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EFF Takes On Online Harassment

Gamoid writes: The Electronic Frontier Foundation has identified online harassment as a major challenge facing free speech on the Internet, and lays out its plan to fix it. They say, "Online harassment is a digital rights issue. At its worst, it causes real and lasting harms to its targets, a fact that must be central to any discussion of harassment. Unfortunately, it's not easy to craft laws or policies that will address those harms without inviting government or corporate censorship and invasions of privacy—including the privacy and free speech of targets of harassment. ... Just because the law sometimes allows a person to be a jerk (or worse) doesn’t mean that others in the community are required to be silent or to just stand by and let people be harassed. We can and should stand up against harassment. Doing so is not censorship—it’s being part of the fight for an inclusive and speech-supporting Internet."

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  1. Define "harassment" by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The route from "this is harassment that should be censored" to "this is something we 'all' disagree with so it should be censored" is a very slippery slope and the internet is piled high with the bones of dead forums who fell down that path. What is harassment? I can't say, "I'm going to kill you" but can I say "I wish you were dead"? Can I say "I hope your dog dies"? "You are an idiot for these reasons"? Can I say "Go play in traffic"?

    There are various hug boxes on the internet where even vigorous disagreement backed with reason is seen as harassment. A more appropriate question than "should harassment be stopped" is "Who should be permitted to define harassment for a community"?

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  2. Symptom, not cause by Sir_Substance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Online harassment is a symptom of a larger problem.

    Time was you could deal with online harassment by clicking the block button. The ability for someone to follow you across forums and services was limited. Today, we insist that people use their real names, link their accounts and allow friend-of-friend connections on modern web services. We make them input their phone numbers, of all things.

    We say to people "if you don't like it, don't use it". But there is no good reason for people to insist on these functions. They insist on them only because people have always been singularly identifiable, and some people find it odd to operate in a space where that might not hold true.

    However, there is a good reason to insist we trash them: cyberbullying.

    It's far easier to to dox people if you can google their name and get dozens of results. Far easier to follow people if they're linking their facebook account to things, and you've got a clandestine link to their facebook account. Automatic stalking.

    Yet, when people like me suggest that this "publicity by default" concept is bad, and say that people should be allowed to delete accounts when they no longer need them, we are told "it's a post privacy world, deal with it" and "everything on the internet is pubic and permanent, deal with it".

    Maybe that's not a good paradigm?

    1. Re: Symptom, not cause by Sir_Substance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're joking, right?

      She now has to actively spend time counter-stalking her stalker. The stalker may well enjoy that even more, and now she has to structure her entire life, including things like where she works, what routes she drives, where she lives, which friends she visits and when she shops around current and past locations of her stalker.

      If she has more then one stalker, there may be no valid solution. Maybe she should just not buy toilet paper today, and wipe her arse with teatowels, because there's someone in range of every shopping center?

      Good news, new idea for an app, for 99c I'll make you an app that will warn you when your stalker is within 2km. Spend an extra $10, get the addon that makes your satnav choose roads that your stalker isn't on!

      What is wrong with you, that you could possibly think that's a better solution then not letting her be tracked in the first place?

      What does she even gain by allowing herself to be tracked? Why would anyone want this? Why not just, and I know this is radical, not track people?

      Fuck me.

  3. Re:There's a bigger challenge... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we to assume that because France is having trouble, the EFF should stop and we should just not bother?

    Of course not. But the EFF is treading on dangerous ground. Up to now they have mainly defended individuals against government attempts to censor or stifle speech. Now they are talking about going after individuals, for what some consider to be speaking freely. Many people that have supported the EFF in the past, may not be so supportive of this mission creep. Some of the harassment has been egregious, but that doesn't mean the EFF is the appropriate organization to "fix" the problem, or to even say what the "fix" should be.

  4. Sure, Let's Investigate by Kunedog · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is /. and the EFF who are too, uh, "lazy" (yeah that's the ticket) to investigate the actual harassment. Once again, a Slashdot article makes reference to Gamergate in the context of harassment, but all the victims mentioned just happen to be on the anti-GG side. I'm beginning to have doubts that this is an honest mistake.

    Pro-GG people have been doxxed:
    http://imgur.com/BNlLKcn

    So was the creator of #notyourshield, and his workplace was harassed until he was fired:
    https://twitter.com/Moldybars/...
    http://i.imgur.com/9ieHMu9.png

    A prominent anti-GGer called for the doxxing of all Gamergate supporters:
    http://i.gyazo.com/5db582013ac...

    An article that claims to know all about Gamergate appears completely ignorant of the majority of relevant harassment, not to mention the Harassment Patrol. At least the pro-GG side makes an effort to detect, condemn, and report this shitty behavior, no matter which side it comes from.

  5. Offense or defense? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Say, for whatever reason, valid or not, you perceive me as annoying and contrary and generally pin-headed, and you undertake to call me truly despicable names in the most contemptuous and filthy manner imaginable. Every day. Until you expire. Are you harassing me? No. You aren't. It wouldn't even rise to the standard of mild annoyance. Why? Because I am immune to such rhetoric under all but the most trying circumstances, and even were you somehow to reach such a malodorous level of offense, you're still 100% within the bounds of acceptable speech in my book; I just have to cope with it (which would require just about zero effort, I assure you.)

    But the next person in line? They might break down into tears, wander off into the nearest bathtub, and slit their wrists if you simply called them a douchebag or implied they had too many pimples.

    Whose fault is this? What is our responsibility in the matter of such weak, unprepared, or broken personalities? Should we pad the very walls and take out all the tubs and razors and knives and muzzle each and every one of us to prevent poor Cluetard McDimwit from wrist slitting lest something rises to the level of offense in the dim, dysfunctional reaches of what passes for his mind?

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

    No one has the "right to not be offended." Being offended is subjective. It has everything to do with you as an individual, or as part of a collective, or a group, or a society, or a community; it varies due to your moral conditioning, your religious beliefs, your upbringing, your education; what offends one person or group (collective, society, community) may not offend another; and in the final analysis, it requires one person to attempt to read the mind of other persons they do not know in order to anticipate whether a specific action will cause offense in the mind of another. And no, codifying an action in law is not in any way sufficient... it is well established that not even lawyers can know the law well enough to anticipate what is legal, and what is not. Sane law relies on the basic idea that we try not to risk or cause harm to the bodies, finances and reputations of others without them consenting and being aware of the risks. Law that bans something based upon the idea that some individual or group simply finds the behavior objectionable is the very worst kind of law, utterly devoid of consideration or others, while absolutely permeated in self-indulgence.

    Prepare your kids, and yourself, for exposure to the opinions of others, and gird yourself appropriately lest there is (gasp) an encounter with differing opinion, surprising and/or not-to-your-taste behavior, or OMFG, someone intentionally being nasty, crude or stupid. Or all or the foregoing. It is not anyone else's job to do this for you or your children; and it is not anyone else's responsibility if your failure to do so causes unrest, or worse, in minds you failed to prepare. Including yours.

    In order to have freedoms, we must be educated well enough, and prepared well enough, to deal with them. If the fact that some cannot deal with them is sufficient to the cause to limit those freedoms, then eventually, they will erode away to nothing. Likely there will always be some personality on the borderline of collapsing at some provocation, imaginary or otherwise. Should we really attempt to tune our whole society to the lowest possible standard of discourse as a result?

    Think very carefully before you endorse force of any kind as a remedy for "offense." To borrow somewhat from Jefferson, if it does not pick my pocket, break my leg, or falsely portray my reputation in some measure likely to cause material or financial consequence... then no remedy is called for; no coercion of law appropriate; and no sympathy required.

    Having said that, the owner of any private venue has every right to set arbitrary limits on speech and behavior within the venue. You don't like it, leave. End of story. Such r

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  6. Re:There's a bigger challenge... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an asshole to anyone at any time.

    Yes it is. You do not have the right to physically harm, or threaten, someone. But you certainly have the right to offend them.

    Words can hurt people.

    Sure they can, but there is no constitutional right to not be offended.