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R.U. Sirius Co-Authors New Book On Transhumanism

An anonymous reader writes "I've never been able to work up a fear of the robot apocalypse," admits R.U. Sirius, who more than 20 years after Mondo 2000's original guide to geek culture has again collaborated on a new encyclopedia of emerging technologies. As we progress to a world where technology actually becomes invisible, he argues that "everything about how we will define the future is still in play," suggesting that the transhumanist movement is "a good way to take isolated radical tech developments and bundle them together". While his co-author argues transhumanists "like to solve everything," Sirius points out a much bigger concern is a future of technologies dominated by the government or big capital.

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  1. Gibberish Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Film at Elevelty-Nine!

    1. Re:Gibberish Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this 'invisible technology' they are talking about? All technology is still quite visible to the point of being an eyesore on the otherwise pretty natural landscape.

    2. Re:Gibberish Rules by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the Google billionaires I think who recently declared that computers and the internet are going to get embedded in everywhere and will become effectively invisible.
      In fact, computers have been embedded or "hidden" in consumer appliances since the 80s and the old stuff was sometimes more invisible than now (camera with automatic settings, car, washing machine). But now it's "on the internet" or at least on a local network ; sensors and wireless are considerably cheaper.
      Before I was born there was hype about that kind of stuff already but it was with serial lines and an 8-bit computer with 40 column text display.

  2. What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I checked, and it is stated that

    Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities

    Tell you the truth I simply do not understand what the fuck it meant !!

    1. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think deus ex, depending of course on how free or controlled the technology is...what was that movie? " the future is now..."

    2. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little help for us not familiar with Deus Ex?

    3. Re: What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always liked this take on transhumanism
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness_(The_Outer_Limits) it should be up on YouTube for you to watch

    4. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      It's like making a nazi supersoldier that shoots lightning, using suspiciously well conserved corpse parts from the 10th century and "Tesla" electric stuff.

    5. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by jdagius · · Score: 1

      Think of it as "brain implant", i.e. humans will, in effect, guide their own evolution by integrating relatively "low-tech" capabilities such as Googling for information or sending/receiving messages/emails directly into the human brain, where it then becomes very, very "high-tech". So it requires some advanced techniques in neural surgery (which are already becoming available) with computer technology that has existed for decades.

      But, of course, such "transhumans" will be genetically identical sans surgery to us ordinary folk, but will appear to be omniscient and telepathic.

    6. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by ideonexus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Transhumanism is currently a hodgepodge of religious nonsense, visionary science fiction, and practical self-improvement. I confess I am a bit swept up in the romantic ideal of it. I love the idea of human improveability in the form of intellectual and technological advancement, extended lifespans, higher quality of life, and even post-scarcity economies.

      The religious nonsense part of it is best embodied in Ray Kurzweil's singularity (also known as the nerd rapture), the idea that humanity will soon upload our minds to computers and live forever. I can't imagine us not having this technology before the end of the century--especially with efforts like the UK's Human Brain Project and America's BRAIN Initiative AND a proof of concept with researchers mapping a worm's brain into a legobot and having it "come alive". HOWEVER: I also don't pin any personal hopes for immortality on this research because we are making copies of our minds, so even if my mind joins the singularity, I will still die--probably bitterly jealous of my immortal self having all that virtual sex in technoheaven.

      For me, the science fiction of transhumanism is all about vision and inspiration, and not about dreams of salvation and immortality like Kurzweil promotes. The science fiction part of it is most accessible through Star Trek, but in reality our transhumanist future will probably be more like the wild visions of Charles Stross' Accelerando, or my personal favorite the Quantum Thief Trilogy by Hannu Rajaniemi. These books drop you into settings filled with Matrioshka brains (Dyson Spheres made of computronium), and force the reader to confront all the uncomfortable otherness that comes with virtual life.

      Another great science fiction resource is the Creative Commons Eclipse Phase RPG, which takes place in a future where humanity has colonized solar system and extended out into the Oort Cloud. Each planet and environment requiring different engineering and culture adaptations to survive. You can download all the books in PDF format. These books are a fantastic jumping-point for the imagining what a post-human future might look like.

      This all said, I am not a fan of Sirius' encyclopedia. I was looking for practical, real-world things I can do right now to enhance my life through science and technology. Instead, I got very thin treatments of many subjects, overstatements of medical advances, important subjects left out (like the 19th Century Russian Cosmism movement (precursor to transhumanism)), and a general lack of leads to new areas to research. I get way more information from Wikipedia-surfing than I got from this book. I do appreciate his efforts though. If he gets more people into the idea of transhumanism, then more people will collaborate on it, we'll have more hacks for better living, and more people thinking about the future and human progress.

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      i ~ Celebrating Science, Cyberspace, Speculation
    7. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Transhumanism is currently a hodgepodge of religious nonsense, visionary science fiction, "

      So is Space Nutterism. I can even trace its origins!

      http://www.theatlantic.com/tec...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      " we are making copies of our minds, so even if my mind joins the singularity, I will still die"

      Ah, the old Theseus paradox. Guess what? *YOU* are making copies of YOURSELF already! EVERY DAY! Are you dead?

      Shit, the molecules in my brain aren't the same as the ones as last year. Some of my memories are GONE, and some new ones are formed!

      AAHHHH!!!! The 2014 ME IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All I am is a 2015 COPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I'M DEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!

    8. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      I was looking for practical, real-world things I can do right now to enhance my life through science and technology.

      That doesn't look like it was the point of the book. It looks like an overview of the field, not a how-to guide.

      Instead, I got very thin treatments of many subjects

      I don't think that's fair. According to Amazon, the book covers 90+ topics in 288 pages. I don't see how they could be in-depth about any of them.

      important subjects left out (like the 19th Century Russian Cosmism movement (precursor to transhumanism))

      The Cosmism entry is on page 52.

      --
      Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
    9. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by robmyers · · Score: 1

      The book explicitly mentions Russian Cosmism, although in reference to contemporary Cosmism. Do encyclopedias usually tell you how to do practical things? That sounds more like an instruction manual than an encyclopedia. I think the book is a good introduction to the existence of the ideas and how they relate, and to Transhumanism as a *culture*.

  3. Am I the only one... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    That mistook the headline's mention of RU Sirius for Yahoo Serious? Same era, same stupid sounding name, same flash in the pan. I wonder if they were separated at birth

  4. Saw this same rambling thought in the '60s... by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I was just a small kid, but back then they called it an acid trip.

    I think I'll wait until H++14 is fully supported before upgrading myself.

  5. Intellectual wankery by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Come on, even Playboy has a nice cover. Let's see a chapter list and a summary of one of the ideas.

    --
    If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
  6. Lousy AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would have predicted that AI would have advanced so little in the last 20 years?

    The ever-increasing power of computers doesn't seem to have made any difference.

    1. Re:Lousy AI by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Embedding AI in the infrastructure of virtually everything in the first World has largely gone unnoticed, and indeed, once something wonderful is regarded as commonplace folks largely forget it is fueled by artificial intelligence.

      AI has advanced, simply not in the way popular culture predicted it once would.

      There will be little need for human-like replicants running about while humans themselves are inexpensively abundant.

      --
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    2. Re:Lousy AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like asking why progress in wheel technology didn't lead to supersonic passenger transport... Because we're barking up the wrong tree.

  7. Transhumans would react with passion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that the transhumans would react like humans, with passion, maybe with better ability to reach their passionate goals.

    One human's passion can change history, or the truths about human passion can change history ...Each transhuman would be free to choose alike paths. With humans these paths are bounded by err ... birth, love, suffering, numb, teachings, death ?

    Transhumanism is not medecine, is has no "Hippocrates" manifesto, or "Asimov" cyber implants rules. LoL, A transhuman would prove that these kinds of rules must rely on a tangible highest moral/fabric authority.

    In 2050, if accumulation of wealth by 1% of the population is irreversible, if climate change is irreversible, what would be irreversible with transhumanism ? Today the idea of mankind, humanity, is still tangible, I think that the alien bars in Star wars, Star trek etc. are entertaining and numb. The heroes always pass the Turing test (The "Sapiens" imitation game) and the universe is filled with happy ends (70th anniversary of the liberation)

    Transhumanism is a financial investment, the middle class of the world may mitigate the risks, absorb the impact. Hey ! this is already a movie too, Elysium.

    The last movie is about numb sapiens screwing the fragile ideal of transhumanism, Transcendance, LoL.
    So transhumans would certainly react with passion, because they are actually so caricatured by their parents.

  8. R. U. Sirius? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Want to know more about the new book by R. U. Sirius? Read our review, co-authored by I. Kannt and B. Lievtis...

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    Got them moderator blues I blieve I walk out the do', With these mod-points I been gettin', I 'most never post no mo'
    1. Re:R. U. Sirius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to know more about the new book by R. U. Sirius? Read our review, co-authored by I. Kannt and B. Lievtis...

      The last 2 sound like STDs, are we sure this is safe?

  9. Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Goffman is a huckster and charlatan, why is anyone still paying attention to this enemy of relevance ?

    Kenny Boy Goffman has been the self appointed Court Jester to the psychedelic and transhumanist communities for far too many years. In reality, neither camp has anything in common and Kenny does great damage with his hucksterism and nonsensical gibberish. This crusty old hippy and now goofy shill for techno-fascism needs to shut up for once and for all. He damages what little remains of the potential for a real psychedelic culture with his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization. Kenny Boy Goffman, you are truly nothing at all but the Enemy of Relevance and the enemy of what is actually Human.

    Professor Dale Carrico on his 'Amor Mundi' blog has (with razor wit and insight) completely destroyed the puny intellectual rationalizations and extremely flimsy philosophical foundations of the ridiculous "transhumanist" movement. In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent ie the worst case of arrested development posing as science and sound thinking ; when it is in fact nothing more than terrible and gratingly naive science fiction which has had the temerity to form a little club for the lost fanboys, nerds and wannabee fascist dictators who live in efficiency apartments and are obsessed with Japanese anime. Some of these greasy manboys are libertarians, they are even more despicable and deluded. Ending death, even if possible, would only for these lads lead to one question : can I really play Dungeons and Dragons until the entropic heat death of the Universe and still remain sexually inexperienced? If Ayn Rand wrote terrible sci fi, that would be "transhumanism." Finally, transhumanists are profoundly anti-democratic and opposed to progressive politics, as their imaginary Robot God is gonna nano up some Cyber Paradise and bring on the Singularity Nerd Rapture (IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS) when we will be 'all watched over by Machines of Loving Grace.' They were saying "less than 20 years" to Machine Utopia back in the late 1980's when the middle brow lunatics Max and Natasha more started all this Extropian E-jacyoolation and Saturday morning kid's cartoon show rolling along on its square, lumpy wheels. Giving this book to a minor is child abuse, no different than warping kids' minds with the Book of Mormon.

    1. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Megol · · Score: 2

      As someone strongly critical of the "transhuman" religion I find the "Amor Mundi" blog equally misguided and void of any with or insight.
      One example: we have an increasing amount of real world AI capable of real world tasks - that includes self driving cars and (projects for) autonomous UAE. Yes, that's weak AI - not the (idea of) strong AI the singularity people worship. But it's AI.
      And still Mr. Carrico claims one shouldn't be afraid of algorithms - but any sane person should!

    2. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you missed the point entirely - Carrico shows us that transhumanism is fundamentally racist, classist and fascist.

    3. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      misogynist and patriarchal as well.

      and anti-democratic and anti-progressive.

      it is basically Feudalism and bad Sci Fi all rolled up into an "atheist" religion.

    4. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in fact, Goffman is an ardent supporter of several self defined "neo reactionary fascist" transhumanists... he makes constant support and mention of these people, and they are "race realists" and HBD creeps.

    5. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it is basically Feudalism and bad Sci Fi all rolled up into an "atheist" religion."

      So is Space Nuttery, with its "worthy" believers getting a technological reward off-planet... Heaven, basically.

    6. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Autonomous vehicles is not AI.

    7. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      Wow, that's quite a rant, dude.

      his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization

      OK, I just read the two linked interviews, and I'm just not seeing this. At all. Neither of the authors seem to be cheerleading for evil and dehumanization. They both seem to be fairly positive about transhumanism, but mention flaws and potential downsides. I am acquainted with R.U., and he's not at all a "technocrat," and that comes through in those two interviews.

      --
      Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
    8. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent

      Maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear anyone or anything called "fascist," sexist," and "racist" all at once, I think it tells me more about the person using those words than it does about whatever they are talking about.

      --
      Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
    9. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      in fact, Goffman is an ardent supporter of several self defined "neo reactionary fascist" transhumanists... he makes constant support and mention of these people, and they are "race realists" and HBD creeps.

      AFAIK this is completely untrue. R.U. is an acquaintance of mine, I've read some of his work, and this is simply false. He actually leans to the left. Of course, any editor who covers wide-ranging topics is going to mention and even publish people they don't entirely agree with. That's how magazine publishing and "encyclopedias" work. But you are spewing bullshit when you say he's an "ardent supporter" of any of that. [Citation needed], dude.

      --
      Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
    10. Re: Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the interview. Look at the book itself. I was stunned by how fair and even-minded the whole thing was. (Critical, skeptical, irreverent, and even funny...)

      "Transhumanism" is a large tent. But this book itself is pretty straightforward. And also really really interesting, since it rounds up cool stuff that's already started happening...

    11. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kenny Boy Goffman is a constant (and recent) supporter of the self proclaimed fascist, racist and "neoreactionary far right wing" racist Rachel Haywire (Rachel Ellen Mendelson), and many of her friends (such as the self proclaimed transhumanist, right wing reactionary and no bones racist Michael Anissimov). She is a close associate of Goffman and she and her friends are hard boiled, white power, White Nationalists.

      Fuckin' Haywire has a citation in the very book this article references!

      Mendelso is also a well known grifter, and is under investigation for a home arson. Kenny never gets tired of promoting her and her clique.

      see

      http://rachelhaywireisanarsonist.tumblr.com/

      and

      http://joostiz.tumblr.com/

      Rumor has it young Rachel is fucking Kenny Boy and that's why he overlooks her blatant and self proclaimed fascism and racism.

    12. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billionaire li-bro-tarian Peter Thiel funds most of the transhumanist media and events, and he is virulently opposed to the basic principles of democracy. He states this in public speeches. Thiel is all up with Ken Goffman in the founding of Humanity + etc

    13. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you are morally bankrupt . nothing else need be said.

      Oh right, I'm "morally bankrupt " because I don't take people seriously when they froth at the mouth and throw terms like "fascist" and "racist" and "sexist" at anyone they disagree with. On the other hand, I'm not an Anonymous Coward making absurd and unsubstantiated charges. Anyone who reads just the linked interviews should be able to see that you don't know what you're talking about. I doubt if anyone who knows R.U. thinks he's any of those things. I don't know what your problem is, but in this discussion you're just a troll. If you don't like transhumanism, fine, lots of people don't. There's even a section of the book called "Criticisms of Transhumanism," which is online here. I doubt you can cite anything in the book that any sane person would call "fascist" or "racist" or "sexist."

      --
      Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
    14. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they were communists instead of libertarians? Would you have bothered to write this at all? Not that I am a fan of weeabos. Of course, cheering on 'progressive' politics and then dumping on the book of mormon shows just how compartmentalized your beliefs are, since both are dogmatic bullshit, and 'transhumanism' is the ultimate expression of 'progressive' quackery. It's what results when the last vestiges of reality are removed from the belief system.

    15. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      So lets put them in a pit with george soros and the koch brothers.. the resulting release of energy will power our society for the next 100 billion years.

    16. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Republican Party brazenly and openly endorses all these things - Racism, Sexism and Fascism, you utter nonce.

      wake the fuck up.

    17. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the struggle for Civil Rights and economic justice has absolutely nothing to do in any way with that you cutely term transhumanist "progressive quackery." your thoughts, logic and verbal coherency are significantly challenged. get back on the short bus, ya drongo.

    18. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communism = Good.

      Li-bro-tarinism = Plutocratic Fascist Bad.

    19. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't have to say "I AM A FASCIST" for their efforts and works to BE fundamentally fascist, this is actually usually the case in a propagandist effort.

      but some of Kenny Boy Goffman's close friends like RACHEL ELLEN "HAYWIRE" MENDELSON _do_ in fact proudly proclaim their racism and fascism and they BLOG FOR WHITE NATIONALIST, WHITE POWER WEBSITES!

    20. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *chirp* *chirp*..... tumbleweeds.....

    21. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      Oh, look: it's Jason Christopher Hughes again, the longest-running stalker on the Internet. All of these "rumors" are just nonsense you made up. You're hoping to _create_ rumors. Silly troll.

    22. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      In other words, "DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ AND LEARN FROM INDEPENDENT SOUNDS. ONLY THE 'FACTS' AS PRESENTED BY THIS 'ANONYMOUS COWARD' — JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES, aka RAYMOND JOHNSON, aka MICHAEL RUDRA NATH, aka LUIS MANUEL ARSUPIAL, SOMEONE WHO CLEARLY HAS SOME SORT OF PSYCHOTIC RAGE GOING TOWARD RACHEL HAYWIRE — SHOULD BE GIVEN CONSIDERATION." Seriously, Mr. Hughes: if you hope to be at all persuasive, you really need to put a little more effort into writing as though you were something other than an utter lunatic, spraying spittle all over the keyboard as you pound in your screeds.

    23. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      Found on http://joostiz.tumblr.com/: "Can we please keep the crazy out of this forum?" That's you they're talking about, Mr. Hughes. (Or is it "Johnson" this week? How many sets of ID do you carry around, anyway?)

  10. Butlerian Jihad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed." - F. Herbert

  11. A fun look at the Singularity, or robot apocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Http://www.ChromosomeQuest.com

  12. Cyberpunk is Vaudeville! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ken Goffman is Straight Up Vaudeville.

    Kenny Boy is some kind of oldies act, like Sha Na Na

    1. Re:Cyberpunk is Vaudeville! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right, Goffman has a modestly successful silly little magazine in the late 80's and early 90's. Why is he still flogging that dead, dead horse?

      He has no other way to get paid. Kenny is a one horse pony with a broken leg. Take him out and end his pain.

      Steal This Singularity = BUY MY BOOK.

  13. even google is drinking the Kool Aid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also posted at the World Future Society.
    Their prose was all purple, there were VCs running everywhere, tryin' to profit from destruction, you know we didn't even care.
    via Singularity Hub (h/t David Golumbia):
    Google, a long-time supporter of Singularity University (SU), has agreed to a two-year, $3 million contribution to SU's flagship Graduate Studies Program (GSP). Google will become the program's title sponsor and ensure all successful direct applicants get the chance to attend free of charge. Held every summer, the GSP's driving goal is to positively impact the lives of a billion people in the next decade using exponential technologies. Participants spend a fast-paced ten weeks learning all they need to know for the final exam—a chance to develop and then pitch a world-changing business plan to a packed house.
    "Exponential technologies" is a short hand for the false and facile narrative superlative futurologists spun from Moore's Law -- the observation in 1965 (the year I was born) that the number of transistors on an integrated circuit had been roughly doubling every two years, and the paraphrase of that observation into a law-like generalization that chip performance more or less doubles every two years -- into the faith-based proclamation that this processing power will inevitably eventuate in artificial intelligence, and soon thereafter a history shattering super-intelligence that will control self-replicating programmable nanoscale robots that will provide a magical superabundance on the cheap and deliver near immortality through prosthetic medical enhancement and the digital uploading of "informational soul-selves" into imperishable online paradises.

    The arrival of superintelligent artificial intelligence is denominated "the Singularity" by these futurologists, a term drawn from the science fiction of Vernor Vinge, as are the general contours of this techno-transcendental narrative, taken up most famously by one-time inventor and now futurological "Thought Leader" Ray Kurzweil and a coterie of so-called tech multimillionaires like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jaan Tallinn all looking to rationalize their good fortune in the irrational exuberance of the tech boom and secure their self-declared destinies as protagonists of post-human history by proselytizing and investing in transhumanist/singularitarian eugenic/digitopian ideology across the neoliberal institutional landscape at MIT, Stanford, Oxford, Google, and so on.

    That most of these figures are skim-and-scam artists with little sense and too much money on their hands goes without saying as does the obvious legibility of their "technoscientific" triumphalism as a conventional marketing strategy for commercial crap (get rich quick! anti-aging! sexy-sexy!) but amplified into a scarcely stealthed fulminating faith re-enacting the theological terms of an omni-predicated godhead delivering True Believers eternal life in absolute bliss with perfect knowledge. Not to put too fine a point it, the serially-failed program of AI doesn't become more plausible by slapping "super" in front of the AI, especially when the same sociopathic body-loathing digi-spiritualizing assumptions remain in force among its adherents; exponential processing power checked by comparable ballooning kruft is on a road to nowhere like transcendence; and since a picture of you isn't you and cyberspace is buggy and noisy and brittle hoping to live there forever as an information spirit is pretty damned stupid even if you call yourself a soopergenius.

    Since the super-intelligent and nanotechnological magicks on which techno-transcendentalists pin their real hopes are not remotely in evidence, these futurologists tend to hype the media and computational devices of the day, celebrating algorithmic mediation and Big Data framing and kludgy gaming virtualities like Oculus Rift and surveillance media like the failed Google Glass and venture capitalist "disruption" like airbnb and uber. That this is the world of hyping toxic wage-slave manufactured landfill-destined

  14. read these leaked humanity + internal emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://hpluselection2013.tumblr.com/

    read that, and you will never stop laughing at the incredibly stupid and petty turf wars of the Transhumanist Elite... it reads like a high school 'slam book' teenage girls put together to war on their enemies with asinine verbal nastiness, it is seriously Pathetic.

  15. Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Jay.Cornell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am the co-author of this book (and disappointingly unnamed in this discussion), so I thought I would register and reply to a few points.

    Just as reporters often don’t get to write the headlines for their stories, authors don’t always have final say about the titles of their books. Our working title was “The User’s Guide to Transhumanism,” which I think would have been a little more on-point. The word “encyclopedia” notwithstanding, we couldn’t cover everything, certainly not in any depth, in the number of words we had to work with. However, contrary to a post above, we do have an entry on Cosmism. Since the entries are alphabetical, I don’t know how the commenter missed it.

    We tried hard to be objective. While we are both largely supportive of transhumanism, neither of us are starry-eyed “believers,” and I think the book (and even the interviews linked in the story) make that clear. We at least mention the criticisms and potential downsides of transhumanism, and in fact there’s a relatively lengthy entry called “Criticisms of Transhumanism” which is online.

    Unfortunately there is an "Anonymous Coward" trolling this discussion, making a lot of wild and baseless charges. I’ve known R.U. for nearly 30 years, and it’s completely absurd to call him “fascist"/"sexist"/"racist"/"elitist"/"technocratic" by any normal meanings of those terms. I’d describe him as somewhere on the left on many issues, but he’s hard to pigeonhole politically. I would never consider him a dogmatist or even much of a joiner. (For the record, I’m a sort of impure libertarian who tries to take a somewhat distant and objective view of politics, and is often more willing to compromise with the left or right than a libertarian is “supposed to.”)

    Whatever Peter Thiel funds, sadly, he’s not funding me or R.U. We could use some of that money. The Anonymous Coward is seeing conspiracies where none exist (as far as I know, at least). Transhumanism is a large, diverse thing, with many political and personal divisions and factions. Some people in it one could fairly call “right-wing” or “neo-reactionary,” but there are also many who could be fairly called “left-wing” or “socialist.” Labeling all advocates of transhumanism as "fascist" or "technocratic" is simply ignorant.

    It's self-interested of me to say this, but I would recommend that people buy and read the book, and make up your own mind. We think it will be entertaining and informative for people interested in transhumanism, or in the future in general. If you think we've made an error or left something out, contact us through our website and we'll fix it in the next edition (which we hope will happen). In any case, please don't jump to conclusions based on anonymous mud-slinging.

    1. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cite Rachel Haywire in your book. She is an unapologetic fascist and racist (she claims those very terms specifically), as are her transhumanist friends like Michael Anissimov and otherz. Ken Goffman is a constant supporter and close associate and funder of Rachel Ellen "Haywire" Mendelson. These are self described "white nationalists" and "race realists." They blog for places like the notoriously racist website alt-right, which is even listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL.

    2. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Techno-Transcendental Celebrants of Science Are As Destructively Anti-Scientific As Any Creationist

      Robot Cultist John G. Messerly hilariously declares religion doomed in a palpably religious techno-transcendental screed published over at hplus magazine (h+ stands for "humanity-plus" for all you merely human mehum humanity-minuses out there, in case you were wondering).

      I am an atheist myself, but I tend to be rather cheerfully nonjudgmental about the issue. Both my sense of the force of aesthetic sublimity and my awareness of the demands of a faith in democracy connect with at least some of what religiosity can be for at least some of the variously religious, and so I do not find it so easy to dismiss all faith as such as many other atheists seem to do -- at least many of the atheists who seem to be getting a lot of media attention lately.

      That said, I do find it easy to condemn efforts to politicize organized religiosity and militarize moralizing. Since this kind of militant evangelism threatens the differently religious quite as much as it threatens the non-religious, the majority of my allies on this issue are religious as I am not, exactly as you would expect if you are thinking sensibly about the question. As a champion of scientific discovery and practical problem-solving, I also condemn efforts to substitute fundamentalist articles of faith for warranted scientific beliefs where matters of prediction and control are concerned. And again, plenty of theologians are as concerned about the distortion of faith when it is misapplied to instrumental concerns as they are, and I am, concerned about the distortion of science by these misapplications.

      What is extraordinary about the transhumanoids, singularitarians, techno-immortalists, digi-utopians, nano-cornucopiasts of techno-transcendental futurology is how readily they peddle what are palpable wish-fulfillment fantasies, eschatalogical narratives, end-time narratives (often quite obviously citing theological and mythological archives for conceits, images, frames as they proceed) as if they were actually thought-experiments, scientific hypotheses, or responsible public policy proposals. I have to say that the prevalence of deceptive and hyperbolic advertizing discourse and parochially extrapolative blue-skying across the neoliberal public and institutional terrain has unquestionably enabled futurologists to get away with this con artistry, indeed futurology is something like a reductio ad absurdum of neoliberal assumptions and aspirations, norms and forms, exposing the dangerously delusive, uncritically symptomatic, unsustainably infantile faith-based initiative of extractive-industrial complacent-conformist-consumerist corporate-militarism.

      To say the least, of course, there simply is nothing to commend digi-topian cyberangel uploads in Holodeck Heaven over more conventionally religious conceptions of an afterlife. There is nothing to commend superintelligent post-biological AI over more conventionally religious omniscient sky-daddies. There is nothing to commend eugenic talk of enhancement and optimality over religious zealots declaring non-normative morphologies signs of Satan demanding consignment to the flames. There is nothing to commend the body-loathing of futurists pining to be digitized out of mortality or virtualized out of gravity or bio-enhanced out of vulnerability or artificially super-intellectualized out of error over the religious death-cults that inspire forced pregnancy zealotry and private arsenals and the inevitably mistaken execution of some of their fellow citizens and belligerent war posturing and the neglect of poor, cold, ill, hungry, homeless fellow-citizens in the name of a "culture of life." There is nothing to commend nanobotic superabundance over genies-in-a-bottle or prosperity theology.

      And there is nothing to commend robocultic wish-fulfillment pseudo-science over religious creationist anti-science. Declaring this pseudo-science a championing of science merely adds insult to injury.

    3. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/p/faithful-members-of-far-right-fringe-do.html

      by Rachel Haywire

      Faithful members of the far right fringe, do not despair!

      You think it’s game over. You’re losing hope. You just can’t ride that tiger anymore, and your entire movement has been infiltrated by hipsters and libertarians. This is more than the death of the west—it’s the death of your personal achievements. What in the dying world are you going to do when someone named Rachel fucking Haywire is writing for Alternative Right?

      I’m here to tell you that it’s not over yet. In fact, the battle has only begun. Cheer up, cynical white man! Let me hand you a lollipop against liberalism! The counter-revolt is now as trendy as Williamsburg and this is not a bad thing. The Internet is full of neo-reaction, and tonight we go to war.

      Here are 10 Tips for a Successful Counter-Revolution

      1. Learn to speak like the enemy. Get into their grove. Twist and turn their catch phrases around. Make top 10 lists. Go to popular conferences and act like you support the latest cause. Go to their elite parties and make yourself a part of the furniture. Might is left, and it is your job to make it right again. You cannot do this without understanding the left.

      2. Rewrite the narrative. Downplay the achievements of PC culture. Instead of crying about how liberals are oppressing you, make it clear that liberals are being oppressed. Oppress liberals. Highlight the achievements of non-PC writers, entrepreneurs, and professors. Instead of feeling like a victim because the new establishment = the United States of Social Causes, declare that the new establishment is on its way out. Make it so. Stomp out the new establishment. Use neo-reactionary populists to your advantage. Be a winner, not a whiner.

      3. Marginalize, marginalize, marginalize. You may be marginalized for your politics, but if all marginalized people were suddenly put into a room, the size of the crowd would be much larger than the key players of the United States of Social Causes. As for the unwashed masses, it is easy to get them to switch rooms. All you need is charisma and intelligence. Confine the United States of Social Causes to a small area of irrelevancy.

      4. Accept that the right wing = the proletariat. You may hate the term proletariat but it certainly applies here. The Communists were successful in overthrowing the upper class. The result = you at the bottom. Do you want to be The Golden Dawn or The Golden Yawn? Fight back! Drag your rulers down by the heels of their cruelty-free boots and declare yourself monarch. Instigate.

      5. Match your social status to your warrior status. You may be a warrior of the highest order, but that doesn’t mean the nice lady at the store thinks you’re anything but a homophobic faggot. The nice lady at the store is tres untermensch, but you need her for your master plan. Engage in small talk with her about the latest trend. She will remember you when she is down on her luck and begging for a gun. The nice lady at the store is your friend. Make friends. Lots of them.

      6. Become the elite. Capitalism is as capitalism does. The reason people in this culture would rather buy t-shirts referencing social memes than historical artifacts and/or esoteric literature, is that the right wing currently sucks at capitalism and webdesign. Study the neo-reactionaries who are making websites that rival the dominant current. Control the media. Don’t be afraid of looking Jewish. Sell, sell, sell!

      7. Confront white people on their lack of awareness. The only people who truly advocate equality are white liberals. Blame the white man for hating the white man. Blame the white man for having no cultural or ethnic identity. No other culture hates white people like the culture of white people. Look in the mirror and realize that your brothers and sisters have a sickness. No amount of crime in the ghetto will stop the white man from protesting you. Do

    4. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Controversy and criticism[edit]
      AltRight was subject to criticism from both the left and the right. Examples of the former include the Southern Poverty Law Center, which characterized the site as "yet another far-right magazine," as well as "loaded with contributors who...have long lamented the white man’s decline."[10] Conservative critiques include E.D. Kain's contention at True/Slant, that "the far-right-wingers at Alternative Right represent the ugly – and yes racist – underbelly of ‘alt’ conservatism. This is white nationalism, folks, dressed up in faux-intellectualism."[11]
      In March 2010, Spencer was interviewed by Tim Mak of FrumForum, the online magazine of George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum. Mak concluded that AltRight's "ideas belong in some sort of padded room," and that its writers were "going to be white nationalists, but, by God, they’re going to be a little fancy about it."[12]
      Greg Johnson of The Occidental Quarterly, extolled AltRight as a publication he "hope[s]...will attract the brightest young conservatives and libertarians and expose them to far broader intellectual horizons, including race realism, White Nationalism, the European New Right, the Conservative Revolution, Traditionalism, neo-paganism, agrarianism, Third Positionism, anti-feminism, and right-wing anti-capitalists, ecologists, bioregionalists, and small-is-beautiful types."[13]
      Journalist Rich Johnston wrote an article lampooning public comments left by readers of AltRight (in response to the publication's cinematic review of 2011 Thor), characterizing the review itself as "relatively measured and muted."[14]

    5. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Condensed Critique of Transhumanism by Dr. Dale Carrico amormundi.blogspot.com

      "Transhumanism" is essentially a techno-transcendental digital-utopian and/or "enhancement"-eugenicist futurological discourse and futurist sub(cult)ure. (Sometimes, I understand that the term has been used in connection with some transsexual activism as well, but that is not what I am talking about here -- and I want to be clear that I have devoted a lifetime of activism and writing and teaching to resisting sexist, heterosexist, cissexist patriarchy.) I have chosen the following handful of pieces as providing a condensed critique of the various "movement transhumanisms." This is the aspect of my anti-futurological critique which seems most interesting to most folks (for better or worse). Hundreds of posts, arranged by futurist topic as well as by the individual futurological author getting skewered are also to be found in my Superlative Summary for the real gluttons for punishment among you. While transhumanism is, strictly speaking, just one of the sects in the superlative futurological Robot Cult archipelago (others include the Extropians, Singularitarians, techno-immortalists, cybernetic totalists, nano-cornucopiasts, geo-engineers, and so on) transhumanism does overlap considerably with most of the others and exhibits a certain rhetorical and subcultural representativeness.

      As someone who respects real science and advocates real public commitments to science and critical thinking education and real public investments in research and sustainable infrastructure, I am annoyed of course with the deranging futurological frames and narratives of techno-transcendentalists (immortal cyberangels! nano-magick utility-fog!) and disasterbators (Robocalypse! grey goo!) who cater to the fears and fantasies of the uninformed and skew policy priorities (for instance, the futurological enablement of reactionary talk about raising the retirement age), not to mention the straightforward pseudo-scientific blathering of uploading circle-squarers (my critique in a phrase: you are not a picture of you) and cryonics cranks, cheerleading over drextechian genies-in-a-bottle, GOFAI-deadenders (my critique in a phrase: Moore's Law isn't going to spit out a sooper-intelligent Robot God Mommy to kiss your boo boos away, sorry), geo-engineering apologists for corporate-military eco-criminals, facile evo-devo reactionaries, not to mention all manner of digital utopian hucksters and TED-squawkers.

      But to step back from the obvious, I also regard mainstream futurology as the quintessential discourse of neoliberal global developmentalism, market-mediation, and fraudulent financialization. There is a certain strain of delusive utopianism that drives neoliberalism's callous immaterialism (eg, its focus on branding over labor conditions, its focus on fraudulent financialization over sustainable production) and hyperbolic salesmanship through and through, but what I describe as superlative futurological discourses represent a kind of clarifying -- and also rather bonkers -- extremity of this pseudo-utopianism. While there is obviously plenty that is deranging and dangerous about such techno-transcendental or superlative futurological discourses and the rather odd organizations and public figures devoted to them, what seems to me most useful about paying attention to these extreme and marginal formations is the way they illuminate underlying pathologies of the more prevailing mainstream futurological discourses we have come to take for granted in so much public policy discussion concerning science, technology, and global development.

      Among these parallel pathologies, it seems to me, are shared appeals to irrational passions -- fears of impotence and fantasies of omnipotence -- shared tendencies to genetic reductionism, technological determinism, and a certain triumphalism about techno-scientific progress. I also discern in both mainstream and superlative futurology a paradoxical "retro-futurist" kind of reassurance being offered to incumbent and eli

    6. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ten Things You Must Fail To Understand If You Want To Be A Transhumanist For Long

      One: Enjoying science fiction is not the same thing as doing science or making science policy.

      Two: Indulging in wish-fulfillment fantasies is not the same thing as analysis.

      Three: Extrapolating from speculations and stipulations mistreated as data will yield serially failed predictions, none of which amounts to foresight.

      Four: There is nothing brave or useful or distinguished or progressive about saying magic would be cool if it were real, especially since there are so many real problems and real possibilities in the world that need all our bravery, pragmatism, special effort, and progressive struggle.

      Five: Promoting as “experts” people with no training in actual professional or academic disciplines, celebrating the “genius” of high-tech billionaires of no real distinction, who have simply appropriated the invention and effort of countless uncelebrated others, and providing rationalizations for the "indispensability" of corporate-military elites who will presumably deliver us medical immortality, offer us nano-abundance, geo-engineer away our environmental catastrophes, and code for us perfect software god parent-substitutes, is not even remotely the same as having real thoughts, doing true philosophy, or making serious policy.

      Six: Subcultures that remain very static, very small, very marginal, very megalomaniacal, and very defensive tend to look and conduct themselves more like cults than subcultures.

      Seven: People who buy a Volkswagon, an Apple computer, or Diesel Jeans aren’t actually joining a political movement no matter what advertising executives say to the contrary, nor are people who watch BSG marathons, write Janeway shipper fanfic, work on a Steampunk casemod, or enjoy CLAMP cosplay actually engaging in political agitation no matter how personally resonant and edifying their experiences may be, or how interesting to ethnographers, nor are people who are invested in “The Future” of the futurologists -- which amounts in some respects precisely to such marketing phenomena and in others precisely to such fandom phenomena -- really joining or sustaining a political movement or engaged in political agitation in any remotely serious way.

      Eight: “The Future” is not Narnia, it is not Middle Earth, it is not the United Federation of Planets, it is not Hogwarts, it is not Heaven, it is not Hell -- it will be a shared present attesting to stakeholder struggle just as this present is.

      Nine: What we mean by life happens in biological bodies, what we mean by intelligence happens in biological brains in society, what we mean by progress happens in historical struggles among the diversity of living intelligent beings who share the present -- and to say otherwise is not to be interesting but to be idiotic.

      Ten: We are all vulnerable, we are all promising, we are all more ignorant than we need to be, we are all more capable than we can know, we are all error-prone, we are all interdependent, we are all subject to chance, and we are all going to die.

    7. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *chirp* *chirp*....tumbleweeds....

    8. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      A thousand word to say what could be said in a sentence. I suppose amongst these future squawkers you would include Von Braun and his future visions of moon ships and humans living in space. Because 100 to 60 years ago people like you were saying exactly the same kind of thing about him. They were saying the world would never need more than five computers, that science and medicine had already reached a pinnacle. Come to think of it 100 years ago people like you including serious 'real' scientists were saying how heavier than air manned flight would never be impossible..

      The only reason many futurist visions remain impossible is because they lack the funding. University funding is still based on the theory that we must focus our resources on better 'buggy whips' and 'horse carts' and that these new fangled 'horseless carriages' will never amount to anything. I've seen it at first hand - they repeat the same experiment a thousand times, but are afraid to try anything radical or new.. it might get criticised in peer review and they could loose reputation and money.
      Way back in 1990 I did some theoretical design work on nano-tech assemblers - advocates then estimated that with funding they were about 10 to 20 years in the future - they are still about 10 to 20 years in the future. Nano-tech actually got at least some of that funding but most of it got diverted off into more 'buggy whips' and improved 'horse carts'..

      --
      Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
    9. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Always proof read before hitting submit!! -
      "A thousand words to say what could be said in a sentence."
      ''Come to think of it 100 years ago people like you, including many 'real' serious scientists were saying how heavier than air manned flight would never be possible.."
      "Way back in 1990 I did some theoretical design work on nano-tech assemblers - advocates then estimated that with funding assemblers were about 10 to 20 years in the future - they are still about 10 to 20 years in the future."

      Stupid SD interface!

      --
      Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
    10. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quantum uncertainty and atomic level quantum "stickiness" means nanotechnology as Drexler described it is completely impossible. It is a fairy tale, a comic book and complete Bullshit. Even Drexler admits this now.

    11. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, let's get something clear, I wouldn't describe Haywire as fascist or racist. She's just plain crazy nuts. I've met her in person (Convergence in New Orleans while she talked about her band) and she seems alright, but you can still tell something is not quite all there. Online, she is just nuts. She's paranoid and constantly fleeing or getting kicked out of whatever communities she decides to involve herself with which varies from thought to thought. While I don't think citing her is for the best no matter what she says, I could see her spewing out something that seemed significant before falling off the deep end of crazy.

    12. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHE DESCRIBES _HERSELF_ AS A "FAR RIGHT NEOREACTIONARY FACIST" and SHE BURNED DOWN SOME GUY'S HOUSE AND CAR!

      and she is Ken Goffman's GIRLFRIEND!

      http://rachelhaywireisanarsonist.tumblr.com/

    13. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAYWIRE WROTE THIS FOR AN NOTORIOUSLY RACIST, WHITE NATIONALIST WEBPAGE SHE IS an "EDITOR" FOR !

      "7. Confront white people on their lack of awareness. The only people who truly advocate equality are white liberals. Blame the white man for hating the white man. Blame the white man for having no cultural or ethnic identity. No other culture hates white people like the culture of white people. Look in the mirror and realize that your brothers and sisters have a sickness. No amount of crime in the ghetto will stop the white man from protesting you. Don’t be afraid to fight the white that is wrong."

    14. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      "SHE BURNED DOWN SOME GUY'S HOUSE AND CAR!" No, she didn't. That's a lie. You claimed that I burned down your house and your car, too. Sadly for you, no one's ever been charged — "too many potential suspects" is what I heard — the cops think you're a complete lunatic, and it seems just as likely that you torched it yourself in the hopes of blaming one of your imaginary "enemies" for it. Poor sad, crazy, stupid, addled Extinct Marsupial. (Watch him drag out his heavily-edited and out-of-context set of cherry-picked quotes from some ten-year-old flame war now.)

    15. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES (aka MICHAEL RUDRA NATH, aka RAYMOND JOHNSON, aka LUIS ARSUPIAL).

  16. Borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transhumanism + ( capital / government ) * domination = Borg

    Transhumanism is riddled with serious issues related to the ultimate rights of the user, including the right of privacy of thought and hacking susceptibility in the wake of NSA-Style "information domination" plans and Skynet-inspired networks. This is coming from a robotics and medical device engineer. Who needs psy-ops when you have neural implants?

    1. Re:Borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Machines don't have rights. Machines aren't capable of demanding rights.

  17. stonemirror aka lefty schlesinger : troll, stalker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/defamed-by-access-employee/

    "This perp (David "Lefty" Schlesinger) aka "Stonemirror" who cried (real tears) in front of Open Source visionary Bruce Perens because he didn't join his anti-Stallman crusade is just trying to tarnish the GNU brand which is almost synonymous with Richard Stallman."

  18. David "Lefty" Schlesinger : troll,stalker,arsonist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/defamed-by-access-employee/

    "This perp (David "Lefty" Schlesinger) aka "Stonemirror" who cried (real tears) in front of Open Source visionary Bruce Perens because he didn't join his anti-Stallman crusade is just trying to tarnish the GNU brand which is almost synonymous with Richard Stallman."

  19. David "Lefty" Schlesinger: troll, stalker,arsonist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/defamed-by-access-employee/

    "This perp (David "Lefty" Schlesinger) aka "Stonemirror" who cried (real tears) in front of Open Source visionary Bruce Perens because he didn't join his anti-Stallman crusade is just trying to tarnish the GNU brand which is almost synonymous with Richard Stallman."

    Summary: Serial harasser of Free software luminaries may be put on their blacklists, but the verbal abuse continues