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Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ
An anonymous reader writes: A pair of gunmen have stormed the office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and wounding seven more. The magazine had recently published a cartoon of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and witnesses say the gunmen shouted, "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad," before leaving. "Four of the magazine's well-known cartoonists, including its editor-in-chief Stephane Charbonnier were reported among those killed, as well as at least two police officers. Mr Charbonnier, 47, had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection." The attackers engaged police in a gunfire outside the building, then fled in a car. At the time of this writing, they are still at large. Currently, the BBC has the most information out of English news outlets. French speakers can consult the headline at Le Monde for more current news.
the religion of peace....
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Inviting inflammatory discussion?
If the first two threads are any indication....
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
There's a low but non-zero chance that we might actually have an insightful conversation about free speech and the costs thereof but I wouldn't hold my breath. One of the new civil rights is the right not to be offended by anything at anytime....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
All the more reason to share and repost the cartoon across the internet.
This is the response of the fascist ideology known as Islam to freedom of expression.
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
Actually, France has been dealing with a growing problem; namely, radical Islamists who have been busy turning entire neighborhoods within France into Sharia-run enclaves. No desire to integrate into society, and indeed, they'd prefer France become a caliphate.
Moderate voices, or efforts by moderate muslims to clamp down on this mess? Nowhere to be found.
The UK has been seeing a rise of this as well, and Germany has recently seen backlashes by neo-nationalist elements against similar problems found there.
Long story short, this is a hell of a lot more complex than you make it out to be, and points to a growing problem throughout the EU. The US sees only a small fraction of this issue (see also the town of Dearborn, MI) by comparison.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Charlie Hebdo is the name of the office you shot up, and i hardly imagine its going to avenge anything. 4 years ago, you firebombed the offices and razed them to ashes. It didnt work. Charlie Hebdo kept printing, and in the wake of something that would have sent any other newspaper in America scrambling to retreat Hebdo hardly seemed to care. Stephane Charbonnier, the editor in chief, issued a statement that referred to the attempt at censorship not as terrifying or vengeful, but just 'irritating.' You were nothing more than an irritation after property damage, but if history is any indication you've just opened a hundred new offices for Charlie Hebdos of all shapes and sizes. If you didnt want the prophet depicted, if he was in fact sacred, you've now effectively guaranteed Muhammad will be depicted voraceously, callously, and unabated for days to come.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Every media, newspaper, magazine, tv news outlet can provide their answer tommorow morning by posting direct on the front pages the cartoons of Mohammed - and simply state that Violence cannot, and will never win against the Pen.
However, media companies can also continue to self censorship as they have done now for many years, and leave small numbers of journalists and freedom fighters, to face these evil people on their own. Its a fucking call to arms - Its high time people understood on both sides that any form of respect towards a religion has to be earned and that religion will not be allowed to dictate what equates in terms of liberty and free speech.
This attack is the spear end of a much larger one on freedom, free speech and liberty by Islam and Muslims - and its been taking place over dacades. Its a serious fight, and should not end on the death of some Charles Hedbo office in France.
Here is uncensored video of the gunfight with a police officer, then the execution of the police officer. I think it's good for the public to see these kinds of things, so they can fully appreciate the reality of the threat posed to our society.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i...
Better known as 318230.
Terrorists are people, who feel more threatened by a drawing than by drones,
Terrorists are people, who fear small girls with books more than death,
Terrorists are people, who use bullets because their mind cannot work with words,
they are not scared by torture or surveillance, but truth and freedom.
Maybe instead of representing solidarity with a silly hashtag it'd better for us all to exercise free speech by posting a picture of Muhammad. Not an overly offensive picture either, a simple stick man would do.
This craziness isn't going to stop until the media and us people in general start standing up for the things that we're always claiming to hold dear.
Murphey's fighting Occam, and we're in the stands.
Clearly these gunmen were victims, and we should not judge them for their actions. They should be rewarded for standing up against the big bad papers for printing cartoons.
This is the real irony. The Prime Commandment of Islam is that You Shall not add gods to God.
That's the reason why so much Islamic artwork is geometric or calligraphic and does not portray humans or animals. Because apparently Muslims are so weak against temptation that even the slightest glimpse of a female body will incite the faithful to uncontrollable lust and any picture or statue is a potential idol to be worshipped in place of Al-lah, The God. Even children's dolls have been made suspect, though the Prophet himself gives them a pass.
When the Prophet is portrayed, it is with his features obscured or veiled.
In other words, they treat him as a God.
And a weak God at that. Any god who needs the violence of armed men against the unarmed to protect Him is a feeble god indeed.
The Qur'an says it over and over again: God will be the judge. If you have faith that God is the all-wise, and all-powerful, you should have faith that He will take care of himself and his own and that no force on Earth can truly harm Him or those under His protection. And certainly not some silly pictures, whether ridiculing the faith or sympathizing with it. To assume the role of judge and punisher in the name of the one who can create and destroy whole worlds is an act of unspeakable arrogance. And that is true regardless of your religion.
never mind the fact that this has been posted here well after it's already been on every other media outlet.. but why is this on /.?
Are freedom-of-speech issues not one of Slashdot's common themes?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
In the name of "Allah", who will be the next victim ?
Almost certainly a Muslim. Islamists kill more Muslims that all their other victims combined.
In fact... here's your answer: 38 poor saps killed today in Yemen who were minding their own business. All Muslims.
And don't think you (or at least I) are particularly better in this regard by virtue of being Christian. Christian extremists don't seem to have any more trouble with marching into Christian church services right here in the USA and murdering people they have religious disputes with.
and not blame an entire reliegon of 1.2 billion people for a handful of incidents, and fringe groups.
No I am tired of that argument it might have been legit 20 years ago but history in the mean time has proven its horse shit.
You be real. One religion in recent history has been responsible for the vast vast majority of religious inspired violence. Essentially two mainstream religions feature a scripture that preaches violence against its enemies, the Islamic and Jewish faiths. The latter does not have any prevailing interpretations advocating violence outside a small patch of land.
Christianity has the New Testament which is supreme over the Old and is very consistent in its advocacy of nonviolence. Where violence is "called for" the specified actor is nearly always God who will be doing the damning, smiting, cutting down of, etc.. Its not up to the individual. Generally this pretty compatible with modern society. They up the road can hope as much as he likes God will strike me down, as long as he does take the initiative himself I am not especially concerned. One can be a practicing Christian using most main line interpretations without doing much direct harm to anyone else.
Islam on the other hand host lots of prevailing interpretations that very much do require followers to attack others. Its not socially compatible at all. When polled you actually find quite a lot of support for groups like ISIS and Boko Haram from "western" faithful (ignorant teenagers anyway) even if they are not about to take up arms themselves.
These might be "fringe groups" but its a pretty damn large fringe compared to the fringes of other major religions.
I am not saying governments ought to step in an stop people from practicing their faith but I do think the rest of society might do well to express a little less religious tolerance and acceptance. A little social exclusion would probably lead lots of younger folks to drop it, and maybe after a generation or two most followers who remain won't bring it up often at all and will boil it down to a few annual excuses for naked commercialism.
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And yet Europe is not in flames, despite the EU having around 20 million Muslims and lots of people who aren't shy to express their dislike of Islam. How odd. You'd almost think the perpetrators were simply homicidal maniacs who also happen to be Muslims.
The purpose of these strikes is to provoke non-Muslims into reacting without thinking. If Muslims are integrated into modern Western society, then religious fanatics will have no power over them. That's why they're trying to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest. If you continue spouting absurd garbage like above, you're effectively supporting the terrorists.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Except that in the UK, the ban -- which they take very, very seriously -- actually DOES result in significantly less gun violence.
You may be personally opposed to a ban, but you can't argue in good faith that a bans can't EVER work when we have very clear examples of bans doing exactly what they set out to do.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
My hat's off to the murder victims. They had the guts and the courage of conviction to take on Islam. Let us honor these brave Frenchmen and their country.
My fellow Americans like to joke about French surrender and Googling French military victories ('no results found"). But that seems absurd to me because it's the French doing all the brave things while Americans cower in fear.
I do not see CNN or Fox News or Huffington Post or any other American paper taking on Islam. Politically correct cowardice is rampant in America, home of the chickens. American activists bravely take on Silicon Valley tech firms and Xbox gamers for misogyny while completely ignoring the Islamic treatment of women. That's like attacking a kid for playing with water balloons while ignoring the mafia guy next to him planting C4 car bombs. But I guess even cowards have to make themselves feel good by doing something... as long as there's no danger to themselves. Safety is important!
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
He's speaking about Jewish Law, not Roman Law, and he's speaking about Jewish prophets. Unless you completely ignore what he's saying, he's explicitly stating that Jewish Law is still in effect, and that his teaching are *in addition* to what his Father has already laid out. Note that The Father/Son thing isn't really accurate, either, because the Trinity is One, so it's really his own law via his other manifestation.
The *only* piece of Jewish law that he specifically overrides is performing sacrifices, as he states that he is the final ultimate sacrifice from now until Judgement Day.
So if you're a fundamentalist Christian (for example, a Calvinist) you adhere to the Ten Commandments because that's just as important as the direct word of Jesus, because it's the same god commanding them. This extends to the other lessons of the Bible. Being gay will get your whole town obliterated, so don't do it.
You cannot claim Christianity and then only use select passages to back your specific interpretation. Either you believe the *whole* book is the inspired message of your deity, or you're just engaging in a self-affirming tautology.
So you are 100% incorrect, unless you wish to parse words like the pharisees that Jesus so notably denounces.