work was perfect for looking for a lost sub. They funded him for a set number of days, using his well known desire to search for the Titanic as a cover, with the deal that he could look for the Titanic with his remaining time after (if) he found the sub - first he found the latter, then the former The only irony is that the Navy was initially concerned that the publicity in actually finding the Titanic would make people wonder why the Navy had bothered funding a search for a passenger liner, but the huge amount of acclaim meant that no one really ever dug deeper into the mission till more recent times.
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Yup, a fully stocked, sealed bomb shelter in the Brooklyn Bridge, NYTimes link here
"goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series