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Silk Road Trial Defense: Mt. Gox CEO Was the Real Dread Pirate Roberts

rossgneumann writes The defense team for Ross Ulbricht, the 30-year-old man accused of running the online black market Silk Road under the pseudonym Dread Pirate Roberts, just dropped an unexpected new theory: Mark Karpeles, the CEO of failed Bitcoin company Mt. Gox, is the real Dread Pirate Roberts. "We have the name of the real mastermind and it's not Ulbricht," Joshua Dratel, Ulbricht's lawyer, said in court today. He plans to argue that Karpeles framed Ulbricht.

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  1. Grab the popcorn by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At this point, I don't care who the real 'dread pirate Roberts' is. I'm here for the show, and the show just got good.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Grab the popcorn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is entertaining is that this agent was actually after Karpeles in 2012 and 2013 as the DPR, complete with prepping search warrants on flimsy and thin theories and asking other agents in separate operations focused on Karpeles not to spook him and ruin his own investigation and reading them the riot act when they did spook him. So really he's just using the Agent's own history to cast doubt.

    2. Re:Grab the popcorn by monkeyzoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is an awesome development! That Karpeles is so hate-able.

        Has anyone watched "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" scene where Karpeles apologizes for losing everyone's money? It's hilarious. He says, in Japanese (paraphrasing here), "There was inadequate security, and we lost everyone's bitcoins. I am very sorry about that," and he bows down at the waist, and stays there (awkwardly) for an eternity! It's the funniest thing to see this pudgy Frenchman speaking Japanese and awkwardly performing these Japanese rituals.
      Here's a picture: http://www.dailytech.com/Mt+Go...

    3. Re:Grab the popcorn by aaron4801 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Karpeles kidnapped Ulbricht and made him work on the site. Every evening..."Good night, Ross. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning." Three years he said that. "Good night, Ross. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning." Eventually he wanted to retire. So he took Ross to his cabin and told his secret: "I am not the Dread Pirate Roberts," he said. "My name is Mark. I inherited this site from the previous Dread Pirate Roberts, just as you will inherit it from me."

  2. I miss Law and Order by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You see, *this* would have been the Ripped from the Headlines story of the century.

    I love, love, love this story. Murder for hire, drugs, computers, cryptocurrency, false identities, frame-ups, parallel construction. Oh man, I can't wait for the miniseries.

  3. Trolling by Forgefather · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's official. Ross Ulbricht is trolling the government.

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    "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
    1. Re:Trolling by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe Ross Ulbricht took over from Karpeles after Karpeles retired to Patagonia.

  4. "Your Honor, I have something to confess..." by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I am not left-handed."

    1. Re:"Your Honor, I have something to confess..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Judge: "Oh, there's something I ought to tell you... I'm not left-handed either."

  5. Karpeles: "I'm not the real Dread Pirate Roberts" by sirwired · · Score: 5, Funny

    Karpeles: "I'm not the real Dread Pirate Roberts either. His name was Cummerbund, and he's been living like a king in Patagonia for 20 years."

  6. Re:100% Pure USDA-Disapporoved Bull by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And now he's gonna piss off the jury,because they're going to smell it for what it is - an attempt to fool the jury.

    unfortunately, i think you are overestimating most juries

    their affinity/ understanding of soap opera level drama is way more than their understanding of basic tor networking or how bitcoin works

    get into the technical facts that prove ulbricht is guilty, and their eyes will glaze over and they will fall asleep

    start tossing random unfounded accusation smoke screens, the prosecution shouting "objection," the judge growling "sustained"... and they'll perk right up and start writing notes

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  7. Re:100% Pure USDA-Disapporoved Bull by drerwk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think the soundness of the theory is so important to the jury as is the fact that the agent was sure this other guy was the DPR, and now the agent is sure the defendant is the DPR - the agent has to admit to being wrong before and can be asked why in 6 months he would not have a new theory about who really is the DPR. I think it leaves a lot of doubt about the certainty the agent ought to feel about his theory.

  8. Re:100% Pure USDA-Disapporoved Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why wait until now?

    Now, they've got a Federal agent on the witness stand, they've gotten his files through discovery, and they're asking him to read from those files.

    Money quotes like "I have a wealth of evidence to prove that [Karpeles] is Dread Pirate Roberts"

    Did the Fed have a fully consistent theory of how and why Karpeles was interested in keeping a lot of bitcoin on the move?

    Who cares - the discovery produced excellent reasonable doubt from a prosecution expert witness.

    If they'd introduced this argument ahead of this agent's testimony, the DoJ would have made him temporarily unavailable until they reclassified his work on national security grounds. The prosecution's already halted the trial to have a meltdown at the notion that the defendant is entitled to a vigorous defense.

  9. Re:FUD by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do you also support contract killings? Because he ordered hits on a few people.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  10. Re:100% Pure USDA-Disapporoved Bull by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The juror is there to determine the facts of the case. The prosecution and defense are both giving their sides. The jury may decide that there's reasonable doubt, doubt but it's not reasonable, or no doubt one way or another. It's their call. They really don't care about the agent's theories, because they are not FACTS.

    You can present 1,000 theories about why there should be some doubt about you being the killer, including the police originally thinking it was someone else - but if facts, such as a video surfaces of you doing the deed, and they find the weapon with your dna and fingerprints on it, you're most likely toast. The facts trump any amount of theories.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  11. Re:100% Pure USDA-Disapporoved Bull by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you say this because the jurors are your peers?

    I've been on juries where the people with BS detectors were a vocal minority. It made me think: "What if I was on a jury where the guy with the BS detector wasn't so vocal?"

    The worst part is that on one of these, we found the guy not guilty even though he had obviously done it -- because the prosecution failed to prove their case but attempted to lean on BS to prop things up instead of evidence, leaving reasonable doubt.

    See, the prosecution thought they'd done enough because most of the jury was nodding and obviously agreeing with their argument. That one guy pointed out the fact that no actual evidence had been presented, just circumstantial evidence.

    Unfortunately, that one guy wasn't even me :) The prosecutors did a really good job until you broke everything down and tossed out what wasn't fact -- which on this case took days of being sequestered to fully untangle. Many others were really annoyed that the one guy wouldn't just shut up and let everyone go home on a guilty verdict.

  12. Re:FUD by jdavidb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you also support contract killings? Because he ordered hits on a few people.

    The U.S. government that is prosecuting Ross pays for killings every day. Why should they have a monopoly?