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The Fire Phone Debacle and What It Means For Amazon's Future

HughPickens.com points out an article at Fast Company that dug into the creation of Amazon's floundering Fire Phone to figure out why the company pushed so hard to bring it to market. The piece is an indictment of Jeff Bezos's determination to make the Fire Phone into a competitor for an already-saturated high-end smartphone market. "This wasn't some vague guideline from an executive busy running other parts of the business; based on interviews with more than three dozen current and former employees, most of whom were deeply involved with the project, the CEO drove every aspect of the phone’s creation from the outset."

Now that Amazon's growth is slowing and profits have yet to be seen, investors and analysts have run out of patience for gambles like this one. "What makes the Fire Phone a particularly troubling adventure, however, is that Amazon’s CEO seemingly lost track of the essential driver of his company’s brand. It’s understandable that Bezos would want to give Amazon a premium shine, but to focus on a high-end product, instead of the kind of service that has always distinguished the company, proved misguided."

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  1. where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > "but to focus on a high-end product, instead of the kind of service that has always distinguished the company, proved misguided."

    What service suffered as a result of this? The product ended up not being what was desired by the public, but what specifically would have fixed this? Just saying "with 20-20 hindsight, that wasn't a good use of your time" is meaningless. When you have built a multi-billion dollar business, you can claim that you have better judgement, until then you are just making noise

    David Lang

    1. Re:where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you have built a multi-billion dollar business, you can claim that you have better judgement, until then you are just making noise

      Because if I wanted to own shares in a VC fund, I'd buy shares in a VC fund. Investors in AMZN are generally trying to buy shares in a potentially-profitable retailer, not trying to fund Bezos' personal whims.

    2. Re:where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by Proudrooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So don't buy Amazon shares. Jeff Bezos is an innovative maniac always looking for the next hit and willing to gamble big. Amazon is down $100 since 2013, but if you are longer term (multi-year investor) that bought in Dec 2012 you are still up $50 a share or you still made 15% or 7.5% per year. Sounds pretty good to me. Seriously, if you want to cry go look at energy companies right now.

      It is just whining from people who want more, more, more. We hear it time and time again: Apple isn't giving us important shareholders enough money, Jeff Bezos isn't giving us investors enough money. We want more, we're important, we're shareholders. Go buy a dividend stock and be quiet. It is a stock, there is no such thing as a sure thing. Just ask everyone who lost 10-years of retirement savings as the banks crashed the world economy and then were bailed out by the US Government. So much for the invisible hand of the market.

    3. Re:where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by Glarimore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the S&P 500 went up 45% in that same time period. Meaning, that if you were invested in index funds you would have tripled your Amazon return.

      Not such a great investment after all...

    4. Re:where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by blang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a short sighted midget.
      How do you think Amazon ended up as on of the world's largest companies, completely dominating all retail ecommerce, and being the sole leader in the booming cloud industry. If Bezos had asked VCs, banks or or anonymous cowards for advice advice he'd probably be the operator of a couple of walgreen's or McDonald's stores now. Or maybe owner of Blockbuster franchise. You can't build something new and successful if you don't take a few risks.

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    5. Re:where did Amazon service suffer as a result? by blang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because for now, it is still far more important to become a more and more dominating player in commerce than it is to make a big short term profit.
      In most categories, you can buy a product on amazon, with free 2-day shipping at a 10% discount compared to most local shops.
      The revenue flowing through amazon is mindboggling. Sure they could shrink that discount a bit, and grab a larger margin.
      That would make it possible for other players to move in on amazon's market, and slow the company's growth.
      The fact is that wall street, and amazon's investors are strongly supportive of the huge cash flow and slim profit margins of the company.
      This is evidenced by the amazon shares sharply dropping every time the company makes a real profit. Investors still wants the company to grow, not make a profit.
      And they have proven to be right. Some hack report in a trade rag won't change that.

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  2. Re:growth is good... by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amazon has tried to create their own product lines with the Kindle and Fire branding, but unlike Sears' branding for Craftsman and Kenmore, the Kindle and Fire devices are less ends, and more means, at least in my eye, and when they hamstring the phone version by basically taking everything useful out of Android that made it popular (ie, Google's through-the-internet connectivity for 'cloud' stuff) they take away most of the means for which I would use the device.

    I honestly don't care what brand of smartphone I have any more than I care what brand of business computer I have at work, in that the phones I buy run vanilla or close-to-vanilla Android, and the computers my work supplies for me generally run Windows, or I install Linux on them myself. The Fire Phone isn't really Android in that what I want to use Android for isn't there, and the experience would be just as foreign to me as using an iPhone or a Blackberry or a Windows phone.

    Amazon over-valued their own brand. Amazon is a service more than a product, and attempting to be a product hasn't worked as well for them as they expected.

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  3. Amazon's hardware sucks by steelfood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All of their hardware sucks. Largely because the software in their hardware sucks. They're using Android, fine, but it's a locked-down version of Android customized to exclusively use their own store (I believe you can get Google Play back, but it takes work). Which is them giving both the user and Google a big "fuck you."

    And then they're trying to break into a saturated market with big name competitors. What's the killer feature? Where's the value added? What aspect sufficiently differentiates them from their competitors? The Amazon name isn't known for phones and won't carry the product. Their shaft of the customers by tying the phone to their own app store doesn't help. Their help system? Few enough people want to admit they need help, much less have the foresight to improve the experience. And Android is so easy to use, who really needs that much help anyway, especially help they can't get from say, their kids or their friends?

    The rest of Amazon's hardware sucks too. They're copies of other products that might visually be nice, but lack usability sense. Google's USB fob can go anywhere. Amazon can only go where Amazon wants you to go. How can that even compete?

    And then there's the other stuff that's not even worth mentioning. Like the speaker. What is that even for? Listening to music from Amazon only? Where's the direction? Where's the strategy? It's like they're throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Except said wall is the glass back of an elaborate toilet that also is a waterfall.

    Actually, I know what it is. They had so much success with the Kindle, they had no idea what made the Kindle successful: they already had the dominant online book store and they were the first to market. Of course it would be successful. But they don't dominate anything else, and they're late to the game everywhere. How can they expect the same success?

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  4. Seriously by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They risked a gamble, so what. Companies build products that fails - it's not even a headline. Amazon built something that people think is a failure, then everyone went to bed, woke up the next day and everyone moved on.

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  5. First derivative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well its the velocity that's slowing so not second order derivative, its the first derivative, Amazon is still growing but the rate of growth is slowing, Google [Forbes Amazon Growth].

    It makes no profit and already has successful and yet unprofitable cloud services. Cloud services won't fix the loss making business. The Fire phone doesn't work, and the Fire TV device doesn't sell enough to turn the company profitable.

    Investors want returns, not brand. But when he starts making returns, then he gets a PE and then they'll realize that he has a very low/sometimes negative margin discounter business which won't generate large profits.

  6. Re:VERY INACCURATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And all of this must have been very demoralizing and irritating for the people who worked on it, but at the end of the day: the only issue which matters for the Fire Phone was the Kindle Fire being a shitty tablet.

    Without Google Play the Android operating system is worth less than Windows 8. I was dumb enough to buy a Kindle Fire. Fantastic device, aside from being totally useless. That's not a contradiction either: It's like a gorgeous car with no engine.

    A smartphone does one thing: lets you install apps from the official App store. Your device doesn't have the official app store? I don't care how pretty the user interface is, I'm not going to deal with a version of Android which only lets me use the Amazon App store, when I can get Google Play AND the Amazon App store on a Nexus 5. Duh!

  7. Amazon phone is the Apple/Google Frankenstein by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Amazon phone takes something cool (Android) and locks it down Apple style. Apple can get away with it because they have perceived value in better quality hardware/design/vertical integration/app selection, etc. Amazon doesn't offer any of those benefits. So it ends up coming off as a cheap, locked down Android phone with crummy hardware and many of the good parts of Android missing. There are other cheap Android phones you can buy that offer more than the Amazon phone.

    What Amazon needs to do is offer something the other guys can't offer. Give customers free shipping on anything they buy from Amazon using their phone. Or maybe a half price Amazon Prime deal for the duration of the 2 year contract. Make it possible to add Google Services without having to root the phone. Stuff like that.

    Simply putting out yet another cheap Android phone is simply a race to the bottom. But a mostly stock Amazon branded Android phone with some cool Amazon services bundled in with it - now you're cooking with gas.

  8. Re:growth is good... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No, the taxes are not high. Government is not always evil. Some taxation is necessary. You are the one who drank the kool aid. We have tried the Reagan idea of cutting taxes relentlessly. We are in worse shape than ever. High time we stop trickle down and start feeding the roots. By taxing the super rich, ones making more than half a million dollars a year. Exempt first 200K and tax all the rest at some flat 25% or so. ALL, earned income, capital gains, gifts, inheritance, dividends, interest, carried interest everything.

    Some 33% of the fortune 400 have inherited their wealth. All six children of Sam Walton are in fortune 400. The Koch brothers, for all their manipulation and access to the government would have more money if they had just invested their inheritance in index funds.

    People without inheritance, even if they make it to top 1% by income, most of them will not be able to accumulate to make it to top 1% by net worth. Of the 97% of the Americans who don't inherit much, about 2% barely make it to a million net worth including their home equity. It takes 4 million to crack the 1% by networth mark. These low end millionaires with home equity are what counted to tout "95% of the millionaires are self made". Most of the people below the fortune 400 but in the top half of the 1% are all inheritors, with more than 15 million dollars of financial net worth. Working stiffs never get a shot at getting there.

    These trust fund babies are not as smart as their daddy or mommy who made the dough. How many children of Nobel prize winners win Nobel prizes? It is called regression to the mean, and these trust fund babies are below average. They control some 50% of all the investments. They reward loyalty not competence. That misallocation of capital is detrimental to all of us. We need to tax estates with more than 5 million dollar worth significantly.

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