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R.U. Sirius Co-Authors New Book On Transhumanism

An anonymous reader writes "I've never been able to work up a fear of the robot apocalypse," admits R.U. Sirius, who more than 20 years after Mondo 2000's original guide to geek culture has again collaborated on a new encyclopedia of emerging technologies. As we progress to a world where technology actually becomes invisible, he argues that "everything about how we will define the future is still in play," suggesting that the transhumanist movement is "a good way to take isolated radical tech developments and bundle them together". While his co-author argues transhumanists "like to solve everything," Sirius points out a much bigger concern is a future of technologies dominated by the government or big capital.

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  1. Am I the only one... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    That mistook the headline's mention of RU Sirius for Yahoo Serious? Same era, same stupid sounding name, same flash in the pan. I wonder if they were separated at birth

  2. Saw this same rambling thought in the '60s... by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I was just a small kid, but back then they called it an acid trip.

    I think I'll wait until H++14 is fully supported before upgrading myself.

  3. Intellectual wankery by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Come on, even Playboy has a nice cover. Let's see a chapter list and a summary of one of the ideas.

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  4. R. U. Sirius? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Want to know more about the new book by R. U. Sirius? Read our review, co-authored by I. Kannt and B. Lievtis...

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  5. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    It's like making a nazi supersoldier that shoots lightning, using suspiciously well conserved corpse parts from the 10th century and "Tesla" electric stuff.

  6. Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Goffman is a huckster and charlatan, why is anyone still paying attention to this enemy of relevance ?

    Kenny Boy Goffman has been the self appointed Court Jester to the psychedelic and transhumanist communities for far too many years. In reality, neither camp has anything in common and Kenny does great damage with his hucksterism and nonsensical gibberish. This crusty old hippy and now goofy shill for techno-fascism needs to shut up for once and for all. He damages what little remains of the potential for a real psychedelic culture with his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization. Kenny Boy Goffman, you are truly nothing at all but the Enemy of Relevance and the enemy of what is actually Human.

    Professor Dale Carrico on his 'Amor Mundi' blog has (with razor wit and insight) completely destroyed the puny intellectual rationalizations and extremely flimsy philosophical foundations of the ridiculous "transhumanist" movement. In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent ie the worst case of arrested development posing as science and sound thinking ; when it is in fact nothing more than terrible and gratingly naive science fiction which has had the temerity to form a little club for the lost fanboys, nerds and wannabee fascist dictators who live in efficiency apartments and are obsessed with Japanese anime. Some of these greasy manboys are libertarians, they are even more despicable and deluded. Ending death, even if possible, would only for these lads lead to one question : can I really play Dungeons and Dragons until the entropic heat death of the Universe and still remain sexually inexperienced? If Ayn Rand wrote terrible sci fi, that would be "transhumanism." Finally, transhumanists are profoundly anti-democratic and opposed to progressive politics, as their imaginary Robot God is gonna nano up some Cyber Paradise and bring on the Singularity Nerd Rapture (IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS) when we will be 'all watched over by Machines of Loving Grace.' They were saying "less than 20 years" to Machine Utopia back in the late 1980's when the middle brow lunatics Max and Natasha more started all this Extropian E-jacyoolation and Saturday morning kid's cartoon show rolling along on its square, lumpy wheels. Giving this book to a minor is child abuse, no different than warping kids' minds with the Book of Mormon.

    1. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by Megol · · Score: 2

      As someone strongly critical of the "transhuman" religion I find the "Amor Mundi" blog equally misguided and void of any with or insight.
      One example: we have an increasing amount of real world AI capable of real world tasks - that includes self driving cars and (projects for) autonomous UAE. Yes, that's weak AI - not the (idea of) strong AI the singularity people worship. But it's AI.
      And still Mr. Carrico claims one shouldn't be afraid of algorithms - but any sane person should!

    2. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      Wow, that's quite a rant, dude.

      his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization

      OK, I just read the two linked interviews, and I'm just not seeing this. At all. Neither of the authors seem to be cheerleading for evil and dehumanization. They both seem to be fairly positive about transhumanism, but mention flaws and potential downsides. I am acquainted with R.U., and he's not at all a "technocrat," and that comes through in those two interviews.

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    3. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent

      Maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear anyone or anything called "fascist," sexist," and "racist" all at once, I think it tells me more about the person using those words than it does about whatever they are talking about.

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    4. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      in fact, Goffman is an ardent supporter of several self defined "neo reactionary fascist" transhumanists... he makes constant support and mention of these people, and they are "race realists" and HBD creeps.

      AFAIK this is completely untrue. R.U. is an acquaintance of mine, I've read some of his work, and this is simply false. He actually leans to the left. Of course, any editor who covers wide-ranging topics is going to mention and even publish people they don't entirely agree with. That's how magazine publishing and "encyclopedias" work. But you are spewing bullshit when you say he's an "ardent supporter" of any of that. [Citation needed], dude.

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    5. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by PapayaSF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you are morally bankrupt . nothing else need be said.

      Oh right, I'm "morally bankrupt " because I don't take people seriously when they froth at the mouth and throw terms like "fascist" and "racist" and "sexist" at anyone they disagree with. On the other hand, I'm not an Anonymous Coward making absurd and unsubstantiated charges. Anyone who reads just the linked interviews should be able to see that you don't know what you're talking about. I doubt if anyone who knows R.U. thinks he's any of those things. I don't know what your problem is, but in this discussion you're just a troll. If you don't like transhumanism, fine, lots of people don't. There's even a section of the book called "Criticisms of Transhumanism," which is online here. I doubt you can cite anything in the book that any sane person would call "fascist" or "racist" or "sexist."

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    6. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      So lets put them in a pit with george soros and the koch brothers.. the resulting release of energy will power our society for the next 100 billion years.

    7. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      Oh, look: it's Jason Christopher Hughes again, the longest-running stalker on the Internet. All of these "rumors" are just nonsense you made up. You're hoping to _create_ rumors. Silly troll.

    8. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      In other words, "DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ AND LEARN FROM INDEPENDENT SOUNDS. ONLY THE 'FACTS' AS PRESENTED BY THIS 'ANONYMOUS COWARD' — JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES, aka RAYMOND JOHNSON, aka MICHAEL RUDRA NATH, aka LUIS MANUEL ARSUPIAL, SOMEONE WHO CLEARLY HAS SOME SORT OF PSYCHOTIC RAGE GOING TOWARD RACHEL HAYWIRE — SHOULD BE GIVEN CONSIDERATION." Seriously, Mr. Hughes: if you hope to be at all persuasive, you really need to put a little more effort into writing as though you were something other than an utter lunatic, spraying spittle all over the keyboard as you pound in your screeds.

    9. Re:Ken Goffman is a huckster and charlatan by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      Found on http://joostiz.tumblr.com/: "Can we please keep the crazy out of this forum?" That's you they're talking about, Mr. Hughes. (Or is it "Johnson" this week? How many sets of ID do you carry around, anyway?)

  7. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by jdagius · · Score: 1

    Think of it as "brain implant", i.e. humans will, in effect, guide their own evolution by integrating relatively "low-tech" capabilities such as Googling for information or sending/receiving messages/emails directly into the human brain, where it then becomes very, very "high-tech". So it requires some advanced techniques in neural surgery (which are already becoming available) with computer technology that has existed for decades.

    But, of course, such "transhumans" will be genetically identical sans surgery to us ordinary folk, but will appear to be omniscient and telepathic.

  8. Re:Gibberish Rules by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's the Google billionaires I think who recently declared that computers and the internet are going to get embedded in everywhere and will become effectively invisible.
    In fact, computers have been embedded or "hidden" in consumer appliances since the 80s and the old stuff was sometimes more invisible than now (camera with automatic settings, car, washing machine). But now it's "on the internet" or at least on a local network ; sensors and wireless are considerably cheaper.
    Before I was born there was hype about that kind of stuff already but it was with serial lines and an 8-bit computer with 40 column text display.

  9. Re:Lousy AI by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    Embedding AI in the infrastructure of virtually everything in the first World has largely gone unnoticed, and indeed, once something wonderful is regarded as commonplace folks largely forget it is fueled by artificial intelligence.

    AI has advanced, simply not in the way popular culture predicted it once would.

    There will be little need for human-like replicants running about while humans themselves are inexpensively abundant.

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  10. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by ideonexus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Transhumanism is currently a hodgepodge of religious nonsense, visionary science fiction, and practical self-improvement. I confess I am a bit swept up in the romantic ideal of it. I love the idea of human improveability in the form of intellectual and technological advancement, extended lifespans, higher quality of life, and even post-scarcity economies.

    The religious nonsense part of it is best embodied in Ray Kurzweil's singularity (also known as the nerd rapture), the idea that humanity will soon upload our minds to computers and live forever. I can't imagine us not having this technology before the end of the century--especially with efforts like the UK's Human Brain Project and America's BRAIN Initiative AND a proof of concept with researchers mapping a worm's brain into a legobot and having it "come alive". HOWEVER: I also don't pin any personal hopes for immortality on this research because we are making copies of our minds, so even if my mind joins the singularity, I will still die--probably bitterly jealous of my immortal self having all that virtual sex in technoheaven.

    For me, the science fiction of transhumanism is all about vision and inspiration, and not about dreams of salvation and immortality like Kurzweil promotes. The science fiction part of it is most accessible through Star Trek, but in reality our transhumanist future will probably be more like the wild visions of Charles Stross' Accelerando, or my personal favorite the Quantum Thief Trilogy by Hannu Rajaniemi. These books drop you into settings filled with Matrioshka brains (Dyson Spheres made of computronium), and force the reader to confront all the uncomfortable otherness that comes with virtual life.

    Another great science fiction resource is the Creative Commons Eclipse Phase RPG, which takes place in a future where humanity has colonized solar system and extended out into the Oort Cloud. Each planet and environment requiring different engineering and culture adaptations to survive. You can download all the books in PDF format. These books are a fantastic jumping-point for the imagining what a post-human future might look like.

    This all said, I am not a fan of Sirius' encyclopedia. I was looking for practical, real-world things I can do right now to enhance my life through science and technology. Instead, I got very thin treatments of many subjects, overstatements of medical advances, important subjects left out (like the 19th Century Russian Cosmism movement (precursor to transhumanism)), and a general lack of leads to new areas to research. I get way more information from Wikipedia-surfing than I got from this book. I do appreciate his efforts though. If he gets more people into the idea of transhumanism, then more people will collaborate on it, we'll have more hacks for better living, and more people thinking about the future and human progress.

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  11. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

    I was looking for practical, real-world things I can do right now to enhance my life through science and technology.

    That doesn't look like it was the point of the book. It looks like an overview of the field, not a how-to guide.

    Instead, I got very thin treatments of many subjects

    I don't think that's fair. According to Amazon, the book covers 90+ topics in 288 pages. I don't see how they could be in-depth about any of them.

    important subjects left out (like the 19th Century Russian Cosmism movement (precursor to transhumanism))

    The Cosmism entry is on page 52.

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  12. Re:What exactly is Transhumanism ? by robmyers · · Score: 1

    The book explicitly mentions Russian Cosmism, although in reference to contemporary Cosmism. Do encyclopedias usually tell you how to do practical things? That sounds more like an instruction manual than an encyclopedia. I think the book is a good introduction to the existence of the ideas and how they relate, and to Transhumanism as a *culture*.

  13. Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by Jay.Cornell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am the co-author of this book (and disappointingly unnamed in this discussion), so I thought I would register and reply to a few points.

    Just as reporters often don’t get to write the headlines for their stories, authors don’t always have final say about the titles of their books. Our working title was “The User’s Guide to Transhumanism,” which I think would have been a little more on-point. The word “encyclopedia” notwithstanding, we couldn’t cover everything, certainly not in any depth, in the number of words we had to work with. However, contrary to a post above, we do have an entry on Cosmism. Since the entries are alphabetical, I don’t know how the commenter missed it.

    We tried hard to be objective. While we are both largely supportive of transhumanism, neither of us are starry-eyed “believers,” and I think the book (and even the interviews linked in the story) make that clear. We at least mention the criticisms and potential downsides of transhumanism, and in fact there’s a relatively lengthy entry called “Criticisms of Transhumanism” which is online.

    Unfortunately there is an "Anonymous Coward" trolling this discussion, making a lot of wild and baseless charges. I’ve known R.U. for nearly 30 years, and it’s completely absurd to call him “fascist"/"sexist"/"racist"/"elitist"/"technocratic" by any normal meanings of those terms. I’d describe him as somewhere on the left on many issues, but he’s hard to pigeonhole politically. I would never consider him a dogmatist or even much of a joiner. (For the record, I’m a sort of impure libertarian who tries to take a somewhat distant and objective view of politics, and is often more willing to compromise with the left or right than a libertarian is “supposed to.”)

    Whatever Peter Thiel funds, sadly, he’s not funding me or R.U. We could use some of that money. The Anonymous Coward is seeing conspiracies where none exist (as far as I know, at least). Transhumanism is a large, diverse thing, with many political and personal divisions and factions. Some people in it one could fairly call “right-wing” or “neo-reactionary,” but there are also many who could be fairly called “left-wing” or “socialist.” Labeling all advocates of transhumanism as "fascist" or "technocratic" is simply ignorant.

    It's self-interested of me to say this, but I would recommend that people buy and read the book, and make up your own mind. We think it will be entertaining and informative for people interested in transhumanism, or in the future in general. If you think we've made an error or left something out, contact us through our website and we'll fix it in the next edition (which we hope will happen). In any case, please don't jump to conclusions based on anonymous mud-slinging.

    1. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      A thousand word to say what could be said in a sentence. I suppose amongst these future squawkers you would include Von Braun and his future visions of moon ships and humans living in space. Because 100 to 60 years ago people like you were saying exactly the same kind of thing about him. They were saying the world would never need more than five computers, that science and medicine had already reached a pinnacle. Come to think of it 100 years ago people like you including serious 'real' scientists were saying how heavier than air manned flight would never be impossible..

      The only reason many futurist visions remain impossible is because they lack the funding. University funding is still based on the theory that we must focus our resources on better 'buggy whips' and 'horse carts' and that these new fangled 'horseless carriages' will never amount to anything. I've seen it at first hand - they repeat the same experiment a thousand times, but are afraid to try anything radical or new.. it might get criticised in peer review and they could loose reputation and money.
      Way back in 1990 I did some theoretical design work on nano-tech assemblers - advocates then estimated that with funding they were about 10 to 20 years in the future - they are still about 10 to 20 years in the future. Nano-tech actually got at least some of that funding but most of it got diverted off into more 'buggy whips' and improved 'horse carts'..

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    2. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Always proof read before hitting submit!! -
      "A thousand words to say what could be said in a sentence."
      ''Come to think of it 100 years ago people like you, including many 'real' serious scientists were saying how heavier than air manned flight would never be possible.."
      "Way back in 1990 I did some theoretical design work on nano-tech assemblers - advocates then estimated that with funding assemblers were about 10 to 20 years in the future - they are still about 10 to 20 years in the future."

      Stupid SD interface!

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    3. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      "SHE BURNED DOWN SOME GUY'S HOUSE AND CAR!" No, she didn't. That's a lie. You claimed that I burned down your house and your car, too. Sadly for you, no one's ever been charged — "too many potential suspects" is what I heard — the cops think you're a complete lunatic, and it seems just as likely that you torched it yourself in the hopes of blaming one of your imaginary "enemies" for it. Poor sad, crazy, stupid, addled Extinct Marsupial. (Watch him drag out his heavily-edited and out-of-context set of cherry-picked quotes from some ten-year-old flame war now.)

    4. Re:Co-Author Jay Cornell Replies by stonemirror · · Score: 1

      NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES (aka MICHAEL RUDRA NATH, aka RAYMOND JOHNSON, aka LUIS ARSUPIAL).