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Massive Layoff Underway At IBM

Tekla Perry writes: Project Chrome, a massive layoff that IBM is pretending is not a massive layoff, is underway. At more than 100,000 people, it is projected to be the largest mass layoff by any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years. Alliance@IBM, the IBM employees' union, says it has so far collected reports of 5000 jobs eliminated, but those are just numbers of those getting official layoff notices. According to anecdotal reports, IBM appears to be abusing the performance appraisal system to cut additional employees without officially laying them off.

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  1. But We Need More H1-Bs! by KermodeBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We just can't find enough tech workers here in the USA! Honest!

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    1. Re:But We Need More H1-Bs! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, we should greet H1-Bs with open arms . . . if they were for executive management positions.

      There is no problem with regular IBM employees.

      They are just extremely poorly managed.

      That is IBM's problem.

      Don't they have a Board of Directors, or something like that . . . ?

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  2. let's not beat around the bush by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Layoff is the most disingenuous patronizing goddamned thing these rich assholes could say. Call it what it is. You don't want to give up a yacht this year, so you're firing a city the size of boulder Colorado. Call me cynical, but the ship is officially sinking.

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  3. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by Kwelstr · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is disgusting really, and it's all about satisfying Wall Street. Read Cringely for more info, he's being blogging about this IBM situation for a couple of years. :-/

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  4. Meanwhile Lenovo is doing well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Meanwhile Lenovo, the PC business they sold off that moved into tablets and smartphones is doing really well. All of the same chinese factories and technologies are available to IBM that were available to Lenovo, only the management was different. One decided it couldn't make money on making actual computer stuff, the other went ahead and made actual computer stuff.

    One went a route of selling vague data mining services at high prices, a bit of patent trolling, and slow expensive lock-in mainframes. The other made stuff people want without the hard selling to dumb middle managers.

  5. let's not beat around the bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Cynical,
    Please refrain from discussion on a personal level regarding my recent purchase of another yacht. I would not ask you to give back the single dollar menu hamburger you are feeding your three children, that just wouldn't be ethical on my part. So I ask you please give the same respect back to your 1% overlords.
    Thank you for your time in this matter,
    Make it a great day!

  6. Speculated at for over a year by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The speculation is that IBM is trying to push the dividend to a record level. In the process they may very well destroy the company. Because the only way to get the dividend to that level is to basically wipe out long term profits for a short term boost.

    That's probably the goal, the new MBA generation from the baby boomers is taking the point of view of taking every dime out of the company and giving it to the insiders even if it guts a major American corporation and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost to China.

    It's funny but the CEO from the Movie Dick and Jane reminds me so much of these CEO's that are only out for themselves, yet he was supposed to be fictional.

    1. Re:Speculated at for over a year by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      IBM used to stand for International Business Machines. Now it apparently stands for "It's Been MBA'd."

      I've Been Married and I've Being Managed but It's Better Manually now It's Broken Mate. I Believe Magic yet I'm Being Micromanaged Into Becoming Mediocre.

      It Broke Me.

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  7. my prayers go out to my fellow nerds at IBM by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure many Slashdot readers will be directly affected by this, either being laid off themselves, surviving the layoffs only to go work in turmoil every day, or have their spouse or other loved one laid off. That's hard to deal with. Times will get better, of course, but it sure may not seem like it right now. Our hearts go out to you.

    1. Re:my prayers go out to my fellow nerds at IBM by ancientt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you for some perspective. I've been reading the other posts and I've been just a little disgusted by the entitlement attitude throughout. I've worked for a company that went under, worked for a division that was eliminated, worked for a company that couldn't pay me for a while and been fired for problems that weren't my fault (that's four different employers.) It sucks, but none of them owed me a job. I'm not owed a job even now when I feel I'm doing great work for the company that employs me.

      I was very close to writing a snarky post.

      Your comment reminded me how much it sucks to wonder how you're going to get by, what you're going to do to take care of your children and if you'll ever get back to where you were. IBM may need to do this; they've been slowly building to an implosion for decades. I'd love to have IBM come back. I root for companies that can come back from the brink of oblivion, like Yahoo is, like Microsoft is trying to and like Radio Shack has failed to manage. I hope that in ten years, when my children are telling me about how cool IBM is, I'll be able to say that there was a time it looked like they were doomed before they turned it around however painfully.

      To those who have to find new jobs, I add my heart goes out to you and I hope I get to work with you some day when we can both look back on this as a point when things started to get better.

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  8. Source??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where is this 100,000 number coming from? The linked article says 5,000 are documented, and then asserts without proof that the full number is/will be 100,000.

    Until there's more evidence, I don't believe the 100,000 number.

    What ever happened to skepticism (in the original, benign sense of the word) or critical thinking skills?

    (This is NOT an assertion that there will be substantially less than 100,000 layoffs. So please, no one claim I'm saying that.)

  9. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by ZipK · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know a company has to be profitable to keep people employed...

    IBM's net profit in FY2014 was $15.75B (down from $16.48B in FY2013).

  10. It's rebalancing, not layoffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    IBM is just leveraging growth opportunities in the cloud to core competencies and strategic initiatives. They are executing a bold plan that will address urgent customer needs through CAMSS (Cloud, Analytics, Mobile, Social and Security). It is an exciting and prescient vision and a great time to be at IBM!

  11. You are the 1% by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you have a 401(k) or any kind of mutual fund investment, you are part of Wall Street. That's how the system works, it's not spinning in a vacuum. That 6% return you got last year did not fall from the sky, it ended up in your pockets because institutional shareholders put pressure on companies like IBM to help the stock price and/or pay more dividends.

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    1. Re:You are the 1% by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have a 401(k) or any kind of mutual fund investment, you are part of Wall Street. That's how the system works, it's not spinning in a vacuum. That 6% return you got last year did not fall from the sky, it ended up in your pockets because institutional shareholders put pressure on companies like IBM to help the stock price and/or pay more dividends.

      Clearly you doesn't understand what "the 1%" refers to. Here's the information you need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

    2. Re:You are the 1% by Headw1nd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      you are among the 1% of global citizens

      Your math doesn't work out. The global population is roughly 7 billion, 1% of that is 70 million. There are more than 70 million people with flushing toilets, computers, and homes in the US alone, and there are other places where our standard of living, or better, is just as common (i.e. Canada, Japan, a surprising amount of the Mideast, most of Europe, ect.) At best what you describe is the global 1% is now the global 10%, and is probably more like the global 25%. Why do I bring this up? Because the old "you don't know how good you have it" is getting really old. Americans have been told that for fifty years now, as other countries have steadily overtaken us in quality of life, and as more and more of our income flows to fewer and fewer of our citizens. It's nothing more than a distraction, a rhetorical trick to try and avoid conversation about what's really been going on.

    3. Re:You are the 1% by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would mod this up if I wasn't boycotting the mod system.

      About 15-20 years ago, a gig in the US was a great opportunity for a Canadian IT worker. Now the big US companies bring in cheap Indian and Chinese workers, and it's the few American IT workers who find a gig in Canada that are lucky.

      I'm not saying that Indian or Chinese workers are less qualified (it doesn't take a PhD to figure out how to configure Exchange anyways) but the fact is that money is bleeding out of the country instead of pouring in.

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    4. Re:You are the 1% by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're an American with your own computer, a place to plug it in, and a toilet that flushes, you may goddamn well rest assured that you are among the 1% of global citizens.

      Actually it's more like somewhere 8-11%.

      You have a lot more to lose from a class war than you could ever have to gain.

      Well, no. That's a stupid thing to say, and you are a stupid coward for saying it. I gain a great deal if my neighbor isn't starving and either turning to cooking meth or theft

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  12. that happens, but 11 failing quarters in a row by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sometimes some management forgets that employees are stakeholders just like the people who have invested their savings are. In this case, IBM has had 11 consecutive quarters (three years) of falling sales. If they don't take decisive action to turn things around, the company will be gone and everyone will be out of a job. They haven't been able to keep brining in the money selling the old products and services, cloud services are keeping them alive for now but Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple dominate cloud, so there is no guarantee that IBM will be able to exist on cloud revenue five years from now. It sucks, but the truth is, IBM hasn't kept their customers happy, and with the customers leaving there isn't money to pay workers. On the other hand, Apple is opening a huge new data center where some ex-IBM staff might work, and several companies are expanding operations in Texas.

    1. Re:that happens, but 11 failing quarters in a row by Kabukiwookie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The management responsible for these layoffs don't care that much if they're out of a job. Every C-level manager only has to work 1 year after which they could afford never to have to work a day in their life.

      People below that... not so much.

      When Carly was CEO at HP, she had a 4 million dollar salary and at some point she gave herself a 16 million dollar bonus for saving lots of money (almost all HP employees waived 1 day's worth of salary at Carly's request just a few month's before she gave herself that bonus).

      The current HP CEO on the other hand already has a 16 million dollar salary package. If HP goes tits up tomorrow, she's really not going to lose any sleep over it.

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  13. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, same cat.

    He basically says that since IBM is going downhill and losing market share, they should just continue to do what they are doing now, with the same people.

    I bought absolutely nothing from IBM in the last 10 years. I plan to buy nothing from them in the next 10 years. I use none of their services. So it makes sense to me for them to become a smaller company.

  14. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    They didn't need to do this to stay profitable.

    Companies exist to produce profits, not to provide employment. If an employee is not providing net value, then it is better for the company, and the overall economy, for that employee to go somewhere else. In the long run, it is better for the employee as well.

  15. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't need to do this to stay profitable.

    Companies exist to produce profits, not to provide employment. If an employee is not providing net value, then it is better for the company, and the overall economy, for that employee to go somewhere else. In the long run, it is better for the employee as well.

    You do know that layoffs lead to your most experienced productive staff leaving, because it's easy for them to get employment elsewhere right? So while a big corp thinks layoffs are a way of losing the chaff, it's more effective at losing the wheat. Slowly hiring if you want to grow and slowly losing staff through attrition if you want to get smaller is the right way. If your business sucks, get your staff to start new ones internally. If they're competent, they'll have plenty of ideas.

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  16. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right, but if you are the top 10% performance rating and you see layoffs, you start looking. Regardless of how much profit they are making, you see that they are going to grow their profit by downsizing and that says a lot right there to someone with a long career ahead of them: 1) it may one day be you, 2) They're probably going to "core competancy" themselves into stagnation, your skills will degrade and you will get bored, 3) If you were upwardly mobile, your chances of promotion are going to shrink, 4) New projects, new development, etc. are all going to be shelved in place of band-aids for what exists, not good for you personally, 5) They'll use this as an excuse to reduce bonuses and give fewer RSUs/stock options, you probably can get a better deal elsewhere.

    In a nutshell there's never a good reason to stay around a company that is laying off like this. The only reason is comfort.

  17. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. IBM is not asking for volunteers. They are cutting their under-performers. Employees usually know which of their coworkers are deadwood, and if done right, some pruning can lead to a morale boost. The big risk is if you don't cut deep enough and have to come back for another round.

    This certainly was false in my area during the last big round of layoffs. (No word yet on whether we'll be seeing layoffs this time round or not.) High performers were cut as well as low performers. You're right that we know who falls into which category -- and it is very obvious that they're not just cutting underperformers.

    In addition, whenever there are ill-conceived layoffs in process, there are always some employees that decide that they have had enough of taking on extra work while waiting for the axe to fall on themselves, and jump ship of their own accord. We've seen a couple of those already, and they tend to be high performers themselves -- since they're the ones who are confident of being able to find another job.

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  18. Re:Not A Charity by technomom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and yet the CEO just got a big raise after profits and revenue turned down for the 11th consecutive quarter. Go figure.

  19. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "They are cutting their under-performers"

    They are cutting top performers who are in their 50's and 60's and closing in on the longevity needed for certain insurance and pension benefits.

    And being top performers they are relatively well paid.

    Has nothing to do with under performance, although IBM instructed their management to give an underperformance review along with the termination date so they could cut the severance in half to 13 weeks or nothing when they put them on "performance improvement needed in 30 days" plan.

    Looks to me from the outside like they choose the least costly way based on management's take on need from each "resource" for transition help.

  20. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by andymadigan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That may be true, but they're being very underhanded in the way that they're conducting these layoffs. Apparently some employees took a deal in the past couple of years that protected them from layoffs, in return for early retirement after a few years of reduced hours. The only exception was if they got the lowest score on their evaluation. Suddenly competent employees are being found incompetent, so that they can be fired.

    That's one example. I don't work for IBM, never did, and after they pull this, they'll have trouble convincing anyone who has another option to work for them. They've screwed themselves for years, any agreement they make is clearly not worth the paper it's written on.

    I think IBM's management must know the company is in its death throes, they're just slowly shedding people to minimize chaos.

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  21. Re:Tsk. And they wonder where employee loyalty wen by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Companies exist to produce profits

    Nope. Companies exist for the benefit of society. There is no natural limit of liability and there is no natural corporate personhood. These are all artifices of law because it is believed that it is to the benefit of the country with those laws that such things exist.

    That and only that is why companies exist.

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