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Canadian Government Steps In To Stop Misleading Infringement Notices

Dangerous_Minds writes: Recently, misleading notices were spotted being sent out by Rightscorp. Michael Geist posted the letter which, among other things, cites U.S. laws, says the Canadians could be on the hook for $150,000 (does not actually exist in the recent copyright reforms now in force), and that payments should be made directly to the company. Apparently, the Canadian government was not amused and has announced that they will be speaking with rightsholders and ISPs to address the concerns that were raised. The government says, "These notices are misleading and companies cannot use them to demand money from Canadians."

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  1. Re:That was quick ... by namgge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder which politician has been sent one of these notices...

  2. Wow! by umdesch4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That letter includes the work address and phone number of the CEO of Rightscrap. Good times are ahead, I'm thinking.

  3. Re:That was quick ... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably none. Despite the whining that people go on about the government here in Canada, they actually do productive things. They have stepped in the past to deal with issues from "autonomous government agencies" like the CRTC, but I'm sure someone is going to whine and cry about my post anyway.

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  4. Rightscorp CEO Info by andydread · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case folks would like to contact the CEO Christopher Sabec here is his info

    Christopher Sabec
    CEO
    Rightscorp, Inc.
    3100 Donald Douglas Loop, North,
    Santa Monica, CA 90405
    Telephone: (310) 751-7510

    1. Re:Rightscorp CEO Info by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Google Maps show Rightscorp's address as Santa Monica Airport: https://goo.gl/maps/IFgj5

      At first I thought this was a mistake. However, upon further consideration, this may also be an obvious choice location for any fly-by-night operation.

  5. Understatement! by davecb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is Canada, where we engage in somewhat British-sounding understatement. The police or courts may say they are be "speaking" to someone, and the words they speak may be polite, but the import of them may be very unpleasant to the listener. Americans might translate it as "hitting on him with a clue-stick".

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  6. Re:How is it misleading? by willy_me · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Canada extradites Canadians to the US on a regular basis. Typically, these people have committed a crime in the US and are being sent back to receive their punishment - also in the US. Only stipulation is that they can not receive the death penalty because Canadians do not consider it humane. The same thing applies to Americans who commit crimes in Canada.

    The American and Canadian governments have an agreement in place to prevent criminals from jumping the boarder with hopes of avoiding punishment. This has not been used for cases of infringement. If they tried, it probably would not work.

  7. Re: Governmnt acts quick by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Informative

    To clarify for you: Dr. Geist is a Canadian law professor at the University of Ottawa. He was not the one who sent the letter; he just posted it online.

  8. Re: How is it misleading? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Informative

    But, understand that a summary judgment will also stop at the 49th, as well.

    Unless the Canadian has US assets, mind you.

    Not necessarily.

    The distinguishing issue here is copyright. Current treaty law allows one to enforce copyright registered in one country in other member countries. The exact process for this is somewhat convoluted as the treaties (more specifically the WCT, WPPT, and the Berne Convention) have provisions included that require the signatory countries to set up processes for this enforcement and if there isn't, then the process in the registered country will be substituted as far as the requirements under the treaty allow (Berne Convention).

    Under this scenario, if someone violated a provision under the treaty- like copyright infringement- the author or recognized rights holder would have to use the system set up in the country the infringement took place and that system would have to suffice unless there is no protection in place. At that point, the authors home country protections (where the copyright was first recognized) could be enforced. So a lawsuit in the US could be enforced in another country if they signed the treaties and those governments should/could allow the "Enforcement of the judgements" to the extent as they comply with their own laws using a process called lex fori and Comity.

    Clearly here in this current situation, only Canadian law can be enforced under the treaty so an American company could only suit for infringement in Canadian courts under Canadian law. However, if Canada had no law concerning this or it was another country without a law, then a suit in US court would/could proceed and once the judgement is final, they would go to a Canadian (or other country if it happened in another country) court and ask for enforcement of a foreign judgement. The Canadian court would look at the reasons for the judgement, local law as well as the treaties claimed to be governing them, and if they found enough cause, would enter a judgement of the same without hearing the merits of the case. Now this judgement is enforceable under Canadian law in any way normally allowed in Canada (or other country).

    But it should be noted that most foreign countries refuse this quite a lot based on excessive punitive damages which means if a case proceeded in absentia (the defendant wasn't present) and the maximum legal damages were awarded, the foreign court would most likely laugh it away.

    So there is a way for a judgement to be enforced in Canada even though it is unlikely and would violate the copyright treaties.

  9. Re:That was quick ... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that they have done the right thing here.

    Done the right thing? Passed a law slavishly devoted to the copyright industry's wishes? So mindlessly copied the US version that it contained the same decade-known flaw, an absence of penalties for false-notices, fraudulent-notices, spamming robo-notices, allowing 3rd party companies to create whole business models around extorting fake "fines" out of people? How is any of that the "right thing"?

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