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Why We Still Can't Really Put Anything In the Public Domain

Press2ToContinue writes While you can make a public domain dedication or (more recently) use the Creative Commons CC0 tool to do so, there's no clear way within the law to actually declare something in the public domain. Instead, the public domain declarations are really more of a promise not to make use of the exclusionary rights provided under copyright. On the "public domain day" of Copyright Week, Public Knowledge has pointed out that it's time that it became much easier to put things into the public domain. Specifically, the PK post highlights that thanks to the way copyright termination works, even someone who puts their works into the public domain could pull them back out of the public domain after 35 years.

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  1. What's unclear? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Along with your work, you provide a promise not to sue, giving up all your rights to the work in question. It's clearly illegal to do that with the intent of changing your mind later.

    It would be nice if there were a no-copyright-registration process, which would certainly remove any and all doubt. But it's not like it's unclear, now. If there's no promise not to sue, look for something else.

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    1. Re:What's unclear? by sribe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Along with your work, you provide a promise not to sue, giving up all your rights to the work in question. It's clearly illegal to do that with the intent of changing your mind later.

      Well, since the armchair /. lawyers will soon descend upon your post spouting off about how you can't enforce anything without a contract, let's just go ahead and get this posted: Promissory Estoppel ;-)

    2. Re:What's unclear? by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, since the armchair /. lawyers

      I object, your honor. Opposing counsel is clearly trying to prejudice the jury with facts.

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    3. Re:What's unclear? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's clearly illegal to do that with the intent of changing your mind later.

      Did you RTFA? The whole point is that it IS legal to change your mind later, and no amount of promises, or guarantees, or written contracts can change that. You cannot give up, sell, or renounce, your right to change your mind, no matter what you do.

  2. Perhaps ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... its a matter of pro-actively placing the copyright into the hands of a government entity chartered to hold it for the benefit of the public. Such an entity would have to be carefully created, with clear definitions of 'public benefit' and by-laws written to prevent takeover by special interests. The down side would be the creation of another bureaucracy that would need a funding source to operate. And would eventually leverage itself into a rent-seeking entity to serve its directors and other minions.

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  3. Heh... by Svartalf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bingo!

    You can't make promises or covenants of this nature with the intent of even remotely considering to revoke them. Your successors are also bound to them. Typically someone will bring up Promissory Estoppel and then raise Bad Faith- and then move to dismiss the case you brought against them...and most typically get it.

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  4. Re:Really? by Svartalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering that RMS didn't dream these licenses up, but rather Eben Moglen, you might want to contemplate who knows more about this... The law professor that actually teaches on this subject or someone claiming that there is a right of revocation in there that's effectively free of Promissory Estoppel and the like on the subject. Just because there's a law on one side doesn't mean other laws don't cause OTHER, equally bad problems on the subject and effectively preclude the hypothesized notion out of box.

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  5. Is this really a problem? by binarstu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both of the linked articles present this as if it is a major problem requiring federal congressional action. Several other posters here have pointed out, though, that actually pulling something back out of public domain via this copyright "loophole" might actually be extremely difficult or even (practically) impossible.

    It is perhaps telling that neither article presents a single example of a piece of work that was initially donated to the public domain by its author(s) and then removed from the public domain via this mechanism. So, does anyone know if this has ever actually happened? Given that neither article gives even one such example, I suspect this is not really a problem at all from a pragmatic point of view. Attempting to "fix" it by asking Congress to pass new copyright legislation could even backfire, because the additional provisions and changes that would inevitably get added to any such bill might end up creating new, real problems.

  6. Re:Overblown nonsense. by Jiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's how you clearly put something in within the law: (1) You declare it public domain. (2) Now, keeping it there: You simply exercise a level of ethics even a 5 year old understands: You don't go back on your word, because (for one thing) that would make you a major fucktarded scumbag.

    That doesn't work. Maybe a year later you get sued for something and the court orders that your copyright be transferred to the person suing you as compensation. Or you go bankrupt and your copyright is sold to your creditors. Or, instead of being sued, you die and the copyright goes to your heirs. And the new owner doesn't consider himself bound by your word.

    Furthermore, even if none of that happens, it's still not equivalent to public domain because even if you keep your word, someone who wants to use your work has no way to read your mind and know that you're the kind of person who keeps his word. So he has to act as if you could withdraw permission at any time even if you never would.