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Google Fund To Pay For 1 Million Copies of Charlie Hebdo

BarbaraHudson writes The Register is reporting that money set aside from a deal with France's publishers is going to pay for the printing of 1 million copies of next weeks' Charlie Hebdo, "Eight of the 12 people killed were journalists attending an editorial meeting, however, a senior editor and the magazine's chief executive were in London at the time of the attack. They have vowed to do a massive 1 million copy print run next week – Charlie Hebdo's circulation is normally around 60k. The cash will come from €60m fund (€20m per year over three years) that supports digital publishing innovation. The fund was set up in 2013 following negotiations between Google and the French government as a remedy to demands from European publishers that Google pay for displaying news snippets in its search results.

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  1. Availability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, so how do I get a copy as I'm outside France? Time to prove that the pen is mightier than the AK-47.

    1. Re: Availability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The shorter than usual survivor edition is being sold internationally next Friday. I heard that Easons will stock it in Ireland. Google to see if your country has a retailer for it?

  2. Excellent. by quenda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I vote for a cartoon of Mohammed and his six-year-old bride Aisha on the front cover.
        And a few Jesus & Moses gags inside for balance.

    1. Re:Excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I vote for a cartoon of Mohammed and his six-year-old bride Aisha on the front cover.

      To be fair, the marriage wasn't actually consummated until Aisha was nine.

    2. Re:Excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's all within the rules of Allah!

      Recently, the top religious authority in Saudi Arabia (our ally) informed that there is no age restriction on consuming women as long as they are physically developed enough to withstand the weight of the groom.

      http://wunrn.com/news/2009/01_09/01_12_09/011209_saudi.htm

      Ah, talk of coincidence, the Captcha word is "violator", lol.

    3. Re:Excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except people dont go round killing in king john of englands name, nor do they venerate or exalt him as some sort of "perfect human being".

      10/10 bait would take again

    4. Re:Excellent. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know what? If you want to publish some cartoons denouncing King John as a pedophile, I will totally support your right to do so.

    5. Re:Excellent. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      And, incidentally, John probably didn't consummate that marriage until Isabella was in her late teens.

    6. Re:Excellent. by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      You should look up thighing. Its not safe for work but given the knowledge of that, what you present doesn't surprise me. Make sure you search youtube for it too. There was a cool video where a female news repirter went off on some guy who was describing it as if it was manly or something.

      I've talked with several Arabs and Persions who say they were disgusted at the idea so it should not be assumed they all are like that.

    7. Re:Excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      1) Set up website
      2) Prophet!
      3) Profit?

    8. Re:Excellent. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Actually, most neo-Nazi groups, unable to attract mainstream white support, have over the last several years, been attracting Muslims. Even Aryan Nation, despite the fact that Arabs are not Aryans. The Judeophobic nature of both groups is one of the main things that bring them together, as well as the fact that they are both racist. So don't imagine that white supremacist organizations are the ones in the forefront of the faceoff against Muzzies: they are more than happy to associate w/ them, given their common Jew hatred.

    9. Re:Excellent. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Isn't King John I lampooned already thanks to his adversarial association w/ Robin Hood? Who would protest if this was highlighted? Reason it ain't is that he was already hated enough due to this enmity, and bringing up his pedophilic attributes would only serve to gross out kids following the story.

      Very different from Mohammed, who is held up by Muzzies as a perfect model of conduct, and whose pedophillic nature is the main reason for child marriage in Muslim countries even today. In Iran, after Khomenei came to power, the minimum marriage age of girls was lowered to 9, while in Afghanistan, most girls are married off at puberty. Same goes in the Arab countries as well.

    10. Re:Excellent. by quenda · · Score: 2

      Don't Christians believe that God raped Mary when she was around 12 or 13?

      Which bit of the Virgin Birth don't you get? Anyway, that totally misses the point. Christians believe some crazy stuff, but don't start threatening you if you ask a question like that, or joke about it. Down Brown doesn't get firebombed for writing about Jesus & Mary Magdalene.

      BTW, it was the custom for Jewish girls to be betrothed at that age, (ie puberty) and same in Mohammed's time.
      His marriage to Aisha at 6 would have been for political reasons, not because he had a preference. None of that is very funny in a cartoon though.
      The issue is not the sexual mores of 1400 years ago, but the violence, intimidation and bigotry of today.

    11. Re:Excellent. by davydagger · · Score: 2
      ha! really? From what I've seen, they've been far more likely to recruit jews against the muslims, who they see as the immediate threat, except in muslim lands, where its the other way around.

      As far as white supremecists go, their paterns are pretty damn predictable, don't expect them to do anything more than attack some westernized youth for "race mixing", while leaving the more ethnic people alone. The majority of their targets are liberal and socialist white people, especially those incapable of fighting back.

      One thing you will never see NatSoc do, ever, at least in the west, is fight a force on force engagement with a similar or better strength formation.

      In europe, expect some westernized arab teenager to get his teeth kicked in, and told to "go home". Don't expect them to really confront any hardcore jihadis. Even if they did, they are most likely to eventually call a truce after they agree to "stop race mixing", and go back to focusing on beating up leftists.

    12. Re:Excellent. by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      the top religious authority in Saudi Arabia (our ally) informed that there is no age restriction on consuming women as long as they are physically developed enough

      I don't think that even the more extreme versions of Islam allow you to eat women.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  3. Is google now about to become a target? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm left wondering if the people behind the attacks will try to get some of their more brain-damaged followers to believe that google is now a legit target, even though google had no say in how these funds were to be used.

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    1. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Almost but not quite. Anyone that doesn't follow their particular brand of Islam is a target. This includes other Muslims. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the news.

      The hero of Vincennes is as much of a target as the people he saved.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > You can't excuse what Charlie Hebdo are doing, no more than you can excuse what these people did to them,

      Insults aren't the same as murder in any sane or civilized society.

      Liberty is a difficult virtue sometimes (like any virtue).

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    3. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't excuse what Charlie Hebdo are doing, no more than you can excuse what these people did to them, but Charlie Hebdo themselves are responsible for provoking this tragedy.

      Easily the most evil, wrong-headed and vile statement I've seen on the net today, if not this week. You do Islam no favors by blaming the victim like this, sir.

    4. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can't excuse what Charlie Hebdo are doing, no more than you can excuse what these people did to them, but Charlie Hebdo themselves are responsible for provoking this tragedy.

      No, it is people like you that cause problems. You are one of these bigoted fucks. Here's a hint - don't fucking read it if it insults you! Capish?

      Blaming Charlie Hedbo is like blaming Jyoti Singh Pandey for being raped and murdered. People that think like this should be rounded up, and shown the great French invention - the guillotine.

      So get it through your thick skull. You have a right to be left alone, to believe whatever the fuck you want. But that stops once you stop tolerating each others' speech. Read that again - it says tolerating. And that is defined by the law of the land.

    5. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by itzly · · Score: 2

      Simply choose not to be provoked. That's the only solution that works. Your suggestion, trying to not provoke somebody else, doesn't work, because I have no control over what provokes you. Muslims in my country have been provoked by gay couples walking down the street, or by a Jewish man sitting in the park.

    6. Re: Is google now about to become a target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >I'm left wondering if you and your
      >brain-damaged, bigoted,
      >hypocritical peers

      The only one fitting this description is you.

      >will ever wake up and have the
      >decency and manners to stop
      >insulting moslems and islam.

      No. Why should anyone stop doing that? Jews, Christians, Homosexuals, pretty much everyone gets mocked.

      Perhaps Muslim countries should stop killing Infidels, LGBTQs, stop degrading women, stop censoring the press and stop being mediaeval theocracies. You know all those reason why Muslims are being mocked.

      Oh, I know there are a large number of decent, nice and friendly, tolerant and all around pleasant Muslims. Some of the nicest people I knew are Muslims. Perhaps it's time you stop uniting with the asshole Muslims against the "evil" West. We are not against Muslims. We are against asshole Muslims and their over sensitiveness and their habit to try to enforce their rules elsewhere.

      >You don't insult people over their
      >bald heads, black skin, or
      >overweight body, or their ethnicity,

      Wrong. That's being done all the time. And no one gets killed for doing so. If you think it's right to kill or hate because you religion is mocked there is something wrong - with you and your religion.

      >so why do you think it's ok to insult
      > an entire group of people over
      > their religion?

      Because it is ok. I couldn't give a flying duck if your religion is being mocked. I couldn't care less.

      >You speak of Google becoming a
      >"target", but did you ever realize '>that moslem and islams have been
      >targets for years, for insults,
      >ridicule, taunting, mocking and
      >provocation?

      So what??? No mocking can ever justify violence. Never ever.

      >Moslems disagree over islam,
      >moslems have concerns over islam,
      >moslems debate islam, and
      >moslems criticize islam, so why
      >can't you?

      Most people are not Muslims?
      And Islam is being discussed. But satire are a form of debate. That's what you don't get.

      >Why do you and little shit
      >magazines like Charlie Hebdo have
      >to stoop to the level of small
      >children and insult with the only
      >intent of provoking an angry
      >reaction?

      Because we can. Because we don't live in a theocracy. Because the Muslim rules don't apply here. End of story.

      >Is that what democracy and
      >freedom of speech means to you,
      >to be reserved to insult anyone or
      >a group of people for anything you
      >want, as opposed to sensibly
      >debate it?

      Yes. To have the possibility to do so if we want. Yes. Next question?

      >You can't excuse what Charlie
      >Hebdo are doing,

      Yes we can. It's called freedom of speech and freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Like in any decent country.

      >no more than you can excuse what
      >these people did to them,

      Cartoons are not equal to mass murder. The end.

      >but Charlie Hebdo themselves are
      >responsible for provoking this
      >tragedy.

      Victim blaming at its finest.

      Piss off, shut the fuck up, get the fuck out of here and don't come back.

    7. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by excelsior_gr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Charlie Hebdo themselves are responsible for provoking this tragedy

      Just like women that get raped are "asking for it" when showing cleavage, right? So, in public they must conceal their body under a burqa, right?

      Repeat after me: You cannot tell a journalist what to write just like you cannot tell a woman what to wear.

    8. Re:Is google now about to become a target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You can't excuse what Charlie Hebdo are doing, no more than you can excuse what these people did to them, but Charlie Hebdo themselves are responsible for provoking this tragedy.

      Maybe I'm wacko, but it sounds like your saying that Muslims are incapable of resisting impulses and are therefore presenting a clear and credible danger to themselves or others. If that is correct then it follows that Islam is a type of insanity.

  4. So... by koan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will it have a caricature of Muhammad?

    That's what needs to happen, millions and millions of Muhammad cartoons all over the World.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:So... by pushing-robot · · Score: 2
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      How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
    2. Re:So... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Informative

      On Wednesday, Sia launched the video for her single Elastic Heart. In it, Shia LaBeouf is in skin-colour briefs, play-fighting with a 12-year old dancer and actress by the name of Maddie Ziegler.

      Some consider it controversial and claim it is a depiction of child abuse. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have made the headlines had it not been that the Charlie Hebdo attack occurred on the exact same day.

      It is my contention that if we weren't now all crying for freedom to offend, we would all instead be crying for the censorship of offensive material. That's the human race now.

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    3. Re:So... by itzly · · Score: 2

      You're insulting me. Please stop it.

    4. Re: So... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just as people have a right to offend, people who are offended have a right to protest what offends them. The difference is that the protests of that video would have consisted of angry posts online and boycotts, not shootings. Declaring you are offended and "fighting back" with words is fine. Fighting back by killing those who offend you isn't fine.

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    5. Re: So... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just as people have a right to offend, people who are offended have a right to protest what offends them. The difference is that the protests of that video would have consisted of angry posts online and boycotts, not shootings. Declaring you are offended and "fighting back" with words is fine. Fighting back by killing those who offend you isn't fine.

      I agree wholeheartedly, and I never said otherwise. I was responding to koan's post and his suggestion that the appropriate response to the killings was to repeatedly publish offensive images. Now that I do disagree with. My point was that we will collectively still call for the banning of material we find offensive while simultaneously standing up for the right to publish material that others find offensive. I fully believe that if the CH attack hadn't happened on the same day as the Sia video launch, we would already have seen public announcements from major broadcasters telling us that the video would never be played on their channels. I may be wrong, but that is what I believe.

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    6. Re:So... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Did I imagine this video? Did I imagine these reactions? As I said, I believe this is what we'd all be outraged about if the CH attacks hadn't occurred the exact same day that the video was released.

      From the article: "Watching it, I realised that the intensity (Sia’s “emotional content”) was the reason it was jarring – the mere fact that the video wasn’t carefully benign, cheaply titillating or just plain boring, like so much else in the genre. In Elastic Heart, the grown man and the young girl are alive with feelings for each other, running the gamut from amusement and play through to fury to despair. What isn’t there is sexuality. In fact, it baffles me how anyone could look seriously at Elastic Heart and claim to see any sexual content whatsoever."

      Any "sexuality" is in your head, same as the comments collected on that obscure website. The vast majority of the comments I saw on youtube were telling people to watch the video a second time if they thought it had anything to do with pedophilia.

      What's outrageous (and maybe this video is a good way to point it out) is that we've pathologized any contact between even a father and daughter, to the point where fathers have become hyper-vigilant about not showing many displays of affection in public, of hugging for what seems to some people a second too long, saying "I love you sweetie", etc.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  5. Re:Wonder who is running Charlie Hebdo now by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a senior editor and the magazine's chief executive were in London at the time of the attack.

    They'll continue on, which is more than most people would have done in their situation. As for the fund, I would think that using some of google's money for this is a good thing (and maybe something they wouldn't have done voluntarily). Charlie Hebdo, like most papers, survives on advertising, and at least some advertisers are going to be relucttant (to say the least) to advertise with them given recent events. I doubt very much that they're "swimming in money."

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  6. Re:Wonder who is running Charlie Hebdo now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They didn't run any ads. Freedom is difficult when you depend of large companies.

  7. Not Google - The Government of France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google's giving them $300K, but the government is giving them $1.2M.

    While freedom of speech is a law that needs to be upheld, how many people would be happy with the government (or google?) giving an organization like stormfront a million dollars to publish pictures of Obama with a tail and a banana in one hand?

    1. Re:Not Google - The Government of France by Xenna · · Score: 2

      They push the buttons of everyone, hence the lack of reaction from Marine Le Pen. The Le Pen family has been the target of their cartoons more than anyone. So has the catholic church (hardly a minority).

    2. Re:Not Google - The Government of France by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      But it's worth asking: if a group of terrorists barged into the offices of Stormfront and killed their magazine's top staff members, would we feel the "right" action in response to this atrocity was to buy millions of copies of said magazine, and publish as many racist cartoons from that publication as possible?

      Charlie Hebdo published some pretty awful shit. Like a cartoon comparing raped sex slaves to welfare queens. There was no level of "down" they weren't prepared to punch to.

      Fuck the terrorists, but the right response to terrorism is to continue doing what you would have done anyway, not to blindly give kneejerk support to anything that can be associated as positive for their victims.

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  8. Re:My 2 pence by trip23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Charlie Hebdo is a cultural icon in France. Besides that, if you don't follow french politics/discourse you won't get most of their jokes. Here's an interview with R. Crumb which puts some perspective on the issue: http://observer.com/2015/01/le...
    the gist of it:
    Q: These guys were not trying not to offend, and that’s what an American media-conditioned mind cannot understand. The idea that yes, you offend those who abuse power.
    A: [Laughs.] No, they can’t.

  9. Re:Cheap publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google isn't trying to do anything. The money comes from France's publishers fund, and it's irrelevant to mention the source of that money. Using the source of the source of the money you'd get the headline "AdWords customers To Pay For...", and so on.

  10. Re:Wonder who is running Charlie Hebdo now by aaribaud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Charlie Hebdo, like most papers, survives on advertising

    Wrong. Charlie Hebdo is one of the rare newspapers in France (another example is le Canard Enchaîné) with zero ads, and which survive only from their readership.

  11. Re:How about anti christian or anti jewish cartoon by aaribaud · · Score: 2

    Charlie is not hateful a single bit, they're simply very offensive, which is different; but one may be mistaken anout it when one happens to be on the receiving end of their offensiveness. Besides, they don't switch targets over (long periods of) time: they are equally offsensive to all targets, without a discernable bias except based on what the current news gave them as the week's targets (side note: the remaining staff held an editorial meeting on Friday for next wednesday's issue. In Liberation's report of the meeting was this gem: one of the Charlie staff said "so, let's make this issue. What do we put in it?" to which another one answered "Dunno... what's in the news right now?" -- typical Charlie humor, like it or not).

  12. Re:My 2 pence by trip23 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's about the welfare-stereotype. Actuallly a good example of how how Charlie works. They use what's in the news and transform it into a tasteless absurdity.
    See here... http://www.quora.com/What-was-...

  13. No, it is not Islam, but the old Algerian problem by ikhider · · Score: 4, Informative

    Insulting the prophet does not carry the death sentence as during his life he was insulted, and worse. These attackers had Islamic precedent to draw from and had they looked it up, would not use the cartoons as justification. I submit to you that there is another reason behind this: http://www.independent.co.uk/v... There is no justification for the murders, but we can grasp to understand the underlying issues.

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    "SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
  14. Print? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

    I thought Print was dead...