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Blackberry CEO: Net Neutrality Means Mandating Cross-Platform Apps

DW100 writes In a bizarre public blog post the CEO of BlackBerry, John Chen, has claimed that net neutrality laws should include forcing app developers to make their services available on all operating systems. Chen even goes as far as citing Apple's iMessage tool as a service that should be made available for BlackBerry, because at present the lack of an iMessage BlackBerry app is holding the firm back. Some excerpts from Chen's plea: Netflix, which has forcefully advocated carrier neutrality, has discriminated against BlackBerry customers by refusing to make its streaming movie service available to them. Many other applications providers similarly offer service only to iPhone and Android users. ... Neutrality must be mandated at the application and content layer if we truly want a free, open and non-discriminatory internet. All wireless broadband customers must have the ability to access any lawful applications and content they choose, and applications/content providers must be prohibited from discriminating based on the customer’s mobile operating system. Since "content providers" are writing code they think makes sense for one reason or another (expected returns financial or psychic), a mandate to write more code seems like a good way to re-learn why contract law frowns on specific performance.

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  1. Bye_bye, Blackberry by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I very much doubt that iMessage will save Blackberry from landing in the bit bucket.

    1. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by monkeyzoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      The lack of Minesweeper for Mac was what always kept me on Windows all these years. ;-)

    2. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try Minesweeper Deluxe for Mac.

    3. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by jbolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is even worse than that in terms of this post. Their messaging service for many years was far and away the leader. It was so good in fact that the carriers were offering to give them institutional support by making BBM into SMS 2.0 providing they would go cross platform (i.e. a percentage of all SMS fees for many years). RIM/ BlackBerry turned them down.

    4. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They aren't 100% guaranteed to work on your preferred platform either.

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    5. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No one wants to switch from a Mac/Windows to a Windows/Mac system if their files or programs are not 100% guaranteed to work.

      When my vintage Black MacBook (2006) died last year after eight years of faithful service, I exported my data into neutral file formats (i.e., cvs and xml), switched over to my Windows gaming machine, and imported my data into corresponding programs. Minimal downtime. Meanwhile, I'm saving up for a new Mac system.

    6. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by unrtst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's part of what I can here to say/read.
      They're citing lack of a blackberry version of iMessage as an example, and yet where are the iPhone, Android, Symbian, etc versions of BBM!?!?!

      Regardless, their argument is retarded.
      "...if we truly want a free, open and non-discriminatory internet", then we actually have to allow any and all apps to use it in any way they want, rather than forcing them to make their thing available everywhere (and how far does "everywhere" even go!?!? My PC? Mac, Windows, Linux, BSD, Solaris, my ancient HP-UX box, the obscure vm's I run, the roku, game systems (ps3, xbox), what about older game systems (nintendo 64, DS, etc)). There's so much wrong about BB's statement that it makes my head hurt trying to figure out which is most wrong.

    7. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by Whatanut · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just to nitpick... BBM for Android and iPhone do exist.

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    8. Re:Bye_bye, Blackberry by fgodfrey · · Score: 3, Informative

      Assuming you weren't kidding.... The original MacBook (not the MacBook Pro, which has always been silver) and several follow on models were available in both white and black. See the Wikipedia picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

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  2. Please develop for my dying platform! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really?

    Net Neutrality means mandating that developers and services must create something that works on your dying platform? Does that mean that NetFlix will have to make sure it works with Symbian too? How about PocketPC 2003?

    What an idiot.

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    1. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is a platform?

      Is HTML/JS/CSS a platform? Does an application's availability via HTTP/HTML constitute bringing the service to every platform?

      What if Blackberry refuses to provide a compatible HTML browser? Is it they who are in breach, or should developers still have to provide an app for their alternative native platform?

      Suppose I port the application, but leave out some feature. Does that count? What if the feature I leave out is something like the "Investor Relations" link at the bottom? What if the feature I leave out is video? What constitutes an acceptably feature-complete version of Netflix?

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    2. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by zieroh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He is not an idiot, he is a politician trying to twist the meaning of the word "Net" and make it mean "Application".

      That makes him an idiot.

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    3. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by slashdice · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yo dawg, I heard you liked rumors so I made another rumor about your rumor.

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    4. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Funny

      That makes him an idiot.

      That is the pejoritive term for CEO.

    5. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In defense of Netflix, they support playing videos over HTML5 (with DRM extenstions of course). So if Blackberry would update their browser to support HTML5 with DRM, then blackberry users could watch Netflix on their devices.

      You talk like Firefox could implement it, which they can't. They need keys, those keys need to stay secret and the content needs to stay protected until you can hand it over to the OS/graphics driver and probably all sorts of other nasty liabilities and penalties if you don't. The music industry had to abandon DRM, but the movie industry is still going full steam with HDCP 2.2 for 4K and when they finally make 4K BluRay this year it'll be choking full of AACS 2.0, BD+ 2.0, Cinavia 2.0 and whatever else they can throw at it.

      I think they know this is their really last chance, BluRay looks pretty damn good (1080p, uncompressed sound) and 4K BluRay adds all the last bells and whistles like resolution on par with DCI 4K, high frame rate, 10 bit color, extremely wide color space Rec.2020, bigger dynamic range ,>HDTV 3D even if you only get half per eye, HEVC encoding... if you can rip one of those discs the source is likely to be better than anything you can play it with, so far there's not even a reference monitor at any price that can deliver 100% Rec.2020 coverage.

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    6. Re:Please develop for my dying platform! by zieroh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are you for net neutrality and against app neutrality (or whatever it's called)? This CEO should be applauded for bringing up this issue.

      Because they are fundamentally different than each other. Net neutrality requires inaction on the part of the ISPs, i.e. "do not favor one service over another". This so-called "app neutrality" requires that anyone developing an application is obligated to provide it for all platforms, independent of whether it is in their best interests to do so, and independent of whether the developer has the resources to meet that obligation.

      It is only by ignoring this fundamental difference that you can even attempt to equate net neutrality and "app neutrality". It is, however, intellectually dishonest to do so.

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  3. Open protocols by kthreadd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The solution is not that Apple should take iMessage to every platform out there, but that we start using open protocols instead like XMPP.

    1. Re:Open protocols by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I don't think his particular argument quite works. I don't think this is about "net neutrality" as I've heard the idea be defined. I don't think Apple should be forced to develop apps for other platforms.

      However, I do think that communication protocols, file formats, and related standards should be open and free (both gratis and libre). That is, should be as in "ought to be". I'm not necessarily opposed to legal requirements for making these things free, but I think it would have to be carefully crafted to make sure it didn't include loopholes or unintended consequences. In doing so, you'd probably need to limit the requirements to certain kinds of things.

      In abstract, if there were a law that said, in effect, "Built-in messaging applications on mobile phones must use protocols that are available to developers, royalty free, such that a 3rd party developer can create a client on another platform capable of communicating with those messaging applications with the same capabilities as the native client," I think I would probably support something like that. On the other hand, it would be silly to make a law that says, "All application developers and service providers must support all platforms."

  4. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would comment about that but, to abide by his thinking, I would have to respond in every language on the planet so that I don't discriminate against non-english speakers...

  5. Free and Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blackberry's operating system is proprietary and closed. Why would they be demanding support for their platform and throwing words like 'free' and 'open' around? Ridiculous.

    1. Re:Free and Open by Zeromous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a pretty unqualified statement. QNX is a rock solid embedded OS and is already everywhere. Buying QNX is why blackberry is still alive today to spout such garbage.

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  6. Yeah, and don't forget Palm! by monkeyzoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely. Companies should be forced to write their software for any single person that might want it on their hardware. Not only Blackberry, but also Nokia, and since I have an original Palm device, Apple should be forced to write all their apps for me too. And support them. And make sure they are bug free. They must expend the resources to build teams for this, and of course, it should be free to me. Oh, and I also have a a Radio Shack pocket computer from the '80s, and so everyone should have to write apps for that too. Otherwise, I am being oppressed.

  7. Pot, meet kettle by Neil_Brown · · Score: 5, Funny

    From BlackBerry's BBM page:

    BBM Video is currently only available for BlackBerry 10 smartphones. Version 1 of BBM for Windows Phone does not support BBM Voice, BBM Channels, Stickers, or location sharing powered by Glympse.

  8. Maybe they're reading from Blackberry's playbook.. by bogaboga · · Score: 3

    Chen even goes as far as citing Apple's iMessage tool as a service that should be made available for BlackBerry, because at present the lack of an iMessage BlackBerry app is holding the firm back.

    I say that because I remember time when Blackberry's BBM was a "Blackberry only" affair. Can someone please remind this CEO about those early BBM days?

    How about other Blackberry services that are only available on Blackberry now?

    Or should other companies' strategies include making rival companies relevant?

  9. Action vs. inaction by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This just seems bizarre.

    Net neutrality is about forcing inaction: an ISP is already providing service to a customer, but is not allowed to actively discriminate by not providing the same level of service under various conditions.

    What Chen seems to be proposing here is a requirement for action on the part of every app developer in the world, requiring them by law to spend their resources producing additional software regardless of any desire or commercial viability.

    I think we can safely predict how this one ends. It's amazing his PR people didn't stop him before it started, though, because IMHO it just reinforces the perception that BlackBerry is desperate and struggling to stay in business by any means it can find.

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  10. When did Bennett Haselton by AdamStarks · · Score: 5, Funny

    become the CEO of Blackberry?

  11. XMPP isn't the best, worse than competitors by raymorris · · Score: 3, Informative

    They didn't spend xx million dollars developing a new protocol and software for both server-side and client-side to replace their already existing Talk because Talk was working great already. They made that investment in order to have a better service.

    > how is being the only one using XMPP worse

    The key words there are "being the only one". You don't get interoperability by being the only one using the "standard". Instead, they were the only major player hurt by the limitations of XMPP. For example, XMPP is designed around a reasonably consistent network connection and fairly stable IP, while mobile phone IPs might change several times in five minutes. Synchronization of audio and video isn't great, etc.

    XMPP would have had the advantage of interoperability IF other major providers used it. Since the other major providers did not use XMPP, there was no interoperability advantage and therefore no convincing reason to stay with it, other than the money and time it would take to develop something new and switch.