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Shanghai Company 3D Prints 6-Story Apartment Building and Villa

ErnieKey writes Last year, a Shanghai based company made news by 3d printing a bunch of houses. Now that same company, WinSun has accomplished something never seen before. They have successfully 3d printed a 6-story apartment building as well as an incredibly detailed home. The structures were unveiled at the Suzhou Industrial Park. "These two houses are in full compliance with the relevant national standards," Ma Rongquan, the Chief engineer of China Construction No.8 Engineering Bureau, explained. "It is safe, reliable, and features a good integration of architecture and decoration. But as there is no specific national standard for 3D printing architecture, we need to revise and improve such a standard for the future."

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  1. TFA says 5 stories high by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

    And yet summary says 6...

    1. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

      well you can stand on the roof

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    2. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      And yet summary says 6...

      One of TFA says 5 stories and the other FA says 6 stories. I guess it all depends on how you like to count. But I am going with 5 stories as that is the number of windows high the apartment block is, and that particular FA seems to be the more authoritative one.

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    3. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The first article actually states both 5 and 6 storeys. Judging from the picture however, 5 seems to be right, unless there is a basement and you are counting that.

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    4. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Note that usage of "floor/story count" for buildings varies from place to place.

      As an example, in the USA, the ground floor counts, while in Europe only the floors/stories above ground floor count.

      Don't know how they count such things in China, and don't know whether there were typos in TFA or /. summary, so further deponent sayeth not.

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    5. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by hattig · · Score: 1

      Indeed, in the UK the first floor is on the floor above the ground floor, whilst in the US it is the ground floor.

      However the ground floor is still counted towards the total number of storeys in the building in both places.

      The picture is of a five storey building, unless there is a smaller construction on the top (lift shaft housing does not count).

    6. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by moronoxyd · · Score: 2

      As an example, in the USA, the ground floor counts, while in Europe only the floors/stories above ground floor count.

      You have differentiate between numbering (naming) the floors and counting the numbers of floors in a building.
      A five storey building is a five storey building, but some number the floors from floor 1 to floor 5, others count ground floor, 1st floor, 2nd floor...

      Also, not all of Europe is the same. Here in Germany we have both variants, depending on region and design of the buildings.

    7. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In China, ground floor is numbered "1". So it's likely that you are correct!

      My GF is chinese ;)

    8. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      My thoughts are along the lines of "Did steel rebar get placed in the building?" I'm not a civil engineer, but I've noticed that buildings without 'rebar tend to do some wierd stuff after an earthquake.

    9. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, after looking at the pictures it's pretty clear that it is 4 floors above ground floor!

      I guess translating back and forth too many times ended up with at least one extra floor in the summary ;)

        (unless counting the basement or underground parking)

    10. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Are we starting from 0 or 1?

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    11. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, posting as AC because I RTFA (looked at pictures).

    12. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top floor will be named "Floor 6" though as the Chinese don't like to use the number 4. No one wants to live on the 'Floor of Death'.

    13. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many non-USA countries, a "story" is a floor above ground level. So, while (in the USA) I live in a two story home, standing on the "second" floor would be standing on the first story.

      It can be confusing, but that's life. It is a zero based system where the ground floor is zero. Same thing exists in many ships.

    14. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I don't measure my buildings based on how many floors they have, I measure them based on how many bathrooms they have. How many bathrooms does this 3-D printed building have?

    15. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Maybe it already sank into the ground a little.

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    16. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      So, undaunted, they built it again.
      And it sank into the swamp...

    17. Re:TFA says 5 stories high by terjeber · · Score: 1

      Note that usage of "floor/story count" for buildings varies from place to place

      Nope. The naming does, but the count doesn't. In my end of the world the first floor is the lowest you can get (unless there is a basement) but in the UK, the first floor is my second floor. We'd not disagree on the number of floors though.

  2. you can't print 3D books! by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    But as there is no specific national standard for 3D printing architecture, we need to revise and improve such a standard for the future.

    and how will that standard be published and disseminated?

    2D printers sigh with relief, they are still relevant

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    1. Re:you can't print 3D books! by Shoten · · Score: 1

      But as there is no specific national standard for 3D printing architecture, we need to revise and improve such a standard for the future.

      and how will that standard be published and disseminated?

      2D printers sigh with relief, they are still relevant

      Only until they find out how crap Chinese building standards are!

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    2. Re:you can't print 3D books! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      Launch all lobbyiests! Construction jobs must be protected. Engage safety argument memes!

      Oh oh.

      Oh oh:

      In total, 80 percent less labor is needed, meaning more affordable construction, and less risk of injury to contractors.

      They are way ahead of you on the masses manipulation meme serverville.

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    3. Re:you can't print 3D books! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Of course you can - in Braille.

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  3. Is it really inexpensive? by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure it seems cheap, but have you seen the prices on the refill cartridges? Outrageous!

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    1. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until the first windy day until you see the real costs.

    2. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by alphatel · · Score: 1

      Wait until the first windy day until you see the real costs.

      I can see the 2019 headlines now:
      Come visit the 3D Printed Tower of Pisa!

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    3. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      And just try to clear a rebar jam.

    4. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They must not make any money on refills until the third house is printed.

    5. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      What rebar??! And that's exactly the problem, the whole building would crumble in an earthquake! Perhaps it's a non-issue in Shanghai, but it is worth pointing out.

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    6. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by pla · · Score: 4, Informative

      FTA: "The walls and other components of the structure were fabricated offsite with a diagonal reinforced print pattern and then shipped in and pieced together. The company then placed beam columns and steel rebar within the walls, along with insulation, reserving space for pipe lines, windows and doors."

      From the text and what few pictures of the actual construction material they show, it looks like they basically print it with voids specifically for skewering it with rebar on-site.

      Now, whether or not you trust the final assembler to actually *do* so and then backfill the voids with some sort of mortar so the rebar actaully has something to stick to... Well, we'll find out in the first big earthquake they get, I suppose.

    7. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      You honestly think in 2 seconds you can identify a problem that a bunch of guys, who've spent years developing a technology, haven't considered, let alone addressed? Read the article, it only takes you 2 other seconds.

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    8. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by eggstasy · · Score: 1

      Because the world is perfect and none of our code ever had bugs or design flaws? And people never hype their crap, actively mislead and deceive us?

    9. Re:Is it really inexpensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you print it in Black & White...

    10. Re: Is it really inexpensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real world engineering is not like your crap code, kid. "Software engineering" is a misnomer. It ain't even a real job.

  4. No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is simply a way to cast concrete in a factory and then wheel the parts to the construction site.

    You still need to add all the plumbing, wiring, windows, doors, flooring, etc...

    Settle down with the hyperbole already.

    It's not any different from using factory-trimmed wood or pre-cast concrete steps.

    But just say "3D printing" and the mindless hype starts and brains turn off everywhere.

    1. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fair enough assessment. However I'd like to see you frame a house, sheet it, roof it, drywall it, put siding on, trim it, for under $4800.

      For that price, I don't necessarily think this is just "mindless hype".

    2. Re: No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the technology is cool. Although I worry about quality and structural integrity. I'll wait until I see more analysis until I take such a price for granted.

    3. Re:No one 3D printed a house by hattig · · Score: 2

      Well, it is "3D printing", albeit fairly coarse printing of large scale components. It's still a lot faster and cheaper (lower manpower requirements) than the alternative.

      Also the "printer" can do the work on-site (eventually), so there's no need for the factory aspect. It can print the components for an entire house within a day. Assembly is cheaper than construction. It might not be printing a finished house, but to expect that would be silly right now.

      As for finishing the walls, most houses require a plastering step anyway, even over drywall. The rough finish is actually better for that.

      I hope the 3D printed structural components include ducting for water, electricity, etc.

    4. Re:No one 3D printed a house by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It definitely is a cheap way to build a house. Although, most of the cost of buying a house has more to do with procuring the land then it does with the actual cost of building it. Might make sense in some places where cost of land is quite low. Although in many of those places, the infrastructure for building the "house factory" and transporting the house to the site would be the major problem to solve.

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    5. Re:No one 3D printed a house by quietwalker · · Score: 3, Informative

      What caught me was the claim that they printed it all in a day. Concrete of any quality quick-drying fast enough to sustain the weight of a whole building, vertically? Really?

      No, of course not.

      They're only talking about the walls, and they're making them off site. The same process is used for any prefab concrete structure. What upholds their claim that they're using 3-D printing comes in that they can make any combination of shapes quickly and easily, without the need for a custom mold or form. Instead of setting all that up, it's just computer controlled - thus the actual gain, an 80% reduction in labor.

      As others have noted though, we only have the company's word that it's safe. It doesn't seem like it has an internal rebar framework, or anything to sufficiently replace it ...

    6. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is simply a way to cast concrete in a factory and then wheel the parts to the construction site.

      You still need to add all the plumbing, wiring, windows, doors, flooring, etc...

      Settle down with the hyperbole already.

      It's not any different from using factory-trimmed wood or pre-cast concrete steps.

      But just say "3D printing" and the mindless hype starts and brains turn off everywhere.

      Next time your average builder tries to make some curved wall designs, let me know how the framer comes out with that.

      In the meantime, the guy with the 3D extruding machine is gonna crap them out faster than you can say play-doh. And with considerable strength, integrity, and curves never imagined outside of abusing southwestern adobe.

      And at half the cost.

      There are advantages to thinking outside the box. Literally.

    7. Re:No one 3D printed a house by hattig · · Score: 2

      The article shows an internal picture of the post-install inserted rebar and concrete pour into the wall.

      Also the plan would be for a printer to be installed on-site to do the printing of the components.

      I think the buildings should be subjected to strength tests of course, before taking their word for it.

      It's still a potential step forward in one aspect of house building.

    8. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Because otherwise... I was thinking "Oh my god how big must the printer be?"

      So at the most, they "printed" parts for assembling a building, at the very least they poured some concrete in molds.

    9. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Mente · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Although, most of the cost of buying a house has more to do with procuring the land then it does with the actual cost of building it."

      In the US, in 99% of the country, this is not the case. The land is fairly cheap. I've owned homes in NJ and FL. NJ is the most densely populated state. In both cases, the land was valued at about 5%-10% of the total value of the home. Even in the case where the property was on a pond on the 18th hole of a golf course.

      "Might make sense in some places where cost of land is quite low. Although in many of those places, the infrastructure for building the "house factory" and transporting the house to the site would be the major problem to solve."

      Also in the US, there are a good number of "pre-manufactured" home companies that already transport homes in sections to their final location. My sister has one.

      And I'm not talking about "mobile homes". http://www.allamericanhomes.co...

    10. Re:No one 3D printed a house by hattig · · Score: 1

      Indeed it is quite a shame that they didn't take the opportunity to show off these capabilities with these very boxy buildings!

      However ultimately buildings are going to have straight edges and not many curves, so a capability for curved structures may not be as useful as it first sounds. On the other hand I'm not an architect full of curved wall ideas thwarted by straight wall building practices...

      But half the cost and half the time (and not using loads of wood) is certainly useful.

    11. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In China? Or here in Canada? How can you translate that cost?

      And like the guy below says:

      "National standards in China are not what they are in most western nations."

    12. Re:No one 3D printed a house by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      Fair enough assessment. However I'd like to see you frame a house, sheet it, roof it, drywall it, put siding on, trim it, for under $4800.

      For that price, I don't necessarily think this is just "mindless hype".

      It might be interesting to know what $4800 USD is actually worth there in China, adjusted for 'cost of' doing whatever in China vs. the cost of doing it in the US, and making your comparison with that.

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    13. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      This is fundamentally new if and only if the printing is being done in multiple materials at once. Otherwise, it's just fast assembly of components printed elsewhere.

      A small-scale way of putting this is, when will we be able to print, in one operation, a usable baseball?

    14. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I have to do anything in order to critique or have an opinion? That's as stupid as having to be a five-star chef before you can criticize McDonald's.

      "I'd like to see you make a burger and fries for 5.99$"

      That wasn't my point and is an irrelevant statement!

    15. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've never seen manufactured housing (aka mobile homes)? That do that all the time, and delivery it right to your site ready to be hooked into the power grid and water/sewer.

      Don't like mobile homes? Try a modular home. Built in a factory with all the bits complete but in shipable-size pieces, assembled on site.

      Still too much? there are a dozen different panelization technologies that will send you prefabricated parts you just screw or connect together.

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    16. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is certainly some utility in the 4800$ 3D printed huts, much better than usual shantytown cardboard huts so many millions live in. There is also some utility in the (presumably) 3D printed artistic tiles, making unique designs like that makes sense. The 3D printed "villa" however.... No, just no. You will lose 10X over on finishing than what you saved on the walls and you probably will still end up with a worse result.
      It probably is possible to use 3D printing in construction effectively, but its a lot more complex than just spraying mortar all over the place. Print heads will need some serious improvements and the buildings have to be designed with the manufacturing method in mind. You wouldn't try to build a brick house like you would a wooden one, you wouldn't build a concrete house like you would eighter one, so please don't try to 3D print a house like any of these. 3D printing gives you certain degree of freedom you cant get any other way so utilize it. And 3D printing comes with its own unique set of limitations so design around them.

    17. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I have to do anything in order to critique or have an opinion?

      Your parent poster wasn't suggesting you do.

    18. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      You still need the factory to make the filament? And the factory to make the printer? Still a lot of factors involved.

    19. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Why do you assume buildings will always have straight edges? Recto-linearity seems to largely be a feature incorporated for ease of construction. Consider:

      * The only shape tree trunks come in reliably is "straight" - any curvature will be extremely difficult to match.
      * Any sort of stacked-block construction (stone, adobe, etc) needs to be capable of tesselating consistently so that subsequent tiers follow the same line: rectangles are by far the easiest shape to create consistently, and they only lay properly in a straight line.
      * for large-scale construction straight lines are by far the easiest to survey - just stretch a rope taut and mark along it's length
      * Modern mass produced construction components are all flat and rectilinear - again it's the easiest shape to produce consistently.

      As a counterpoint, consider cultures that had ready access to non-rectilinear building components: stacked flagstone construction for example will be comparably "gappy" regardless of the shape of the wall, and such ancient construction tends to far more commonly follow curves and ovals rather than straight lines. Likewise when using mub/cob, thatched pole, or tent-based construction you generally see circles as the dominant shape, and curves are more common that straight lines. (though this applies less to cultures that moved into such regions after already having a rectilinear tradition)

      Going forward: when using a medium with no shape constraints except for overhang limits, curves have many benefits:
      * Curves offer a much better area-to-perimeter ratio: 100' of wall will bound a 796 sqft circle or only a 625 sqft square. That's a 27% increase in living area with the same wall construction cost (and the same amount of thermal loss through the walls)
      * Curves are much stronger than straight lines - there's a reason large dams are all arched.
      * If you're printing the roof as well (and why wouldn't you?), the added strength of curves becomes even more important. You can build an extremely strong dome out of tiers of un-mortared stacked flagstone or tile, without any sort of support rigging during construction - good luck doing that with other shape. Considering that concrete is typically far stronger in compression than tension or bending, domed roofs will almost certainly become the norm, and any transition from dome to straight-line walls is going to create stress points.

      Contrast that with the downsides of curved-wall construction:
      * The dominant cultures on Earth are all acclimated to straight-line construction
      * long, straight furniture wastes a little space against a tightly curved wall
      * You won't be able to build anything that fits snugly against the curvature of more than one wall, unless some standard curvatures are established. ... that's all I can think of.

      So basically it's faster, cheaper, stronger, versus cultural inertia. I know which one I'd bet on in the long term.

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    20. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Pretty big, but not ridiculous. You bring in the printer components on the back of a flatbed truck, assemble it over the construction plot, and then just keep the cement pumping until you're done. Lot's of designs out there, and a few implementations.
      https://www.google.com/search?...

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    21. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Immerman · · Score: 1

      A baseball is made of a variety of different materials - a concrete or cob house, not so much. You can realistically print an entire house frame out of just concrete - walls, roof, and conduit. You still need to hang windows, blow in insulation, install plumbing, and pull wiring to make it into a house most Westerners would want to live in - but the structure itself, and hence a majority of labor, can be all one material, printed on site.

      Certainly being able to print in multiple materials will open up new possibilities, but that's nothing fundamentally new - once you can print in plastic, metal, concrete, etc (which we can already do), you're just talking about putting multiple dissimilar extruders in the same printer - hell, as I recall the RepRap mk1 was able to print in both plastic and frosting years ago - the frosting was used to provide a support structure for otherwise impossible overhangs. Seems like I've heard of them working with low temperature metal as well.

      There's very little new in the world - almost every advance is an incremental improvement on the things that came before. Where things become interesting is when a new technology matures to the point where it starts actually being *useful*. For 3D printing that has so far been mostly limited to rapid prototyping and a few specialty applications like rocket components and custom-fitted medical prosthetics. And now it seems we're at the point where printing buildings is beginning to become both feasible and very cost-effective. A timely technology considering that the global population is expected to increase by around 3billion people in the next 35 years, not to mention the opportunities it will see in the US, which is now faced with retiring vast numbers of buildings erected during the post-war construction boom 60+ years ago.

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    22. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Actually, for pretty much any sort of concrete construction you're going to have to finish the walls anyway - and the ridges seen here should hold a good layer of plaster far more firmly than a smooth(ish) wall would. And if it really bothers you there are also other concrete printers out there that include a troweling mechanism to deliver a much smoother wall - this technology is still in it's infancy after all, let the folks working on practical usage and cost-effectiveness focus on that aspect for now.

      You're also assuming expensive labor for finishing - while most places in the world moderately skilled labor is still pretty cheap.

      I agree that this construction is almost shamefully negligent of the strengths of 3D printing, but I suspect that for some time 3D printed houses will mostly look like what people are accustomed to - if for no other reason than to gain "acceptability". Centuries of refining the technology to expedite standardized, rectilinear construction has established how things "should" look. Lots of novel architecture gets praised for it's beauty and/or functionality, but very few people want to own a house whose novelty stands to drastically reduce the pool of interested buyers.

      As 3D printing improves though, and domed and biomorphic structures become cheaper than rectilinear construction (better surface-to-volume ratios, plus strength advantages) I think we'll see an increasing number of architects embracing it. It would be nice to see at least a few such designs featured in these early projects though - The "goopy lines" look might even be made to work with a more biomorphic structure.

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    23. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don Lancaster, is that you!?

    24. Re:No one 3D printed a house by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      This is in China.
      The same thing would probably cost $48,000 in the U.S.

    25. Re:No one 3D printed a house by Cramer · · Score: 1

      In the US, the concrete alone is more than that.. still sitting in the bags or trucks.

      Let's remember this was done as a stunt in China, where they build entire freakin' cities that no one lives in.

    26. Re:No one 3D printed a house by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      My Father regularly 3-D Printed structures 20 years ago. You start with a foundation that you fill with concrete. You then put up boards a foot wide all around matching the structure you want to build and fill them with concrete. When that is set and dry, you move the boards up and fill the next level, and so on and so on, making a solid concrete structure layer by layer.

      What is being described here is a pre-fabricated building being assembled, not 3-D printing houses or apartments.

  5. For a sufficiently low value of "printed" by tibit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The printed part is a concrete skeleton that acts as a form that needs to cure and then be filled with concrete. None of the finishing work is printed. It is basically a cast-concrete structure, where the typical metal forms were replaced with a 3D-printed skeleton. Of course the printed skeleton is a couple orders of magnitude rougher than what you'd get with metal forms, so the walls need heavy finishing before they can be presentable.

    What they've done is perhaps a step in the right direction, but they are very, very far from truly 3D-printing an entire building. First of all, they'll need to have an inline concrete mixer that can continuously mix a fast-curing mix, so that they could print shapes that are filled-in. They also need to change the shape of the nozzle so that the deformed (compressed) shape will be rectangular, and not oval as it is now. They really did everything without much thought or understanding of what it takes to do it right. It is, at best, cargo cult 3D printing. They did all the right moves without understanding what it really takes to do it.

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    1. Re:For a sufficiently low value of "printed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're printing concrete formwork that stays in place. Have you put custom formwork together and then taken it down? It's a lot of work. Sure, it's a rough finish, but that's exactly what you want if you want to adhere a stucco or similar finish, not something smooth. Pretty impressive bit of work, I'd say. Sure, it's not printing a finished house. It's doing something rather simple to transform an ordinarily labor intensive task into something far easier.

    2. Re:For a sufficiently low value of "printed" by killkillkill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they are very, very far from truly 3D-printing an entire building

      has anyone actually stated that as a goal, or are you getting hung up on semantics?

      They did all the right moves without understanding what it really takes to do it.

      I think you misunderstand more things than they do. Beside missing the intentions and goals, like above, you don't seem to understand that no matter how clean you can the printed structural wall, nobody will be satisfied with it and throw up sheetrock or paneling. The difference between doing that on a perfectly smooth wall and one with a finish like this is trivial if you have a package of shims. This tech enables a smaller factory to create a greater variety of precast structures and brings the setup cost to custom or low volume structural pieces down to the cost of design and eliminate much of the cost of equipment and setup of manufacturing such pieces.

      It also lowers the entry level to producing premaufactured modular structures. Give me the print head and printing material and I, as well a quite a large number of hobbyists, can build the 3-axis CNC and get Open Source software to run it. Give me an architectural engineer, some laborers and a forklift or two and the plant is ready to roll with production.

      3D printing in general has gone down a lot of wrong paths (like one of the main goals being able to print more printers) but when you treat it as part of the manufacturing process (rather than having the fantasy or ordering "Tea Earl Grey Hot") it's a step forward in our ability to produce as a society.

      Sure, it need further development, but not only is it a step in the right direction, it is a step with the forethought and understanding of how this technology could effectively be used in the real world in the foreseeable future.

    3. Re:For a sufficiently low value of "printed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The core walls are already clad for appearance sake, so I don't see much difference. I've directly observed 18 townhomes going up, and while the means by which the core walls are to be finished might differ, there shoudn't be too much of a diference.

      The external walls will be finished in a matter similar to the exterior walls in cinder block construction. So will the interior walls. For exterior walls, this typically involves anchors to hold the beauty wall, or perhaps the stucco forms. For the interior walls, furring strips will be nailed or anchored and the drywall will go on top. That is unless you need a secondary barrier between the structural wall and the interior wall, in which case the secondary barrier will be built into a non-load bearing wall that is anchored to the exterior one, and again the interior wall will be for show.

      As far as the continuous concrete issue, concrete is already plant-mixed in even smaller home construction, and then shipped in very large batches driven by concrete trucks. A hopper of sufficient capacity (to allow changing trucks) and a line of trucks is all that is needed for a continuous feed. In labs, they have already demonstrated ability to mix concrete allowing sufficient viscosity for 3d printing, but I am unaware of the post-set structural integrity of such a mix.

      In 3d printing you typically get a long cord that needs to fuse with itself. For concrete this is inherently less strong than having a giant viscous fluid set into one solid piece. If you look at the failings of most 3d models printed in plastic, they fracture along the filament overlay. For concrete, a slower set time might help, but slower set times are related to more watery solutions (which won't stack well without a form).

      They might find the right combinations to make it all work, but remember this is not a search for a perfect solution. It only needs to be good enough to survive the required strength conditions. Apparently we are there (from the articles); however, a building needs to meet those conditions over time, so it will be very interesting to see how these buildings age.

  6. structure by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    While they're "printing" concrete I'm wondering how the bonding between layers holds up. This looks like an automated shotcrete system to me which isn't great for ultimate structural integrity at least from what the photos show. They don't show substantial reinforcement in some of the photos in the article I'd be concerned about cracks and delamination between the layers during earthquakes or over time with general changes in temperature and humidity. I don't see how this is revolutionary since laid up concrete walls are being used all over the world in houses, apartments and warehouses worldwide. The guys come out, lay out forms, put in the reinforcement and do a continuous poor. Sure this may save on labor ultimately and the reinforcement could be pre-fabbed as well, so it may ultimately drive down costs.

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    1. Re:structure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      layers during earthquakes

      This is already a "problem" with traditional buildings all over the world. In areas that don't suffer from earthquakes buildings are just not built to withstand them.
      Also, in areas without freezing temperatures the buildings aren't made to handle cold.

    2. Re:structure by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Even the tropics get freezing temps. I'm not a construction guy but those walls looked really rough in their finish. Leads me to think that unless that is rectified they may have moisture/mold problems.

  7. That has a different meaning there by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    These two houses are in full compliance with the relevant national standards

    National standards in China are not what they are in most western nations. If manufacturing standards are what were applied these buildings could have been printed with asbestos and leaded paint (amongst other things that would not be allowed here) and the structural rigor of the design and material might well not be what would be viewed as acceptable here.

    That said, it is a good start. Now if we could 3d print a house that is safe for human occupation, that would be an even more significant step.

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  8. Now watch the Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    come in and slag it, because it's amazing and it was made by someone else.

    1. Re:Now watch the Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have to slag everything in UVHM , thanks to Gearbox shitty game design !

      Thanks , a lot assholes !

  9. Dont trust these at all. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    it's not 3d printed concrete. it's 3d printed mortar. It's not strong stuff. I have seen some of the US based building prints and I am not impressed at all. On top of this nobody has done any seismic testing or other stability testing on any of the builds.

    I believe it has potential, but not yet, and honestly building plywood forms and doing a pour over a welded reinforcement rod system is far far stronger than this. Plus they need a way to set in electrical and plumbing during the build process.

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    1. Re:Dont trust these at all. by hattig · · Score: 1

      Using a machine which measures a staggering 20 feet tall, 33 feet wide and 132 feet long, the team at WinSun started with a basic CAD drawing which they fed to the massive 3D printer that was able to fabricate the structure piece-by-piece using a specially formulated and patented ‘ink’. The ink, which includes construction waste such as concrete, fiberglass, sand, and a special hardening agent, is an incredible way to recycle general construction materials — not to mention it is flexible, self-insulating, and resistant to strong earthquakes

      Of course, this is recycled PR that might not be entirely truthful. The recycling of construction waste is a nice sounding feature. So it isn't the same printing material as the US based housing prints.

      The company then placed beam columns and steel rebar within the walls, along with insulation, reserving space for pipe lines, windows and doors.

      So there is still some manual work involved.

    2. Re:Dont trust these at all. by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      it's not 3d printed concrete. it's 3d printed mortar.

      Actually it's not even that. It's 3D printed concrete forms, which are then shipped to the site, plumbed, wired, and filled with concrete.

    3. Re:Dont trust these at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it has potential, but not yet, and honestly building plywood forms and doing a pour over a welded reinforcement rod system is far far stronger than this. Plus they need a way to set in electrical and plumbing during the build process.

      I agree forms are faster. Looks like it is hollow cavity (so you can run the electrical/plumbing) with gravel/concrete fill. Then with an exterior stick/tilt up finish. It also looks like they are not printing on site. They are printing off site and rolling it in and crane lifting it in. Then doing the finish.

  10. Champion by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    3D printing might receive my award for the most disruptive modern technology. It is obvious that there is a potential to replace almost 100% of the construction trades. And furniture makers might need to pray a bit as well. I am all for 3D printing but just like cell phones and personal computers 3D printing will have numerous ways of displacing human workers. There have already been boats built with 3D printing and I'll bet someone 3D prints an airplane in the near future. Automobiles with frames and bodies built by 3D printing are a distinct possibility. The displacement of human labor is accelerating rapidly. Yet US society has done nothing in preparation of the negative effects on the population. It makes no sense at all to wait until chaos is at hand to start reforming social practices to accomodate permanently displaced workers.

    1. Re:Champion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Moded-up so I have to post anonymously. You're absolutely correct in: " It makes no sense at all to wait until chaos is at hand to start reforming social practices to accomodate permanently displaced workers."

      We have to change SS, get rid of the antiquated working until you're 65 bullshit (not if we live so much longer); stop paying people to have kids they can't afford or raise - and start thinking about providing the basics of human existence (food and shelter) while not encouraging a generation of gimme-gimme moochers who don't add anything to society (knowledge, art, etc...) GLM

    2. Re:Champion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most hyped, you mean. I was also promised a leisure society 30 years ago when computers and automation were supposed to replace a lot of trades.

      Well, I'm still waiting. I'm also still waiting for the delirious 1960s space fantasies.

      " It makes no sense at all to wait until chaos is at hand to start reforming social practices to accomodate permanently displaced workers."

      Here I agree 100%. But you and I both know that waiting to the last attosecond is exactly what will happen. The power elite is not happy merely with being wealthy, they also NEED to see the rest of us suffer and beg. They get off on it. Therefore nothing will happen until it's blatantly obvious that things can't go on.

      They won't permit large sections of society to get all their basic needs met without first giving over their lives to the power structure.

      Don't forget, most jobs in a modern society produce nothing, but are simply a way for the billionaires that control society to transfer money to each other through worker's paychecks.

    3. Re:Champion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3d printing has been out for a long time; however, it isn't going to replace almost 100% of the construction trades. Cars are already built with robotic assistance, and large production furniture is sped up with jigs and automation. Where 3d shines is in the one-off; as there are much faster ways to subtract the unwanted material from a blank than the current rate of printing it.

      Want a table leg, throw it in a CNC lathe and pull it out. If you want to 3d print one, get ready for quite a wait. Assuming we could speed up the process, the lathe made leg is still structurally stronger. Assuming we could fix the materials problem, the layer-by-layer approach is going to be slower and more costly for any item where a less complicated approach is available (like the one path and rotate the form approach of a CNC lathe).

    4. Re:Champion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialism.

      Pick a group (I tend to stump for the 4th International), get involved, and bring about the future.

      The less we must be forced to labor, the more we may better ourselves, our communities, and realize our full creative potentials.

    5. Re: Champion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A leisure society is quite possible. Just not for you, and not until we've got rid of you. There's clearly an overpopulation problem with the 99 percenters crowding and stinking up the place. Automation is making those losers not only redundany but pernicious. Starvation is expected to kill them off within two generations, unless they try to rebel. In this case we expect complete annihilation of the proletariat within months.

  11. Re:Islam is a Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and Radiation is the Cure

    for aggressive cases like this a combination of radiation, chemotherapy, and physical disruption may prove better.

  12. No one 3D printed a house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This process was on Slashdot a while ago, there was a video of the printer operating. It is, in fat, 3D printed out of concrete, in place - or at least, on-site. Yes, plumbing and electrical still need to be ran, but it isn't a pre-fab shipped to the site.

    http://youtu.be/WzmCnzA7hnE

  13. Same problem as plastic printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    The actual commercial potential appears to have the same issue that 3D plastic printing does vs injection molding. Basically the cost of a mold is really not that expensive when you are making thousands of parts, and the production speed difference is just phenomenal.

    But sure, if the resolution was better I can imagine this being used for one-off or low volume boutique architectural projects where the part volume does not justify the cost of making pre-cast formwork.

    Maybe another decade and some material breakthroughs (a concrete that can be laser hardened or something for rapid print speeds) and it could be pretty interesting for the masses.

  14. Contour Crafting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...for concrete structures printed in place. The ability to print curved walls also makes the finished structures very resilient to earthquakes and such.

  15. Re:Islam is a Cancer by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

    According to Boko Haram, all it takes to destroy Islam is traditional printing on paper.

  16. Excellent by jason777 · · Score: 1

    3d technology is progressing one step closer to the day where I can pirate a Ferrari

  17. comes in handy by beefoot · · Score: 1

    I don't think it is necessary to print the freaking 5 storey building -- especially right in the city where building materials are readily available. One could do it does not mean one should do it.

    It may comes in handy and cheaper when one is to "print" a house in a remote location: arctic, remote islands, etc.

  18. Permits May Cost More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just built sidewalk cafe on an existing restaurant in San Diego, CA. The cost of the permit were ten time the cost of construction.

  19. Re:Champion -- uh hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, will the cold water pipes be 3d printed alongside that shotcrete? DWV pipes, too? How about the insulation around the hot water pipes? Oh - the 12/2wg wires and the boxes that must be embedded in the walls. Printed hvac and printed Cat6 runs. Printed shingles that will last 30 years in sunlight & snow. If not, we may need a few plumbers, electricians, roofers, and heating contractors.

    The building trades are notoriously conservative because their customers have to live with the results for decades, if not centuries. Choose the wrong plastic for your pipe today, and ten years from now you'll have a massive lawsuit over polybutylene pipe on your hands.

    And yes, there have been massive disruptions in construction over the past few hundred years - building materials and techniques have changed enormously. Most of these changes displaced some workers (no more hod carriers) and brought in new workers (crane operators).

    Moreover - do you want to live in a 3D printed house? It'll be the ugly, cheap tract houses that get 3-D printed -- those with enough money will specify materials that can't be printed, like wood.

  20. No standard? by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

    But as there is no specific national standard for 3D printing architecture, we need to revise and improve such a standard for the future.

    Um, why would the standards be any different than those already in place for any building? Just becuase it was "3D printed" doesn't mean we should change our standards, does it?

  21. Error by DoomHamster · · Score: 1

    PC LOAD LINTEL

  22. Pictures of the printer? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Seem to be a distinct lack of them, a bit surprising.

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  23. an incredibly detailed nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The detailed pats are not printed and the bits that are printed look like crap.

    Can we get of this 3D printing thing please or I am going to start an online gallery of what I print with the extruder I have between my butt cheeks.

  24. print waht? by sir1real · · Score: 1

    Pics or it didn't happen.

  25. They can 3D print a house, but.... by Flash+Modin · · Score: 1

    ...they still can't water the house plant.

  26. Don't forget to add the melamine! by Guru2Newbie · · Score: 1

    Mmmm...melamine. Tastes like chicken. With poison. Mmmm...poison chicken.

  27. China Doesn't Want You to Know by NewYork · · Score: 1