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Canada, Japan Cave On Copyright Term Extension In TPP

An anonymous reader writes Last month, there were several Canadian media reports on how the work of Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond, had entered the public domain. While this was oddly described as a "copyright quirk", it was no quirk. The term of copyright in Canada (alongside TPP countries such as Japan and New Zealand) is presently life of the author plus an additional 50 years, a term that meets the international standard set by the Berne Convention. Those countries now appear to have caved to U.S. pressure as there are reports that they have agreed to extend to life plus 70 years as part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

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  1. Copyright is Now Perpetual by skywire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

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    1. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

      And laws retroactively changing public contract, and that long after the official benificiary excuse is dead.

    2. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So much for "Original intent". One of the clearest things about copyright in the constitution was it was there for a limited period so the work can make it to commons for others to build on. The same frauds that push the "Original Intent" dogma when if comes to reeling in corporate malfeasance are the same people that push Micky Mouse Copyright.

    3. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These days copyright and patents mean whatever the fuck corporations tell the American government it means ... who then dutifully work to force it on the rest of the world.

      Because sadly the American government are more or less just the enforcement arm for multinational entities.

      O.O <--- shoot Mickey Mouse

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    4. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and they wonder why there is a 'war on content owners/providers' by torrent/usenet fans.

      they wont' play by the rules, they keep changing them and they do everything they can to swindle cheat and lie to us.

      and so, we have 100% lost all respect for them.

      horse has already left the barn. I stopped paying for content years ago after I decided that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. they wont' honor rules and so neithe will I.

      look, content guys, this is a war you'll never win. you really want to 'bring it'? the young generation knows about vpns, torrents and how to get around DRM. most of the young friends I have cut the cord and no longer pay for cable or satellite, no longer rent movies and no longer buy them.

      so, you still want to have a war with us?

      as morgan freeman said in the batman/dark knight movie, "well, good luck with that".

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    5. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by aynoknman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

      And why would that be wrong? Drawing parallels between copyrighted materials and real estate (since there are many similarities)

      There are also significant differences. If I build a house on your property, you can't. If I make a new book based on ideas from "your" book, It doesn't stop anyone else from doing the same. You don't care, you've been dead for 50 years.

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    6. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and they wonder why there is a 'war on content owners/providers' by torrent/usenet fans.

      Widespread piracy of copyrighted material has very little to do with copyright terms being continuously extended. The vast majority of material available on bittorrent and usenet are recent works, not things that would have fallen out of copyright even under 14-year term of original US copyright law.

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    7. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by newcastlejon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All land should be rented, never bought, for basically the annual property taxes.

      That's just silly. If something can't be bought then it isn't worth anything, because things are only worth what they can be traded for.

      Just how can you own land anyway? You can certainly go back quite a long time in terms of trades and sales but sooner or later you get to a point where the land was seized by the man with the bigger gun/spear/stick/rock.

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  2. It's all about the incentive by l2718 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the abstract, the situation seems obvious. First, it's ridiculous to think that there are any marginal artistic works which are only created because the extra 20 years of protection in US law make them profitable, whereas they would not be made otherwise. Moreover, any such works can't be any good, so why worry about them? Second, it clearly makes no sense to extend the term of protection of already-existing works: they have already been created, so we don't need to provide the artists any extra motivation to create them.

    What matters here, however, is not the setting of incentives for authors, but the incentives of trade negotiators. Here, the US is behaving rationally: if the US negotiators convince Canada and Japan to keep Mickey Mouse under protection for 20 more years, then more royalties will flow from Canada to the US. This may be bad for Canadians, but not so much for US citizens. More generally, since the US is a large source of popular entertainment but a (relative to its size) a small importer, it wants other goverments to fleece their own citizens in favour of US interests.

    While I'm sad that Canada caved on this, Canada is a (relatively) small country next to a big one, and (for example) trade restrictions on lumber are far more significant to Canada than the copyright extension. I stil think they should have stood firm, but it's not such an obvious call as it seems.

  3. its almost as if theyre trying. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    its like commercial capitalism doesnt learn. Healthcare for example got so bad, so reprehensible and so broken in america that the federal government damned near stepped in and nationalized it. Internet access in america became so godforsaken slow and corrupt the government not only redefined the legal definition of broadband and tripled the speed, but re-classified internet service as common carrier. The institutional precedent for profiteering not withstanding, you'd think more multinational conglomerates would take a step back to avoid losing a large swath of their monopolies but no.

    TPP proposes copyright legislation that could render generic pharmaceuticals nonexistent. It ships jobs away, strengthens corporate personhood, and turns regulations like the FCC, FDA, and OSHA into things that can actually be sued if they cause a loss in revene for a company. If you consider unemployment in america to include the legal definition as well as "jobless" which isn't typically counted, america hovers around 24% unemployment largely systemic and driven by things like NAFTA so what does the TPP mean in the long run?

    Piracy can and will continue, and in large part may even become legitimized. Large scale work strikes and protests will likely see the return of unionization if recent protests are any indication. And finally if you grow the unemployment rate enough, you'll enjoy another round of occupy protests that might not be as peaceful as the last ones. But ultimately pushing this type of trade serves to de-legitimize american capitalism. You can no longer, with a straight face, stand in front of a room full of children and commend a system that will render so many of them unemployed and poor that to say it was their fault for being lazy would be a comic farse at best, and a grave insult at worst.

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    1. Re:its almost as if theyre trying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee, it's almost like unfettered or barely regulated capitalism never delivers what people want, but instead tries to take whatever it possibly can by whatever means available. Just the Invisible Hand of the marketplace slapping you in the face again.

      Of course, admitting that for your average idiot in the US would mean admitting that they were lied to and that they bought into the lie despite its very premise being bad for their own individual economic situation just about all the time. The cognitive dissonance that sort of thing causes in this country is almost audible.

  4. Re:how stupid by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Copyright terms should be max(author, spouse). When you're dead, it's time to pay society back for what you have built on top of a civilization that was here long before you were born.

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  5. Bend Over Canada! by HannethCom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't surprise me we are being asked to bend over. We do have Harper as the Prime Minister and he would have us bow down and take it from all our capitalist overlords. The Conservative Party is big business, thus they don't care about the 99.99997% of people in this country. (I estimated there are about 1000 big business owners)

    Face it, we started taking in the ass the second the Conservatives got a majority government. It wasn't if this was going to happen, just a matter of when and how big would the objects be.

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    1. Re:Bend Over Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree Harper is bad but we've been taking it in the ass from the States for a lot longer than Harper's Cronies have been in power.

      Remember, it was Mulroney that brought us NAFTA while lining his own pockets!

  6. Re:Shocker by Altrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's natural and fine. A good democratic society is a majority rules as its impossible for everyone to have everything they want all at the same time.

    The problem comes in when a small minority has the ability to push for laws that are against the benefit of the majority and the majority isn't given the opportunity to fight back in any meaningful sense.

    Copyright is exactly a prime example of this -- a small number of major copyright holders keep pushing for extensions and they usually get them because while a lack of public domain is terribly for society as a whole, it has very little impact on any individual person and the majority ends up not even realizing what they're losing until its too late, never mind being able to put up a meaningful fight against these perpetual extensions.

    We do have groups like the EFF and OpenMedia nowadays who are fighting back a little bit, and even having some success in certain areas, but Disney's politician buying power dwarfs the combined resources of all those groups put together, likely many times over. Add in Sony and Universal and whoever else and the playing field is still pretty unbalanced even with public interest groups taken into account.

  7. Re:how stupid by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't read what isn't available, and without entering the public domain, works become unavailable.