DEA Cameras Tracking Hundreds of Millions of Car Journeys Across the US

itwbennett writes: A U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration program set up in 2008 to keep tabs on cars close to the U.S.-Mexican border has been gradually expanded nationwide and is regularly used by other law enforcement agencies in their hunt for suspects. The extent of the system, which is said to contain hundreds of millions of records on motorists and their journeys, was disclosed in documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a Freedom of Information Act request.

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Cam-tastic

[JSG]

As a Brit, I'll feel right at home in the US now.

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[SternisheFan]

The fact that drugs are illegal is the true problem.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Just suck it up, citizen. Think of the careers of all those DEA and other law enforcement agents! You wouldn't dare destroy those jobs, now would you?

On the opposite end of the spectrum, they're suppressing the creation of jobs and an entire industry by maintaining a bullshit stance and justification for exiting positions.

DEA you want to stop heroin and meth labs? Have at it, but for fucks sake stop spending billions fighting a goddamn plant.

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[gstoddart]

What makes you think they give a damn about the Constitution?

It's now a quaint notion, and every law enforcement agency is making the case that they shouldn't have follow that ... and until a court says otherwise and starts throwing these clowns in jail, do you really think you get a say in the matter?

The law doesn't apply to law enforcement -- which means it's only a matter of time before the outright corruption and shakedowns becomes like every other banana republic where the police can do whatever they choose.

As soon as the feds started teaching law enforcement to use parallel construction, and effectively commit perjury and bypass your Constitutional rights ... everyone was pretty much fucked, because "law enforcement" is now about what they can make stick, not what they can prove through legal means.

You now have a nascent stasi, only some people still cling to the belief that's not actually happening, or that at the very least it's for your own good and therefore OK.

Papers please, comrade -- if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Just suck it up, citizen. Think of the careers of all those DEA and other law enforcement agents! You wouldn't dare destroy those jobs, now would you?

On the opposite end of the spectrum, they're suppressing the creation of jobs and an entire industry by maintaining a bullshit stance and justification for exiting positions.

DEA you want to stop heroin and meth labs? Have at it, but for fucks sake stop spending billions fighting a goddamn plant.

Then hurry up and vote it into legality, ffs. You act as if the DEA made the laws they are tasked with enforcing.

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[cayenne8]

Where in the Constitution it is not ok for them to do this? After all, you are on public roads, you still can go anywhere you want. I don't see where they are violating the Constitution here.

Remember, the Constitution doesn't grant YOU rights, those are natural. The Constitution is there to GRANT the federal govt very limited, enumerated rights. Basically it is supposed to be there to grant them rights and responsibilities, and anything NOT in the constitution is not something they are supposed to be able to do. This was the foundation for a limited, and minimally intrusive form of Federal Govt., which has been bastardized over the years, and many of us would prefer to have reigned in.

The govt is not supposed to be there to track me, nor put out a blanket dragnet of surveillance to try to find any wrongdoers out there. Especially at the Federal level. Possibly more able to at the state level, but at least on state and local level, you have a bit more recourse and influence over the local politicians than at a federal level.

Not to mention, if you don't like the rules of one state you are free to move to a more like minded state. If this is done federally and nationally, you lose that freedom.

But yes, the Constitution is there to grant very LIMITED and enumerated rights, roles and responsibilities for the federal govt. If it isn't in it the constitution, it should not be a power they have.

At least, that's the way and thought behind the construction and mandate of our govt. in the beginning.

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[SternisheFan]

Education and drug treatment is key to the drug problem, not draconian laws that jail and destroy the lives of otherwise law abiding citizens. Make all drug use legal so the cost is not prohibitive, and you will see a huge drop in crimes like burglaries and car theft and many others. Let's let Darwin's law sort out those who can't properly use them. Alcohol is a legal drug, been declared a drug by the FDA for over 30 years now. How did prohibition work out? Oh yeah, made millions for the mob and hootch runners, and didn't solve anything, later repealed. You want to be a coke/heroin/meth head? Go for it, just know how life destroying it is to you and the people around you. Want to fly a plane or drive a bus/car/taxi/ or any job that requires being sober? Be a good parent to your kids? No, of course you can't be an addict to any substance and be able to do those things. Lose your job, kids, whatever, and go live your life of addiction. The heavy drugs do own the user, this is true. That's the price to be paid for not wanting to live a decent life. But to have heavy handed laws that target citizens for personal drug use is asinine, and not productive for society. Smoke a joint, eat a brownie, shoot heroin, that's all fine. As long as no one else is affected in any negative way by your personal conduct, there's no problem except for the user.

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[jpapon]

The Constitution is there to GRANT the federal govt very limited, enumerated rights.

This is not really true. The Bill of Rights is a list of things that the government specifically cannot do. It would not be necessary if the Constitution didn't grant the federal government some pretty broad powers (such as the power to make and enforce laws).

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[blue trane]

But they don't have to break the spirit of the laws against unreasonable search and seizure, they shouldn't profile, and they shouldn't selectively enforce (HSBC money-laundered drug money, they were slapped on the wrist).

I'm reminded of the Dave Chappelle sketch about what would happen if drug dealers were treated like Wall Street criminals. Tron, testifying before Congress, takes the "fizzith" amendment to every question and gets off scot-free.

Welcome to the police state

[Ritz_Just_Ritz]

Hope...change....whatever.

Any excuse is given to erode civil liberties. If it wasn't drugs, it would have been something else.

I see what you did there.

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Apparently we have no right to go anywhere without car and license plate tracking, and facial recognition software on tens of thousands of cameras. Or in cyberspace without tracking everything. Or using credit and debit cards, to buy anything untracked.

Dictators of old would dream of such a thing at their disposal. England, having abused it badly during the revolution, would have caused the founding fathers to have banned it all...had they succeeded, which would have been far less likely.

More and more government observation can "be done by steam", in the words of Blaise Pascal. It shouldn't be. When politicians have a system "they're supposed to" get a warratlnt for (probably not even that in this case) but no penalty or even alarm if they don't, it will be abused to track political opponents to those in power.

Re:I see what you did there.

[gstoddart]

And any pretense of the 4th amendment no longer being completely shat upon is pretty much gone.

They're pretty much just doing general warrants/blanket surveillance, without probable cause, just in case they find something.

You are not a free society. You think you are.

Someone will say how China actually censors, and the usual sputterings about how you're still free -- but the reality is, every damned thing you do it monitored, tracked, collated, cross-referenced, shared, and cataloged .. and then is dutifully shared across agencies so that if one of them wants to trump up charges on you they can.

With parallel construction, and massive government sharing ... they can incriminate you any number of ways, none of which involve the truth, probably cause, or proper court oversight. If you become troublesome, they'll just sift through the vast catalog of your life and try you for something they find.

Papers, please, comrade.

Western society is pretty much fucked ... the only difference is if those in power will force us to pray, or keep us quiet with American Idol. But "security" is every bit the threat to us as religious extremists.

But make no mistake about it, our freedoms and rights ended on 9/11, and the US is steadily making themselves, and everyone else on the planet, far less free.

America has now become the enemy of freedom and liberty of everybody on the fucking planet.