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Jim Blasko Explains 'Unbreakable Coin' (Video 2 of 2)

Today, the conclusion of my talk with Jim Blasko (here's part 1), who encourages you to go start your own crypto currency, because it's a fun exercise and because every entrant adds new ideas to the mix. As you'd expect, he's bullish about both his own Unbreakable Coin and cryptocurrencies more generally; how any given given currency performs, though, is an open question: U.S. dollars, Euros, or Yen may not go experience any meteoric rises, but their stability, even with inflation, is a nice feature, and so is their worldwide convertibility.

Regulation, speculation, fraud, and cultural fashions all play a role in making new currencies risky; reader mbkennel yesterday asked an insightful question: "Are you up to loaning bitcoin or something less popular for 10 years?" Confidence in any given currency can be tested with the terms current holders are willing to accept to make loans payable in that same currency. (On the other hand, if large companies will accept it in payment, they've probably got an idea that a given currency will be around next month or next year.) If you've bought any form of crypto currency, what's been your experience, and what do you expect in 10 years? (Alternate Video Link)

39 comments

  1. Who the hell cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did this guy suck Timothy's dick to get 2 stories posted? Makes me wonder what Bennett had to do...

    1. Re:Who the hell cares? by gatfirls · · Score: 1

      Pay whoever runs the ads some money?

    2. Re:Who the hell cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ./ Was clearly paid in " 'Unbreakable' Coins" to promote this story in return for getting the value to go up and then cash in. I'm not even clicking the video, the preview is some d-bag in a backwards hat looking jive.

    3. Re:Who the hell cares? by westlake · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder what Bennett had to do...

      He is working undercover as a Slashdot editor.

    4. Re:Who the hell cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give Timothy a break, guys. Being a Slashdot editor probably doesn't pay well, and he needs to supplement his income with these cryptocurrency pump and dump scams.

      Besides, I doubt that he's going to get a lot of takers this time. A lot of us Slashdot readers out there already learned our lessons about investing in crypto after the Bitcoin boom and bust, so most of these new Bitcoin clones never get any traction.

  2. I've got a question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you rich yet, Blasko? Can we start working on making me rich now, Blasko?

  3. ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    enduring complaints concerning crypto-currency." yeah, i bought BitCoin back in the day. sold it soon, too. made a little coin. kinda like betting in Vegas. for the lulz.

    1. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Are you up to loaning bitcoin or something less popular for 10 years?" Confidence in any given currency can be tested with the terms current holders are willing to accept to make loans payable in that same currency. (On the other hand, if large companies will accept it in payment, they've probably got an idea that a given currency will be around next month or next year.)

      That does not follow. A large company can accept Bitcoins and convert immediately to their local currency. That does not require faith in a long-term forecast.

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    2. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      enduring complaints concerning crypto-currency." yeah, i bought BitCoin back in the day. sold it soon, too. made a little coin. kinda like betting in Vegas. for the lulz.

      I suspect that there is an enormous selection bias in that people who made a lot of money with BitCoin are featured in (online) newspapers, those who made a little money comment in discussions and the other 80% who lost a little or a lot of money do not comment.

      Also, many people invest a lot in hardware to mine BitCoins (and other Coins), which is where their profits go entirely. That seems like a hamster wheel to me. Those people like the experience of learning about hardware and crypto-currencies. Then again, some people like running in hamster wheels too for fitness, so I think the comparison is not off by much.

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    3. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by Kobun · · Score: 1

      You beat me to the punch. Agreed.

    4. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by stoborrobots · · Score: 2

      At the very least, large companies need to anticipate short-term stability, which is I think what the quote was getting at.

      A small company, for which a day's takings in Bitcoin is only a fraction of the day's Bitcoin-to-local exchange volume can easily cash out immediately, and so has no need to have an expectation of long-term or short-term stability.

      A large company typically cannot convert a large amount of Bitcoins to local currency instantaneously without destabilising the exchange rate, so they need to have an expectation of short-term (e.g. month-long) stability in order to manage the transaction volume against the local exchange markets.

      Making (largish) loans in a currency implies expectation of decade-long stability.

    5. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by rioki · · Score: 1

      That does not compute. Why does a company, any size that is, need to convert heir daily/weekly/monthly earning in on go. What is so wrong about converting the payments into local currency as the payments come in. Sure it may make sense to batch some transfers so that the fees are minimized, but apart for that there is no reason to wait.

      In addition this is somewhat self regulating, when a company starts to accept payments in BitCoin, it will start low and slowly grow. When it gets large enough to matter the market will have adjusted to the drain. In addition, if a significant amount is taken out of the market and the people continue paying with BitCoin, it means that they need actually buy BitCoin from other currencies.

      The problem that companies face is that, if the services are priced in BitCoin, they don't know how much "real" money they will get. But mostly this is not the case; the services are priced, for example "5 USD payable in BitCoin, as by XYZ's exchange rate".

    6. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not follow. A large company can accept Bitcoins and convert immediately to their local currency. That does not require faith in a long-term forecast.

      If a company is going to invest in the infrastructure to do that, they need faith that Bitcoin will be around long enough for a sufficient number of their customers to pay in Bitcoin. The alternative option--not accepting Bitcoin at all--won't dissuade customers from most business.

      It realistically could take years for a company to meet ROI on their Bitcoin payment infrastructure. For day-to-day shopping, Bitcoin doesn't have much advantage over a credit/debit card for consumers.

    7. Re:ok. i'll play. "my experience is... by ladoga · · Score: 1

      That does not follow. A large company can accept Bitcoins and convert immediately to their local currency. That does not require faith in a long-term forecast.

      Implementing an infrastructure to handle a new payment protocol isn't free. Would you bother to add support for something that isn't going to be around?

  4. Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by davidwr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One use for cryptocurrency that isn't talked about much is as a gift certificate.

    If a store created a custom BC clone and pre-mined it completely, it could assign them an arbitrary fixed value (1 Slash-Dollar = 1 USD???) and sell them as gift cards. The advantage over a regular gift card is that the buyer can then split them and give the pieces to friends as gifts or even trade them on an "open market" if he wanted to (okay, that's being done now, but you get the idea).

    The company that created and pre-mined the cards would be on the hook for all transaction fees. Unlike a "real" currency like BC they could set an expiration date ahead of time or say that "after a certain date, we will charge a hefty fee for all transactions OTHER than through our store" or if the currency is designed to be "short lived," even "after a certain date, we will accept it for purchase at a discount, and this discount will increase each month until the currency becomes worthless."

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    1. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by mlts · · Score: 1

      There is another nice thing about that system. If the crypto behind the currency is ever broken, it matters less and less as time goes on.

      I wonder if there would be a way to have the currency keep a fixed value for a certain period of time, then taper off until it is worthless. This way, if I wanted a store currency, I could have one which would be valid for a year or two (with a -lot- of notice about the expiration date coming up), then after that time, I wouldn't have to worry about it.

    2. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Who cares about the crypto behind the currency, the only thing I care about with regard to a currency are what primary resources back that currency. The value of the land, the value of agriculture, the value of mines, the value of aquatic resources, the value of the economy backing the currency, the stability of the government that defines the value of that currency and their ability to protect the value of that currency. Those things will define how stable that currency is and whether or not you should bet you life on it because make no mistake that is exactly what you are doing you are betting your life upon the value of a currency. You life made up of food you need to buy, a place to live, the clothes you wear and of course payment for medical and dental services, lose the ability to pay for those and like as not you will die miserably and that is the gamble you are choosing to make. This is of course the reason why ponzi currencies should be banned because they are an unreasonable gamble for the public to take and like as not they will being taken by the first rank of currency grinders, those ripping off the gullible late comers, just like your typical ponzi scheme.

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    3. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by rioki · · Score: 1

      Do you know how bit coin works? How do you "pre-mine" a crypto currency. The mining process is part of the running transactions. If today all bitcoin mining ceased, no transaction would ever be validated. This thing with bitcoin is, there are no tokens that need to be mined. The mining process actually is just a clever way to authenticate transactions in a decentralized manner. That the miner gets something out of it, is just a reward so that people provide the computing power to authenticate transactions. Mining just sounds cooler than authenticating transactions.

      The alternative is to use tokens, but these need to be authenticated against a central authority... and that not a crpto currency as we understand it.

    4. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by rioki · · Score: 1

      Um? The only thing that gives the value to a currency is the shared trust in this currency. The "gold standard" or any other shenanigans are/where just smoke an mirrors to reinforce this shared trust. (Especially when going from minted gold and silver coins to paper.) But even the value of gold and silver coins is based on shared trust. Sure you can melt the gold and trade that, but there is not guarantee what the gold price will be in the future or that the next person will accept these coins.

    5. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the economy and society hit the shitter so bad that people are trading in gold, there are a lot of problems:

      1: Purity. Even the real guys get 100 ounce gold ingots which are in reality gold plated tungsten bars. In a barter economy, it will be pretty easy to reduce the purity of gold and do it without detection. Just like counterfeiting... you don't need to fool everyone, just one person or organization.

      2: Gold may be too rare. Currency must have acceptance before a nation or tribe agrees on who is rich and who is poor. Someone coming to an area trying to trade diamonds will be shrugged off at best. In a post SHTF world, people will be trading livestock and plants, as if a currency is too uncommon, it will be useless.

      3: Security. Someone coming in with a lot of gold coins may just realize that the area trades in ammo, and unless they come well defended, they might just have their coins forcibly removed from their possession, either by bandits, or some tribe with a "tax". However, if someone is powerful enough to have their own force, they don't need gold coins in order to take control of a region.

      Gold coins do have value, but it takes a level of society for the coins to be useful. In a post-SHTF world where people live and die on winning a fight versus bandits, the currency will be ammo, food, and medicine for treating wounds. Gold is absolutely useless until roads are safe for trade.

    6. Re:Another use of Crypto-coin - as gift cards by davidwr · · Score: 1

      The mining process is part of the running transactions. If today all bitcoin mining ceased, no transaction would ever be validated

      I'm pretty sure the first few BC's were "pre-mined" by the same person/group which invented BC in the first place, if not as a deliberate way to create BC then as a way to test the protocols, algorithms, and code.

      I addressed this general terms in the original post when I said "The company that created and pre-mined the cards would be on the hook for all transaction fees."

      In other words, the issuing authority would have to absorb the computational costs of adding all transactions to the blockchain for that currency. They would be "on the hook" because 1) without mining, nobody would validate transactions without imposing a fee, and 2) with transaction fees, fewer people would bother to use the crypto-currency as a "gift certificate."

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  5. WHY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why has Slashdot posted advertorials for Mr. Blasko for two days in a row now? Man has Slashdot jumped the shark or it isn't disclosure promoted content like it should.

  6. Oh look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another scamcoin!!!! Here's how to make your own:

    1. Create your own cryptocoin
    2. Mine it until a solo operation is no longer feasible and you have millions of coins
    3. ???
    4. Profit

  7. My take is different by Kobun · · Score: 2

    (On the other hand, if large companies will accept it in payment, they've probably got an idea that a given currency will be around next month or next year.)

    I don't think this is the most likely answer. Most likely is that the big companies have an instant exchange set up where a purchase made in bitcoins is immediately converted to dollars, and they charge their customers a small transaction fee in the form of an exchange rate difference.

    1. Re:My take is different by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      and they charge their customers a small transaction fee in the form of an exchange rate difference.

      So you lose money each time you use it? That sucks.

      I don't have that problem when I use real money. If something costs $10, I give the person a $20 bill and get $10 back. By your logic I might $9.95 back.

      What a horrible deal for the person using this crap currency.

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    2. Re:My take is different by Kobun · · Score: 1

      I haven't looked in-depth, but I'm guessing that the companies that are accepting bitcoin payments are behaving more like a foreign currency exchange transaction. The thing being purchased is priced only in the local currency, and they will happily take something else in payment for a small fee for what it will cost them to convert that payment into local currency. All of the chocolate that I bought in Germany at the airport with dollars, for example.

    3. Re:My take is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how Overstock.com does it. Payment is handled by Coinbase, who take your bitcoins and give Overstock the corresponding amount in dollars (with some cut for themselves, obviously).

    4. Re:My take is different by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      and they charge their customers a small transaction fee in the form of an exchange rate difference.

      So you lose money each time you use it? That sucks.

      Not quite. It also costs money to process transactions with credit cards etc., and even cash when you account for all the handling work. These costs are absorbed into the price, so actually you lose money no matter what the payment method. Solutions like Bitpay are actually a little cheaper than CC processing.

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  8. Garbage MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this garbage making the front page

  9. Cryptocoin with guaranteed value!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have developed a cryptocurrency that can never become worthless. Its value is indexed to a real-world service that is available everywhere. Mining for these coins is a deceptively simple process that should only take 15 minutes or so per coin. However, the total number of coins in circulation is limited by the fact that mining can only be done in one location by no more than 3 people at a time. In addition, there is often a refractory period, where no further mining can take place for anywhere from 10 minutes to several hours. Combined with a window of opportunity of less than 16 hours a day, you can see that the scarcity of the coin is a certainty.

    This coin, which I call "the Suckit" is tied to the average cost of a quality blowjob by an escort in New York City. "Mining" can be performed at my home between the hours of 6:00 PM and 3:00 AM during the week, and anytime on weekends. In order to receive your Suckit coin, you must, of course, suck it, and quite enthusiatically, at that. If your "mining" activity is successful, a new Suckit will be minted and transferred to you.

    Important restrictions apply: No minors (just miners), no infections, no diseases, no shirts, no shoes, and, most importantly, no biting.

  10. Irrational exuberance by VikingNation · · Score: 1

    Bitcoin and other crypto currencies all have a weakness. They rely upon security of end devices to provide security of the money. Banks have been targets for cyber attacks but tend to have separate networks to secure operations to move money. Security of mobile and desktop are not robust enough to meet requirements to protect money.

  11. Private currency by swb · · Score: 1

    I kind of wonder if a group of companies could create a kind of private currency that would be represented as a store credit, say Amazon, Google Play and maybe Alibaba (to pick 3).

    They could denominate it in dollars and provide incentives to customers and vendors to accept some of their income or refunds at a dollar premium in private currency as well as making it transferrable to other people (using a cryptocurrency model, maybe) as well as being portable to other core vendors. They could even offer to process transactions for other web site that wanted to be able to accept it.

    They might even save operating expenses if it became widespread enough that it allowed them to reduce currency exchange issues. A combination of Amazon, Google and whoever would also probably be deep-pocketed enough that there wouldn't be much risk of the credits being defaulted on.

  12. Won't work until state sponsored by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    all the modern crypto-currencies are anti-environment. The more you damage the environment, the more you can make. It won't be until the "crypto" part is deliberately dumbed down and a central authority placed over creation (but not transaction) that they will be anything but "fuck the environment" toys for the nutjob fringe.

    It was made environmentally damaging to limit participation. But putting creation to a central authority, and they can keep the creation calculations simpler and easier, but be the only authority allowed to create them. That will harm the environment less, and allow for wide adoption by people other than psychopaths.

    1. Re:Won't work until state sponsored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as any one is the central authority crypto currencies immediately lose the entire point of their existence.
      If you just want virtual US dollars we can do that already - it's the banking system as it stands that crypto currencies want to usurp.

      As for the environment there are many "proof of stake" crypto currencies (as opposed to proof of work-bitcoin) that have incredibly low power consumption already.

  13. 2 whole stories about a scam by DrXym · · Score: 1

    There's little money to be made from an existing ponzi so what to do? Start a new one of course! Announce a new cryptocurrency (while sitting on a pile of easily mined coins), hype it as the next in-thing to gullible libertarian types and exit with a profit. The main question is why /. is stupid enough to promote not 1 but 2 videos about it.

    1. Re:2 whole stories about a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check deeper Unbreakable is almost a year old with zero premine. Even bitcoins satoshi took the 1st million Bitcoins but the block explorers prove correct that UNB has no premine and under 2 million worldwide have been mined in total in ten mos.