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Feds Operated Yet Another Secret Metadata Database Until 2013

A story at Ars Technica describes yet another Federal database of logged call details maintained by the Federal government which has now come to light, this one maintained by the Department of Justice rather than the NSA, and explains how it came to be discovered: [A] three-page partially-redacted affidavit from a top Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) official, which was filed Thursday, explained that the database was authorized under a particular federal drug trafficking statute. The law allows the government to use "administrative subpoenas" to obtain business records and other "tangible things." The affidavit does not specify which countries records were included, but specifically does mention Iran. ... This database program appears to be wholly separate from the National Security Agency’s metadata program revealed by Edward Snowden, but it targets similar materials and is collected by a different agency. The Wall Street Journal, citing anonymous sources, reported Friday that this newly-revealed program began in the 1990s and was shut down in August 2013. From elsewhere in the article: "It’s now clear that multiple government agencies have tracked the calls that Americans make to their parents and relatives, friends, and business associates overseas, all without any suspicion of wrongdoing," [said ACLU lawyer Patrick Toomey]. "The DEA program shows yet again how strained and untenable legal theories have been used to secretly justify the surveillance of millions of innocent Americans using laws that were never written for that purpose."

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  1. I predict far less outrage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's the Department of Racial Justice, after all.

  2. Now you know what a boiled frog feels like. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The temperature in the pot goes up gradually, so the frog
    doesn't notice the water is too hot until it is too late.

    And now all those in the UK, the US, Australia, and various other
    countries are boiled frogs.

    And the water is very hot indeed.

    It's all about control, you stupid senseless gullible sheep. You will be controlled or you will be
    dealt with so harshly by your superiors that you will wish you had submitted. Talk all the shit
    you like on you web forums, but at the end of the day you have all been subjugated,
    and you are no more free than an animal in a zoo. In fact you are less free because
    you have to PAY those who hold you prisoner for the privilege of being a captive.

    Right about now, many Americans are probably beginning to understand why alcohol
    consumption in Russia is so high.

    =>

  3. suppose we wanted to do something about it. Goal? by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think most of us would agree this has gotten out of hand. This federal government is completly ignoring the Constitution, and getting more brazen about it each day. As the Court ruled in Marbury vs Madison, "any law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void". Null and void, empty of any validity - because these actions are not within the powers delegated to the government by people, they are without force of law, but are rather unlawful acts by the people commuting them.

    Suppose 100 of us or so wanted to start taking action and enlisting others to take action, in an organized way. We would need to start by defining our objective precisely. We'd need a measurable goal, worded such that we could know when that goal had been achieved. It would need to be specific enough that we could all agree to pursue that goal and we'd know we were acting with unity. Unlike the Occupy movement and others, we could stand together with a clear message and a clear goal, knowing where exactly we wished to go would guide our path. Can anyone state in clear, concise and precise language exactly what we'd seek to achieve?

  4. Haystack Creation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So while you were calling Australia to your mom, the DEA was putting you in the 'drug dealer' database, because calling abroad is something that a drug dealer might do.

    Because at some point they stopped investigating drug crimes, and instead switched to spying on random people for random reasons and asking the question 'is this random person I picked a drug criminal? [yes/maybe]"

    And the answer is [yes/maybe] and never 'no', they keep the data always. Without suspicion of any crime, they keep it anyway. So they never say 'no, this person is not someone I am investigating for a crime and thus not someone I can legally spy on', instead, they get put in the 'maybe' pile.

    Drug dealers travel abroad, spy on everyone who travels abroad.
    Drug dealers have lots of money, spy on everyone who has money.
    Drug dealers want privacy, spy on people who buy home CCTV cameras.

    If select {travels_abroad, lots_of_money, cctv, calls_mom .... 50 other random choices} then drug dealer.

    This is not investigating drug crimes, this is defining arbitrarily chosen traits are equivalent to crime in order to justify mass surveillance.