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Researchers Tie Regin Malware To NSA, Five Eyes Intel Agencies

Trailrunner7 writes Researchers at Kaspersky Lab have discovered shared code and functionality between the Regin malware platform and a similar platform described in a newly disclosed set of Edward Snowden documents 10 days ago by Germany's Der Spiegel. The link, found in a keylogger called QWERTY allegedly used by the so-called Five Eyes, leads them to conclude that the developers of each platform are either the same, or work closely together. "Considering the extreme complexity of the Regin platform and little chance that it can be duplicated by somebody without having access to its source codes, we conclude the QWERTY malware developers and the Regin developers are the same or working together," wrote Kaspersky Lab researchers Costin Raiu and Igor Soumenkov today in a published report. (Here is the Spiegel article.)

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  1. Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    HTTP URL not working. Use HTTPS URL:

    https://threatpost.com/researchers-link-regin-to-malware-disclosed-in-recent-snowden-documents/110667

    1. Re:Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      HTTP URL not working. Use HTTPS URL:

      https://threatpost.com/researchers-link-regin-to-malware-disclosed-in-recent-snowden-documents/110667

      That's just the NSA tap getting overloaded, it'll clear up on it's own. ;)

  2. It was known before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to this article, Regin has been known for some time.

    Fox IT, which was hired to remove Regin from the Belgian phone company Belgacom's website, didn't say anything about what it discovered because it "didn't want to interfere with NSA/GCHQ operations."

    1. Re:It was known before.. by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Way more then just the website.
      More info on http://www.net-security.org/se...
      Not only the website, but "26,000 systems were found to be infected: email and share point servers, as well as the technical staff's workstations."
      Belgacom is the largest telecom operator and is also the largest ISP. I would guess almost all political individuals would at least use their phone system, but most likely also their internet.

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    2. Re:It was known before.. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Fox IT Has close ties with various governments that are known to run cyber spying operations and/or have questionable human rights records. I wouldn't trust those guys anywhere near my systems. Also one of the founders, Prins, is politically well connected and lobbies for far-ranging police powers, like letting the police break into private citizens' computers. These guys are Part Of The Problem.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    3. Re:It was known before.. by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "It needed to be replaced with something less detectable."
      It depends on where some gov backed malware is found, who is hired to remove it and who can ensure any code found in the wild is not passed to antivirus, spyware and malware protection teams for further global study and public discussion.
      A nation would allow its own private sector or academic teams to find the malware networking, create an expert team for the study and removal only to be told it would be done by a domestic intelligence organization.
      So Western nation could have teams find the networking used but nothing more would be mentioned in public and the western nation is left with questions about what and who is allowed to run in complex networks for years.
      The trust is gone.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  3. Outstanding achievement for Computer Science by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now our Malware/Virus software engineers are practicing reuse. Excellent development practice out there folks! Keep Reusing that code!

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  4. Actual Conspiracy by Strangely+Familiar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would seem our governments are at minimum committing the crime of conspiracy to break into US (and UK, Aussie, etc) citizens computers, if they are helping out foreign governments. They may have made themeselves immune for their own actions, but I highly doubt that immunity extends to helping foreign governments break into your own citizens computers. I have not researched this though. Just thought some people with more knowledge might chime in. If it is not illegal, it really needs to be illegal.

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  5. Real shocker by X.25 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And I thought it was IS/Russians/NKoreans/Aliens, because US and allies hold moral highground and would never initiate actions which they themselves consider to be acts of war, right?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...

    After all, it's ok if they do it. It's only bad if terrorists, communists and perverts do it.

    Crying wolf and all that.

  6. The NSA is a spy agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more likely they were spying on the Regin developers, stole their code, and modified it for their own purpose.

  7. Cyber terrorism ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we did it, it's cyberterrorism. If they do it, it's law enforcement.

    Assholes.

    These clowns are entirely willing to undermine the security of every computer on the planet to get their grubby fingers into everything.

    We need products which keep these guys out, and these guys need a serious beat down in the courts to limit what they can do. A few of them probably should be hung for treason.

    Morally, every black hat should be targeting these agencies to cause as much damage to them as possible -- because the damage they're doing to our freedoms is immeasurable.

    Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.

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    1. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We won't be around for much longer.

      Politically, economically and socially deterioration is setting in. This must be like what it was in Rome's last days.

      I was hoping we'd go the way of Great Britain. When they stopped being the World power, the average UK citizen's standard of living went up.

      If we the US were to give up the Carter doctrine, pull out of the Middle East and every where else we have US troops guarding oil supplies, we'd have a much more peaceful planet - gas, OTOH, would go through the roof and our "way of life" of cheap gasoline and perpetual war would end. And unfortunately, too many Americans would rather be at perpetual war and terrorized than have more expensive gas for their pickup trucks and SUVs.

      tl;dr: we Americans are a very short sighted and stupid people.

    2. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're mad because all the software available to use is security swiss cheese, and there's nothing you can do about it. But your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Linus and other "white hat" software developers who *could* write secure software but do not. Linux could be designed so that each app only has access to its own files, not complete user-level access. The kernel could be written in a safe language (a Rust-like language), where minor mistakes wouldn't let hackers take over the whole system. The kernel could cryptographically verify apps and modules. ...except making a safe system is too boring and inconvenient for open-source developers to do, and not demanded by customers of purchased software.

      There's evil all over the world. If the systems are not built to be secure then somebody will take advantage of that. Russia or China, organized crime, dictators. You can't shame all actors and if you manage to get one to stop taking advantage then you haven't really changed anything -- your computer is still wide open to bad guys. So be mad at the programmers for being lazy and careless, because that might actually result in safer systems.

    3. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not self-loathing, it's loathing of tyranny -- a fine, patriotic American tradition.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  8. When will there be justice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

    1. Re:When will there be justice? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

      Yeah, but most people don't see it that way. They may not like what the government is doing, but they still buy the terrorism angle. This type of thing isn't what gets people fed up enough to really do something. That comes with hunger or widespread violence, and we should all hope it doesn't get that bad.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    2. Re:When will there be justice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      General Alexander lied to Congress, denied NSA was spying on millions of Americans, pretended the NSA didn't have the technical ability. Has he been punished? Has he been found in contempt of Congress?

      No, he retired, set up a private company which banks pay tens of millions of dollars for some vague service, and the CTO of the NSA is involved as a consultant. In other words this is some NSA front company most likely. Yet another way for NSA to escape legal bounds.

      Tempora, the UK's massive full-take surveillance system, that the NSA queries using its UK base to avoid any legal questions in the US. The one they use to spy on British politicians, press and activists with the help of GCHQ (aka traitors to their democracy). Has any GCHQ staff been prosecuted for that? Quite the opposite, their agents in the Lords are busy trying to amend bills to make it legal!

      So who exactly is going to punish the NSA? Because everyone of those politicians is in the database, and politicians who step out of line find their private lives leaked to the press.

      UKIP MPs are the being targetted now, with their phone calls over the years, leaked. Who records phone calls of people just in case they become political MPs, then selectively leaks the most embarrassing ones? GCHQ and NSA, that's who.

      So no good people will make their way up the political ladder and no fix is possible.

    3. Re:When will there be justice? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this.

      Their elected representatives are to blame. They don't put real pressure on them to clean up their act. And how could they? Considering what it takes to have a career in politics, surely the NSA has too much dirt on each of them. So they occasionally put on a show but that's the extent of it.

    4. Re:When will there be justice? by andydread · · Score: 2

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

      Is this shown on the news? Have CNN spent a whole 2 days on it like they have a current blizzard of new york? or previously Inflategate? Nope So why whould the unwashed masses be upset if the fucking media is failing to report on it. It's not a blizzard, sports cheating or a plane crash so they are oblivious. We that read slashdot hear about stuff like this all the time. DEA cameras, NSA GCHQ etc. The greater "American people" do not. So they cannot be outraged over something that the media is not reporting.

  9. A call for Write Protect by Technician · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is time ro return to the Write Protect Switch. Passwords are no longer effective in preventing firmware alterations by hostile organizations.

    For those old enough to remember them, changing a BIOS required an EPROM burner and UV eraser. Changing CMOS settings required setting the write protect jumper.

    Early infections were restricted to Write Enabled floppies, hard drives for machines with them, and everything else was write protected.

    It is time to return to write protected firmware requiring physical access to alter.

    Our complacency with remote management is showing the error of our ways as we are compromised.

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    The truth shall set you free!
    1. Re:A call for Write Protect by mlts · · Score: 2

      The problem is that convenience got ahead of security. Until the hit on Sony, the biggest threat to companies was hardware failure. So, companies went with SAN installations that had RAID6, async replication via WAN, snapshots, multiple tiers, and deduplication. More backups needed? Add more drives, maybe a controller.

      Tape (and also optical, although optical has not kept up with the times when it comes to storage) became something considered a dinosaur.

      This model worked perfectly when the bad guys were logging in to copy off the plans for the next mouse trap, and then go about their business.

      The Sony hack has changed things. It only takes one command issued as root to completely purge an entire SAN of all LUNs and directories. Replication? The remote SAN will happily replicate the deleted directories and zeroed LUNs. Snapshots? Easily deleted.

      Even non storage items are affected. Firmware can be easily zeroed out, and bricking expensive machinery can be a victory for an extremist group looking for publicity.

      As stated above, it is time for physical write protect switches to happen [1], and it is time to start factoring storage tiers with offline (perhaps WORM) media... media that can't be erased with just one command.

      [1]: The best is a physical switch or jumper, but even if it is a button or combination of buttons held down, this is better than what we have now. We should never have left the concept of "flip to writable and boot from clean media to initiate the flash update process" behind in the first place.

  10. Re:I wonder... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

    ...when Snowden is going to wake up with a bullet in his head...

    Edward Snowden has released all of his information to news agencies. They are the ones now releasing this information. Snowden could die tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. The US government likely knows this, so there is no point in going after him. They may be lawless, but I don't think they would try to get him just for revenge.

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    "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  11. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Revenge wouldn't be the point - the point would be to send a clear message to future patriots that might try a similar stunt. Revenge would just make it more satisfying to do so.

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  12. Re:When in doubt, call it a "Snowden document" by mean+pun · · Score: 2

    Exactly what are you angry about? The article under discussion is from Kaperski researchers who are describing a relation they discovered between two different strains of malware. One of the strains of malware happened to be mentioned in a der Spiegel article about a recent Snowden revelation, but that is it.

    So be precise: who is claiming something based on an unproven document? What is it that they are claiming? Where do they do that?

  13. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A traitor to a corrupt, immoral, self-serving government, and a hero to the people for whom the Constitution still has some meaning.

    Your pal Hitler was big on medication. No wonder you recommend it.

  14. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure this horse is out of the barn, but there's lots of horses - that's why you want to make sure the others all hear the first one screaming as it's being eaten by cougars.

    I can think of only a few reasons why it hasn't been done:
    - To be truly effective it must be obvious that the US/NSA was behind it, and there may well be a fear that employing extra-legal methods to send that message would generate the public backlash that has thus far failed to manifest. A martyr can be far more powerful than a man.
    - Given that he is under Russian protection, any such action could be taken as a direct assault on Russia, and in the current international political climate that might be regarded as too great a risk to take. They seem to be positioning themselves as the spokesman of a new global power structure - no sense in ceding them any more moral high ground than they've already got.
    - The guilty parties still have some scruples (hey, nobody values their scruples like the man who doesn't have many)

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  15. Re: I wonder... by johncandale · · Score: 2

    fuck you. Snowden was like jesus to the jews. He didn't betray any values, only the crooks

  16. Re:NSA = No Sales for Americans by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Re: "People everywhere in the world are trying to avoid buying"
    Nations will just revert to paper, number stations and one time pads. Couriers, cults, faith, background investigations that interview friends, generations of family, teachers in person.
    Other nations have systems and trusted staff to revert back to. Expecting junk computer networks to just keep producing real global intelligence was a wonderful boondoggle over decades.
    The "most advanced espionage malware platforms ever studied" would then just find disinformation or limited hangouts been produced for the junk global networks :)

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