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SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch and Historic Landing Aborted

An anonymous reader writes With only 29 seconds in the countdown, SpaceX had to abort the launch due to a last-minute problem with actuator drift, affecting the motors that control the second stage's rocket thrust. "SpaceX had to scrub Tuesday's attempt to launch a Falcon 9 rocket to the International Space Station and make a historic rocket landing. The landing experiment would have involved putting the first stage of the two-stage rocket on a floating platform in the Atlantic Ocean, about 200 miles off the coast of Florida. Such a feat has never been done before. A successful maneuver would have marked a significant step toward making rockets more reusable and driving down the cost of spaceflight."

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  1. Better to cancel rather than fail. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that they need to get successful launches, but the ability to scrub at the last moment is more important than a "balls-to-the-wall-let's-go-anyway-can-do" attitude. Unlike in Hollywood, there's no room for space cowboys in space.

    They'll get it right when it's the right time.

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    1. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My father worked mission control during challenger. They did not know of any issues before launch, unlike this.

    2. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's true you've probably read the Rogers Commision report?

    3. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by melstav · · Score: 2

      They HAD that ability, but they pissed it away. NASA refused to listen to engineers and the contractors who were telling them that the O-Rings, as designed, had a high risk of failure given the severe cold that day.

      One of the o-rings DID fail, but not until the shuttle was already in the air. At that point, it's WAY too late to scrub.

    4. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He worked the Payload console at the time so nothing was up on his end. Upper management didn't share any concerns with the guys at the consoles.

    5. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      He's not talking technical problems preventing an abort, he's talking political. Engineers working on the Challenger program wanted to abort, expressed concern about the exact issues that caused the accident, and got overridden by management.

    6. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      I remember watching it live and seeing icicles hanging off the gantry, never saw that before. Challenger's "First Teacher in Space" launch was being aired in the nation's schools, and after two previous launch attempts were scrubbed, NASA needed some good p.r. In retrospect, perhaps this was a bad idea?

    7. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by TWX · · Score: 1

      Based on what I remember, sitting in school that day, and what my wife has said of sitting in school that day, and what most of the other people have said that I've discussed it with, who themselves were sitting in school that day, yeah, I'd say that it falls into the bad-idea end of the spectrum.

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    8. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP said "NASA mission control" which lumps in a bunch of innocent people, including my father. Maybe upper management decided to take a risk, but the guys on the ground certainly would not. If you don't believe me, here is his bio:
      https://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-clement/6/b42/33b

    9. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by colordotmatrix · · Score: 1
      There's plenty of room for Space Cowboys in space....

      Just try to make sure they don't get captured by Earth's gravity and add to all the debris orbiting our planet...

    10. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Immerman · · Score: 2

      An important distinction, I think you can agree. While that would indeed absolve the people on the floor from culpability, your original phrasing is easily interpreted as an absolution of the people calling the shots.

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    11. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      When you blame someone for reckless behavior, do you say "their brain should have made different decisions", or "they should have acted differently"? You don't blame the hand that pulled the trigger, but the mind that sent the command. But both are encompassed when you refer to the individual in gestalt.

      I might even go so far as to say the fact that it was possible for the people on the floor to *not* know about the engineer's concern is an indicator of a systemic flaw in the institution itself, irrespective of the people sitting in the chairs.

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    12. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private sector space business is in its infancy. Give it time and you will see politics and divisions in communication will inevitably happen. It's easy to sit back and judge NASA and say private sector is so much better because nothing bad has happened.... Yet.

    13. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by melstav · · Score: 1

      Looking at the incident strictly from the standpoint of the PR fallout that NASA received as a result, which do you think would have been worse?

    14. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by TWX · · Score: 1

      I think both were trumped by, "OMG! NASA just killed an entire shuttle crew with millions of children watching!"

      WHY the children were watching suddenly became a lot less important than that they were watching. To this day we haven't recovered from the setbacks to the American space program caused by that exposion; the ISS was years behind schedule being constructed so years' of experiments haven't been carried out, nearly all other manned-projects never materialized until after we no longer had American-supplied man-rated access to Low Earth Orbit, and NASA's funding has been shaky for a long time.

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    15. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why're ya avoiding this Barb http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? You troll apk http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... n' you can't back it up? Yes. Minusmod hiding it too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... last 2 times I posted it? You're pitiful. Enjoy your self-sockpuppet upmodded post. Everyone's seeing how pitiful you are (keep it up).

    16. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barb's cancelling vs. failing again's why. Barb failed as a man, tried a sexchange into a woman, failed it too.

    17. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask BarbaraHudson what's up with this http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    18. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've learned to space out your self-replies a bit, Alex, but you'll still never fool anyone into thinking you're not just cheerleading yourself. Get a job.

    19. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Hey, I don't for a minute claim that private industry is a magic cure-all, in fact they're often worse. But failings deserve to be criticized, no matter who's making them - how else can we learn from our mistakes as a species?

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    20. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC as all the above.

      Where do you draw the line for blame? Mammals? Humans? Corporations? Divisions in a department? Management? The guy who made the call? I originally posted because the blame was laid on "NASA mission control." Since my father was a part of that, I went on the defensive. I've actually talked to him about it today and he said at the time no one at the consoles even knew what an O-ring was, let alone it's operating temp threshold. This article is about anomalies seen at the operator level and they scrubbed the launch. Saying this is anything like the Challenger accident is comparing apples to oranges. Upper management did not share any concerns with the people at the consoles, so you can't blame them. Blame burocracy or whatever, but for whomever thinks that the private sector is immune from politics and departments not communicating is naive.

    21. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Committ · · Score: 1

      Well where are the space cowboys supposed to go then?!

    22. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barb, you got your ass handed to you by apk again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and from what I understand (which wageslave fools like you never will, so keep working for others, making them rich, as it's "noble work you're doing" selling your life for peanuts chump) since apk's past the working wageslave stage, runs his own business and has a great life (homes, sportscars, all bills paid, money in the bank etc.). How about you, wageslave?

    23. Re: Better to cancel rather than fail. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Who has final authority over Mission Control? The same management that didn't deign to share information with the folks doing the work I'd wager

      In general when you blame "X" for something the first place to look for culpability is the highest-level management involved - either they're directly responsible, or they fostered the environment that led to the problem (possibly under pressure from even higher management). Unless you're a manager of course, in which case *obviously* your behavior was above reproach, so it must have been those damn underlings...

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    24. Re:Better to cancel rather than fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you couldn't get you right, frank http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

  2. They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But this makes it sound like, "Oh noes, this is technically IMPOSSIBLE LET'S JUST GIVE UP!"

    Really it's just rescheduled a few days; the platform landing attempt will still happen; if it doesn't succeed on this go around they will eventually perfect it.

  3. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I find impressive is SpaceX's turnaround time on scrubbed launches. I mean, sometimes they've fixed problems and relaunched within hours - 3 days is rather long by their standards and may have more to do with launch windows than anything else.

    Who knows whether they'll nail this particular landing. But I'm pretty confident in the long run that they'll be nailing landing after landing with only the occasional random mishap (which is allowable, since it's unmanned). Now, whether they can collect, transport, refurbish, and relaunch cheaper than just building a new one, especially with their proportionally low production costs, that is yet to be seen. Best of luck to them, though!

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  4. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've had a lot of practice!

  5. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

    The announcer said they might try again as early as Friday, just before SpaceX live stream was terminated.

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  6. 29 seconds? 1 minute 21 seconds is official time by chrisfromnowhere · · Score: 1
    https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacex/

    Not sure where 29 seconds came from. I didn't see it in the article linked. Official NASA count is 1 minute 21 seconds... not that it's too significant of an error in the original post.

    "The SpaceX Falcon 9 launch scheduled for this morning at 6:20 a.m. EST aborted with one minute, 21 seconds left on the countdown clock. A thrust vector control actuator for the Falcon 9’s second stage failed to perform as expected, resulting in a launch abort.

    "SpaceX is evaluating the issue and will determine the next opportunity to launch the company’s fifth commercial resupply services mission to the International Space Station. The next available opportunity to launch to the station would be Friday, Jan. 9."

  7. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

    may have more to do with launch windows than anything else

    Yes, the next ISS launch window is Friday morning.

  8. Re:29 seconds? 1 minute 21 seconds is official tim by Bomarc · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... and in case you were wondering:
    Actuator drift occurs when a valve is out of null, resulting in a piston moving slowly or drifting when there is no control signal (e.g. when the electrical power is off).

    Now to research what is "out of null"....

  9. Re:Come on, fanbois.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never been a fanboi of anything or anyone in my life, but if Elon Musk were to ask me to jump off a bridge I would be smiling all the way down.

  10. Re:29 seconds? 1 minute 21 seconds is official tim by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    basically, it's when a valve that would ordinarily be held closed by a pressure gradient (or a mechanical spring) favouring its swing side is missing that pressure gradient and being pulled open by backpressure or another, external force such as gravity. It's like when an airliner does a water landing. The doors would ordinarily hold the air in because they act like valves - the pressure inside the cabin holds them in place. When the airframe is under water, external pressure exceeds internal pressure, and the door seals will inevitably fail. Lesson for the day: in the event of a water landing, get the fuck out of the aircraft.

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  11. Re:Come on, fanbois.... by Immerman · · Score: 1

    You may want to refresh your definition of fanboi. If Musk asked me to jump off a bridge I'd want a damn good reason or my respect for him would plummet dramatically. Followed rapidly by him, if I judged his reason grossly lacking. After all, clearly he believes *someone* has to go off the bridge.

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  12. Beebop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike in Hollywood, there's no room for space cowboys in space.

    Cowboy Bebop would disagree with you.

  13. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I think the couple of days is due to orbital mechanics more than anything else. It could also be that because this resupply is so critical they're going to do some additional testing.

    From what I know about SpaceX their testing regime is pretty insane already.

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  14. Elon Musk on Reddit by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Informative
    Reposting my comment from 2 stories ago... .

    Elon Musk just did an AMA (ask me anything) on Reddit. Here's one Q/A.

    Mr Musk, How will you secure the first stage of the Falcon 9 to the barge when it lands? Gravity or some mechanism? REPLY [–]ElonMuskOfficial " Mostly gravity. The center of gravity is pretty low for the booster, as all the engines and residual propellant is at the bottom. We are going to weld steel shoes over the landing feet as a precautionary measure." http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/c...

    1. Re:Elon Musk on Reddit by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Thought someone might have been interested. Not you, obviously...

    2. Re:Elon Musk on Reddit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was interested!

    3. Re:Elon Musk on Reddit by david.given · · Score: 2

      Plus, of course:

      ken27238: What do you think SpaceX uses for testing software?
      ElonMuskOfficial: Kerbal Space Program!

    4. Re:Elon Musk on Reddit by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Musk swears by Kerbal, says it helped him tremendously. I'm going to try that out now. https://kerbalspaceprogram.com...

  15. Re:29 seconds? 1 minute 21 seconds is official tim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    After a landing, generally speaking, it is better to get the fuck out of the aircraft anyway. I tried to stay in one of those things for a few nights but the TSA kicked me out.

  16. Historic Landing Aborted. by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    It can't be historic until they actually land... never mind take off.

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    1. Re:Historic Landing Aborted. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I guess they are pre-historic then?

  17. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    What I find impressive is SpaceX's turnaround time on scrubbed launches. I mean, sometimes they've fixed problems and relaunched within hours - 3 days is rather long by their standards

    Huh? Why would you be impressed by that? Fast turnarounds, where possible, are pretty much the gold standard in the launch industry. You just don't hear about them as much because other launch companies aren't surrounded by the Musk's hype-and-media Reality Distortion Field.

  18. Count down abort.. by grumpyman · · Score: 2

    I never understand why "problems" always seem to pop up at the very last moment for space launches.

    1. Re:Count down abort.. by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Probably because they fix the problems that pop up before the last moment. Also the last moment in a failed launch is when the problem pops up.

    2. Re:Count down abort.. by confused+one · · Score: 2

      Because that's when the problem occurs. Reasons might be as follows: First, while systems might have been exercised, nothing is fully pressurized, the engines are not running, the controls are all running through the link to ground, and everything is running on shore power. During the final moments, (not necessarily occurring in this order) they switch to internal batteries and disconnect from shore power, spin up the on-board computers with the launch parameters and hand control over to them, switch from ground (hardwire) linkage to radio communications linkage, engage range safety systems and get acknowledgement they're online, top off the fuel tanks, shut the fuelling valves, pressurize the tanks and pneumatics, spin up the hydraulic pumps, confirm the nozzle gimbals function correctly and finally start the engines. During any one of these steps (and I'm certain I've missed a couple) something can (and occasionally does) go wrong.

    3. Re:Count down abort.. by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      If you wait till the last minute, they only take a minute to fix.

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    4. Re:Count down abort.. by FirephoxRising · · Score: 1

      Probably because problems a week before are quietly fixed and don't abort the launch?

    5. Re:Count down abort.. by Rei · · Score: 1

      That's sort of like the saying, "My keys are always in the last place I look!" It's a truism; it's as if we're supposed to believe that there's people out there who are looking for their keys, find them, and then decide to just keep on looking for them.

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  19. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by GTRacer · · Score: 3, Funny

    [...] surrounded by the Musk's hype-and-media Reality Distortion Field.

    I'm pretty sure Mr. Jobs both patented AND trademarked his innovative yet elegant Reality Distortion Field. Please select a non-infringing term when discussing Mr. Musk's abilities. Thank you.

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  20. Count down abort.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't. Usually, problems crop up during the pre-launch, are fixed, and the launch sequence is resumed. When they happen at the last moment, they're more memorable because they *stop* the launch. (This is due to the launch window passing, making it impossible to fulfill the main purpose of having the launch in the first place.)

    The reason they crop up during the last moments before launch, is because that's when they're doing the final pre-launch checks to make sure that all of the systems are operating as expected. If they didn't do these checks, the launches would occur, and be much more spectacular on average. (Kabooooom!)

  21. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Rei · · Score: 1

    Could you remind me when, say, the Shuttle ever had, say, a countdown terminated after engine fire during holddown, a defective part replaced, and then a launch just a couple hours late? Because SpaceX has done that. Their turnaround is impressive by anybody's standards. Heck, that would be an impressive turnaround time for a broken part on a Volvo, let alone a freaking rocket.

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  22. LOL - well played. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    As the subject line says.

  23. Are you really that fucking stupid? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Could you remind me when, say, the Shuttle ever had, say, a countdown terminated after engine fire during holddown, a defective part replaced, and then a launch just a couple hours late?

    If the Shuttle were the only other launch vehicle out there, that would be a valid question. Instead, it just exposes you as an ignorant jackass.
     

    Their turnaround is impressive by anybody's standards.

    No, it's only impressive if you're completely and utterly ignorant of the launch industry. (Which is essentially the level of knowledge among the members of Drooling Fanboi club.) Otherwise, it's just another fast turnaround, barely worth mentioning at all.

    1. Re:Are you really that fucking stupid? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Instead of simply tossing out vague claims and insults, how about you back up your argument with an example of other companies calling aborts after engine ignition during holddown, replacing a defective part, and relaunching just hours later?

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  24. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, ISS launch windows are once every three days, so yes, it's a launch window problem.

  25. R O T F L M A O!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahahaha

  26. Re:They'll just try tomorrow... or in a few days.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I find impressive is SpaceX's turnaround time on scrubbed launches. I mean, sometimes they've fixed problems and relaunched within hours - 3 days is rather long by their standards and may have more to do with launch windows than anything else.

    Probably didn't hit their mark for livestream viewers.