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Is Kitkat Killing Lollipop Uptake?

BarbaraHudson writes Remember how Windows XP was "good enough" that people took forever to upgrade? The same might be happening with Kitkat vs Lollipop. "According to Google's latest Google Play Store results for early January 2015, less than 0.1 percent of all Android devices were using Lollipop. By comparison, the last major Android release 4.4, KitKat, reached 1.1 percent of its audience in its first month out. In January 2015, almost two months in for Lollipop, KitKat is still number one with 39.1 percent of the market. It's followed by the various Jelly Bean versions, 4.1.x with 19.2 percent; 4.2.x with 20.3 percent, and 4.3 with 6.5 percent. Trailing them is Ice Cream Sandwich, 4.03-04 with 7.8 percent, followed by antique Froyo, 2.2, with 0.4 percent."

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  1. Why do I want to upgrade? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What would using Lollipop do for me that whatever version of Android I'm currently using not? Is there a major benefit?

    1. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by bluegutang · · Score: 5, Informative

      It will display your alarm clock in beautiful blue and hot pink, colors not user-changeable, of course. How could you not upgrade?

    2. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does it also come with UI regressions, like the change around 3-4 that turned putting the clock into night mode from a one-tap operation into a 4 tap sequence?

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    3. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course! Look at the bottom of the screenshot. Does the circle take you to the home screen? Or the square? Better try both and see!

    4. Re: Why do I want to upgrade? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't it include performance and power management improvements? That's useful on its own. Having said that, most people are probably limited by the vendor-provided update offers anyway.

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    5. Re: Why do I want to upgrade? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doesn't it include performance and power management improvements?

      I don't know if it was the OS or google play services (I got an update for both at the same time, but in KitKat google play services used 20% of my battery doing not a lot. Searches shown that a number of other people had this issue, but strangely not everyone. With Lolipop its down to a few percent. It also has "battery saver mode", which as far as I can work out disables background everything and dims the display. Useful if you want to ensure that your battery lasts for calls and SMS, but you won't get any facebook, email, or other notifications

    6. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by Geeky · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's been fine on my 5. I don't think I've had a crash in Chrome yet and it seems just as quick as Kitkat was. Do you have any background apps that might not be totally compatible? All of my apps seem to work, but I have heard that some are flaky Lollipop (probably down to the switch from Dalvik to Art).

      I was hoping to like the new lock screen notifications, but there's not enough flexibility in how they work. I'd like to see per app settings that hide them from the lock screen but not the notification bar. The options seem to be all or nothing, so I went back to the lock screen notification app I was using under Kitkat anyway.

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    7. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No benefits so far, only cons, at least on Nexus 5.
      1. The new UI sucks ass, it seems that Google has forgotten that the devices do have more than two color displays. Why don't you allow user to change the color scheme?
      2. Simple things such as (un)muting the ring tone, which previously was easy via power button, is now a long operation with volume button presses, which usually takes multiple retries to succeed. Usually only the phone volume is changed, and eventually some of the presses actually changes the ringtone volume.
      3. The gallery application is also now ruined, as it forces the user to accept G+ account, or he can not access his pictures anymore. Way to go Google, taking pictures as hostages really makes the G+ positively accepted.
      4. When battery gets below 15%, the system starts nagging via notifications, making noises, and bugging the user, even if the device still has hours and hours of standby time left. Why not complain once and let the user connect charger when he prefers?
      5. Since the ART runtime is now the only option available, application development by on device debugging is completely useless, as it is unbearably slow. Even opening application may take a minute.

    8. Re: Why do I want to upgrade? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 5, Funny

      syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting ')'

    9. Re: Why do I want to upgrade? by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does. Either Anand or Ars, I can't recall, tested 5.0 on a Nexus 5, with encouraging results. So I upgraded, and found out the worst bugs were related to power management. While the number of wakelocks seems to have been reduced - props to Google for that -, my Nexus 4 just refused to sleep while plugged in, which meant longer charging periods when plugged to the wall and heavy discharging when plugged to a 0.5A USB port. As the only way to charge whilst in the car is via USB, I was very dissatisfied. Also, the new battery monitor is a major regression both in the way that it represents drain per app and on bugs. Wifi is listed as being always on, for instance. Add to that the unpleasant extra steps to unlock your device, such as having to swipe up to then enter the unlock pattern. Very annoying when it's an extra step that serves no practical purpose, especially considering how many times we tend to reach into our pockets to use smartphones nowadays. So, while Lollipop is indeed prettier, the major, showstopper charge bug and questionable UI deisgn choices made me revert to KitKat.

    10. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doesn't matter whether you go up or down from Android 4.4, but at least for me, the inability to use SD card properly makes it a broken system.

      I'll probably downgrade my phone from 4.4 to 4.3 if there's no lollipop for my device.

    11. Re:Why do I want to upgrade? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can root it and run this https://play.google.com/store/....

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  2. I probably would upgrade if I could, but... by opusman · · Score: 4, Informative

    They haven't pushed the OTA upgrade to my Nexus 5 yet.

    1. Re:I probably would upgrade if I could, but... by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Informative

      I got the update to my Google Nexus 5 and hated it. It was slow and buggy at first (5.0.1 fixed some things within the week), the UI was a little weird, etc. I really didn't like the look at all. I ended up finally rooting my phone and went to Kitkat with Cyanogenmod. I should have done that months ago.

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    2. Re:I probably would upgrade if I could, but... by Xest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah they wrote off support for my Galaxy Nexus after only 18 months so it's still on what, 4.3 I think.

      My Nexus 7 still hasn't received 5.0.

      So if people aren't upgrading it may not be because they don't want to but because Google is sloppy on even it's own brand devices at rolling it out.

      People wont go out their way to upgrade, if it doesn't come OTA to them then most just wont bother.

  3. Re:Just force them already by Cenan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah that is going to work well for people who don't replace their devices every six months.

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  4. Manufacturers by smallmj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe the phone manufacturers are being dog slow at rolling out Lollipop upgrades for their recent phones. We don't all have a Nexus.

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    1. Re:Manufacturers by redback · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have a nexus and im still waiting for my update

    2. Re:Manufacturers by sr180 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bought my Nexus4 specifically as it is NOT tied to a carrier.

      So did many others, and it doesnt matter. As Telstra Australia users have found, if you have their sim in the phone, Telstra restricts the updates - even though the phone wasnt bought through Telstra. Want the update? Simple drop another carrier's sim in the phone (who isnt restricting it - ie any other Australian carrier), and the update is instantly available. Update - return back to your Telstra sim. (I believe Telstra has started rolling out the update recently however.)

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  5. That's not quite how I remember it by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember how Windows XP was "good enough" that people took forever to upgrade?

    No, but I do remember that Vista was found to be so wanting that many people went back to XP, and those that had waited heard the horror stories and stayed put.

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  6. Not a good comparison by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think the comparison holds up well, because in the case of XP users had control of the upgrade while in the case of phones it's usually the handset maker and to a lesser extent the carrier in charge. Adoption of Lollipop is mainly a function of how many handset models ship with it installed and how quickly people are upgrading to newer models of phones. Most of the flagship models are shipping with some flavor of 4.2 or 4.4 on them, and enough people seem to have bought those models in the last year that it'll probably be summer at the earliest before we see the next cycle of upgrades start in earnest. The only way we'll see Lollipop uptake pick up faster than that is if Google manages to convince the handset makers to roll 5.0 out to phones like the Galaxy S4. It'd also help if carriers stopped insisting on different "models" where the difference is strictly in branding and the actual phone hardware is identical.

  7. Re:Competition by Monoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Didn't they make the same claim in the past only to leave customers with certain phones behind? Why believe them this time?

    MS can say all they want but their past behavior tells us their mobile OS updates are slow to come and they are still playing catch up on features.

    It would probably be more realistic if vendors and carriers guaranteed all OS updates the first year after a phone is released and after that just security updates until the phone is no longer sold.

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  8. Re:No by gsslay · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah people! You've had two whole months to be doing that upgrade! What's taking you so long?

    Anyone would think people had more important things to be doing than spending Christmas attending to their phone. All those poor androids out there running an OS literally 60 days out of date! It's enough to make you weep. I guess some folk just have no shame.

  9. Re:Competition by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The easiest way to guarantee that is NOT to provide any updates after launch and instead of "upgrades" start completly new lines of mobile OS. Remember? Windows CE, Windows Phone, Windows Mobile.... I have a GPS with CE lying in a drawer somewhere. It STILL has the most recent version of WinCE.

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  10. Re:No. Fragmentation is. by amalcolm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One man's fragmetation is another man's product differentiation/branding

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  11. Re: Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I switched to WP and hated it..

    The apps either didn't exist or were featureless, including Microsoft's own ones. Needless to say, I was happy to go back to Android

  12. Lollipop = Windows Vista by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Part of the problem is that Lollipop offers little new, but does destroy existing functionality. Google Calendar is much less usable than before. Personal and business email is now handled by the same application, making it much more difficult to keep private and business separate. Etc..

    In return, we now have fancy animations when you touch the screen, gee, golly, wow. Oh, and existing, well-known icons have been redesigned; just as an example, to go to your home screen you no longer press the house icon, now you press a circle. I'm sure some designer is real proud of that, but they must have forgotten the user-testing.

    Lollipop is Google's version of Windows Vista. I'm sure they'll fix it, but in the meantime I wish I could do a rollback to KitKat...

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  13. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironically, Apple fanboys don't have to buy a new device just to get a software upgrade.

  14. Re:No by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apart from Apple fanboys, I don't think anybody is stupid enough to buy a new device just to get a software upgrade.

    Then you are in denial, naive or just plain stupid. I work at a phone company that also happens to sell mobile phones, I assure you, plenty of people say they would buy a new phone just for a new version of the OS.

    The real question is WHY SHOULD I UPGRADE to the next version. Apple spews new features all over in press info and even TV commercials. You don't have to go looking for it, they tell you.

    Android on the other hand uses silly code names so it takes normal (i.e. non-fanboys) a long time before they even know WTF lollipop is, and the real kicker is ... unless you go digging, no one anywhere has given any reason WHY you would want to bother upgrading. The people rushing to upgrade to lollipop are the same ones that run beta OS releases, and thats why it has an non-existent user base. No one else cares.

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  15. There is no Lollipop update by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "There is no Lollipop upgrade available for any of my devices yet."

    There is no Lollipop update for almost all devices!. How the hell should anyone update.
    Seriously, do the jack asses that write these articles think that you can just install whatever the heck you want like a PC? I think they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Android ecosystem.

  16. Maybe people are waiting for the fad to die by jandrese · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple is in the same boat, but the new "superflat" UIs that are the current fad are horrible. It's rarely intuitive how anything works or what is or is not an interface element. I get that UI developers think buttons, switches, and sliders are ugly, but if you remove all of them it's really hard to use the device. People still aren't trained to swipe randomly all over the screen to try to figure out what mystery gesture does what, they just think the features are removed. Heaven forbid the UI tell you what gestures are available too, that would be cheating. Phones should be like puzzle boxes apparently.

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  17. Re: Competition by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've observed the following on my wife's Windows phone:
    - The Line app doesn't do emote pop-ups like it does on my Android phone. If you want to use emotes, you have to look them up manually
    - Her phone lacks turn-by-turn navigation, and won't narrate directions. It's useless as a car navigation device for those reasons.
    - As far as I'm aware, Tubecast is the only Windows app that'll stream to Chromecast, and I think it's Youtube-only
    - Daily reminders to reboot the phone, with the statement that they don't recommend continuing to operate the phone without restarts
    - All the games advertised on TV: No Windows Phone version.
    - No emulators
    - No on-device scripting environments
    - No on-device command-line
    - I like having my ssh +ftp clients+servers available on my phone, because they're easier than connecting a cable
    - No Dropbox app

    I am overjoyed that you don't care about any of the things I've listed...but I do. Most of the items aren't critical requirements on their own, but the combination of all of them together means that using a Windows Phone would be a serious reduction in what my phone could do, for me.

    My certainty is that the Windows app store lacks most of the software that I want.

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