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Canada, Japan Cave On Copyright Term Extension In TPP

An anonymous reader writes Last month, there were several Canadian media reports on how the work of Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond, had entered the public domain. While this was oddly described as a "copyright quirk", it was no quirk. The term of copyright in Canada (alongside TPP countries such as Japan and New Zealand) is presently life of the author plus an additional 50 years, a term that meets the international standard set by the Berne Convention. Those countries now appear to have caved to U.S. pressure as there are reports that they have agreed to extend to life plus 70 years as part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

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  1. Copyright is Now Perpetual by skywire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

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    1. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

      And laws retroactively changing public contract, and that long after the official benificiary excuse is dead.

    2. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you can bet that within a couple years, Disney (and other corporations) will push for another extension. Lord knows, we can't have Mickey Mouse enter the public domain "on schedule" in 2023.

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    3. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So much for "Original intent". One of the clearest things about copyright in the constitution was it was there for a limited period so the work can make it to commons for others to build on. The same frauds that push the "Original Intent" dogma when if comes to reeling in corporate malfeasance are the same people that push Micky Mouse Copyright.

    4. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These days copyright and patents mean whatever the fuck corporations tell the American government it means ... who then dutifully work to force it on the rest of the world.

      Because sadly the American government are more or less just the enforcement arm for multinational entities.

      O.O <--- shoot Mickey Mouse

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    5. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and they wonder why there is a 'war on content owners/providers' by torrent/usenet fans.

      they wont' play by the rules, they keep changing them and they do everything they can to swindle cheat and lie to us.

      and so, we have 100% lost all respect for them.

      horse has already left the barn. I stopped paying for content years ago after I decided that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. they wont' honor rules and so neithe will I.

      look, content guys, this is a war you'll never win. you really want to 'bring it'? the young generation knows about vpns, torrents and how to get around DRM. most of the young friends I have cut the cord and no longer pay for cable or satellite, no longer rent movies and no longer buy them.

      so, you still want to have a war with us?

      as morgan freeman said in the batman/dark knight movie, "well, good luck with that".

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    6. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Ark42 · · Score: 2

      Yes. All land should be rented, never bought, for basically the annual property taxes. If land becomes more valuable, property taxes should go up, and if you no longer want to rent that piece of land because it's too expensive, somebody else can.

    7. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by aynoknman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Despite protestations to the contrary, and US Supreme Court legalism, copyright is now perpetual.

      And why would that be wrong? Drawing parallels between copyrighted materials and real estate (since there are many similarities)

      There are also significant differences. If I build a house on your property, you can't. If I make a new book based on ideas from "your" book, It doesn't stop anyone else from doing the same. You don't care, you've been dead for 50 years.

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    8. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Territorial ownership is a natural right. It is recognized by even primitive human societies. Many mammals, birds, fish, and even many invertebrates, own and defend territory. It is a right that exists even in the absence of government. Ownership of ideas or expressions is not a natural right. It does not exist anywhere in nature, and does not exist in the absence of government enforcement.

    9. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      and they wonder why there is a 'war on content owners/providers' by torrent/usenet fans.

      You are not being intellectually honest. People do not download stuff to protest copyright extensions.

    10. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because a house is rival while a novel in the abstract is non-rival. You can't have a million people occupying a house simultaneously, at least without great risk of damage and danger, but you can have a billion people reading the same book at the same time without the book or the people being harmed. The tragedy of the commons only applies to rival goods. That's why it's a good idea to remove 'intellectual property' from your vocabulary, because economically, the subjects of copyright and patents have completely different traits than physical objects.

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    11. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      they wont' play by the rules, they keep changing them and they do everything they can to swindle cheat and lie to us.

      I was about to comment that they play by the rules, but keep open the option to change the rules at any point if it suits them. Then, I remembered that the big content companies have repeatedly been found to ignore copyright law when they feel like it. So it isn't even a matter of "everyone follow these laws we've written" but one of "everyone else follow these laws we've written but we're going to do whatever we feel like doing."

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    12. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by KlomDark · · Score: 2

      Yep, it's really that simple. Life is a binary equation.

    13. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and they wonder why there is a 'war on content owners/providers' by torrent/usenet fans.

      Widespread piracy of copyrighted material has very little to do with copyright terms being continuously extended. The vast majority of material available on bittorrent and usenet are recent works, not things that would have fallen out of copyright even under 14-year term of original US copyright law.

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    14. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by newcastlejon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All land should be rented, never bought, for basically the annual property taxes.

      That's just silly. If something can't be bought then it isn't worth anything, because things are only worth what they can be traded for.

      Just how can you own land anyway? You can certainly go back quite a long time in terms of trades and sales but sooner or later you get to a point where the land was seized by the man with the bigger gun/spear/stick/rock.

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    15. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      You also have to take in mind the public respect for the institution in general. Most people alive today in the US have not only had the public domain not grow in their lifetimes, it's actually shrank due to retroactive copyright. It's easier to get people to follow laws when said laws are reasonable, so having unreasonable laws can lead to breaking the law even in situations where it would be covered by a reasonable law. That's part of why drug and alcohol prohibition are so dangerous, as it gets people in the habit of breaking the law, which undermines respect for the law.

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    16. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      As I explained above, it could be a matter of the law being unreasonable causes greater contempt for the law. If you ask someone to wait 5 years, they are more likely to obey that than if they have to wait until after they are dead before it is in the public domain.

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    17. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      And why would that be wrong?

      Because the Constitution explicitly states "securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right ." In other words, it is unconstitutional. Various studies of the legal interpretation of the time tell us that "limited times" means 99 years or less (which is why, for example, the British lease of Hong Kong only lasted for 99 years).

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    18. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Most people alive today in the US have not only had the public domain not grow in their lifetimes, it's actually shrank due to retroactive copyright.

      ... and the vast majority of downloaders are unaware of that. Even if they were aware, they wouldn't care, because they are downloading new stuff, not Disney cartoons from the 1920s.

    19. Re:Copyright is Now Perpetual by Rennt · · Score: 2

      I certainly download stuff because the copyright bargain is no longer respected by the "owners". I absolutely download stuff because copyright maximalists and their business models are a cancer. I pay for things ONLY when it actually goes toward incentivizing creation and not towards enriching rent seekers. You might say that's not a protest but it's certainly a moral choice.

  2. US Pressure? by snadrus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The American people don't want this.
    The music corporations are entirely non-US companies.
    Copyrights are not beneficial to Search or Share Internet industries.
    The only remaining beneficiary is the movie industry, a relatively small group of people.

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    1. Re:US Pressure? by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Informative

      The music corporations are entirely non-US companies.

      That doesn't mean these corporations don't have their hand up my government's ass, working its mouth like a puppet.

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    2. Re:US Pressure? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      There was a panel of authors a few years ago arguing for shorter copyright because it would strengthen their bargaining position with their publishers. Most books make 90% (or more) of their profits within the first 7 years of publication, so there's little incentive to extend it and publishers survive by constantly producing a stream of new material. One of the reasons that they like eBooks is that it gives them a way of monetising their back catalogue, but for a lot of authors being able to give away their earlier works would be great advertising and make it easier to sell the new one without the backing of a big publisher (which is part of the reason that publishers are against it).

      Most software is completely obsolete within 7 years, almost nothing lasts 14. Maybe people would have been happy with a public domain Windows XP, but that's a pretty rare example (and a company can still make money producing security updates for such old software, even if it's in the public domain. The new patches will still be covered by copyright).

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  3. It's all about the incentive by l2718 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the abstract, the situation seems obvious. First, it's ridiculous to think that there are any marginal artistic works which are only created because the extra 20 years of protection in US law make them profitable, whereas they would not be made otherwise. Moreover, any such works can't be any good, so why worry about them? Second, it clearly makes no sense to extend the term of protection of already-existing works: they have already been created, so we don't need to provide the artists any extra motivation to create them.

    What matters here, however, is not the setting of incentives for authors, but the incentives of trade negotiators. Here, the US is behaving rationally: if the US negotiators convince Canada and Japan to keep Mickey Mouse under protection for 20 more years, then more royalties will flow from Canada to the US. This may be bad for Canadians, but not so much for US citizens. More generally, since the US is a large source of popular entertainment but a (relative to its size) a small importer, it wants other goverments to fleece their own citizens in favour of US interests.

    While I'm sad that Canada caved on this, Canada is a (relatively) small country next to a big one, and (for example) trade restrictions on lumber are far more significant to Canada than the copyright extension. I stil think they should have stood firm, but it's not such an obvious call as it seems.

    1. Re:It's all about the incentive by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      Negotiations are negotiations, if the US press one issue above all else, those other issues that might have benefited the US might not get through, plus the other side gets to get some of their stuff through.

      No, this is not rational, this is just narrowminded thinking by people who haven't realized even fucking mobile games is a bigger industry than Hollywood now.

  4. its almost as if theyre trying. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    its like commercial capitalism doesnt learn. Healthcare for example got so bad, so reprehensible and so broken in america that the federal government damned near stepped in and nationalized it. Internet access in america became so godforsaken slow and corrupt the government not only redefined the legal definition of broadband and tripled the speed, but re-classified internet service as common carrier. The institutional precedent for profiteering not withstanding, you'd think more multinational conglomerates would take a step back to avoid losing a large swath of their monopolies but no.

    TPP proposes copyright legislation that could render generic pharmaceuticals nonexistent. It ships jobs away, strengthens corporate personhood, and turns regulations like the FCC, FDA, and OSHA into things that can actually be sued if they cause a loss in revene for a company. If you consider unemployment in america to include the legal definition as well as "jobless" which isn't typically counted, america hovers around 24% unemployment largely systemic and driven by things like NAFTA so what does the TPP mean in the long run?

    Piracy can and will continue, and in large part may even become legitimized. Large scale work strikes and protests will likely see the return of unionization if recent protests are any indication. And finally if you grow the unemployment rate enough, you'll enjoy another round of occupy protests that might not be as peaceful as the last ones. But ultimately pushing this type of trade serves to de-legitimize american capitalism. You can no longer, with a straight face, stand in front of a room full of children and commend a system that will render so many of them unemployed and poor that to say it was their fault for being lazy would be a comic farse at best, and a grave insult at worst.

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    1. Re:its almost as if theyre trying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee, it's almost like unfettered or barely regulated capitalism never delivers what people want, but instead tries to take whatever it possibly can by whatever means available. Just the Invisible Hand of the marketplace slapping you in the face again.

      Of course, admitting that for your average idiot in the US would mean admitting that they were lied to and that they bought into the lie despite its very premise being bad for their own individual economic situation just about all the time. The cognitive dissonance that sort of thing causes in this country is almost audible.

    2. Re:its almost as if theyre trying. by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      The institutional precedent for profiteering not withstanding, you'd think more multinational conglomerates would take a step back to avoid losing a large swath of their monopolies but no.

      Your examples were healthcare and broadband internet.

      With healthcare the reform did not really change anybody's market share, and subsidies ensured that there would be more market participants. That is, companies that were making money before probably will make more money. That will sure teach them!

      With the internet we've yet to see what will happen, but so far the US government isn't really creating any new competitors in that space. If they allow municipal broadband and new companies to come in and it sticks, then that would get attention. However, it seems like the more likely outcome is that the big providers will be told "ok, you can keep your 1000% markups and 37 layers of fees, but these 3 fees in particular are just crossing the line." The punishment will be that they'll have to make due with 12 boatloads of money instead of 13.

    3. Re:its almost as if theyre trying. by blue9steel · · Score: 2

      Gee, it's almost like unfettered or barely regulated capitalism never delivers what people want, but instead tries to take whatever it possibly can by whatever means available.

      Capitalism is essentially an interconnected system of optimizers, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to optimize for values you consider most important. Yes, it sucks, but everything else we've tried has sucked more.

    4. Re:its almost as if theyre trying. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Such as?
      At this point in history, free market economics has delivered more goods and better lives, by a wide margin, to a greater number of people than any other economic system tried by mankind. In the last century we have seen why it has worked this way. So, please lay out your alternative economic system in a way which does not contain the flaws so clearly demonstrated in every other attempt to organize economic activity.
      Here is the flaw in a nutshell: People are greedy and almost always use any power they have to improve their position at the expense of others. Any system which relies on one group of people controlling everyone else's desire to take advantage of others is open to that group using their power to take advantage of others.

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  5. Re:how stupid by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Copyright terms should be max(author, spouse). When you're dead, it's time to pay society back for what you have built on top of a civilization that was here long before you were born.

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  6. US not the only one by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Further, the European Union initially demanded that Canada extend the term of copyright in the Canada – EU Trade Agreement, but that too was effectively rebuffed.

    The EU wanted the extension too. Maybe the EU alone could not apply enough pressure but it looks like the EU and the US can. The US is such a good target but they are not the only bad actors.

    PS. I am Canadian

  7. Think of the Children! by Maxwell · · Score: 3, Funny

    The grandkids I don't have yet could be in their 70's by the time copyrights on my work expires. They could be kicked out of their old age home! You wouldn't kick a senior out to the street would you?! This is a necessary change to protect future generations, and I applaud USA for being so forward thinking!

    1. Re:Think of the Children! by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      Is that you, Mark Twain?

  8. Re:how stupid by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

    The author isn't protected, the corporation is. Just like every other US law right now.

    The idea of copyright as put forth in the Constitution isn't really known right now. Copyright, no matter what your corporate buddies tell you, isn't this idea of "intellectual property" where work is held indefinitely so authors can squeeze every dime from it.

  9. Re:how stupid by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    I doubt it would benefit authors at all. Chances are they've sold their rights to a company.

    Copyright has been perverted.

    Copyright is a legal right created by the law of a country, that grants the creator of an original work exclusive rights to its use and distribution, usually for a limited time, with the intention of enabling the creator (e.g. the photographer of a photograph or the author of a book) to receive compensation for their intellectual effort

    The contemporary intent of copyright is to promote the creation of new works by giving authors control of and profit from them.

    I can't fathom how extending the terms after the works have been created is an incentive to create them in the first place.

  10. Bend Over Canada! by HannethCom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't surprise me we are being asked to bend over. We do have Harper as the Prime Minister and he would have us bow down and take it from all our capitalist overlords. The Conservative Party is big business, thus they don't care about the 99.99997% of people in this country. (I estimated there are about 1000 big business owners)

    Face it, we started taking in the ass the second the Conservatives got a majority government. It wasn't if this was going to happen, just a matter of when and how big would the objects be.

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    1. Re:Bend Over Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree Harper is bad but we've been taking it in the ass from the States for a lot longer than Harper's Cronies have been in power.

      Remember, it was Mulroney that brought us NAFTA while lining his own pockets!

  11. No surprise by msobkow · · Score: 2

    It's not a surprise with our cuntservative "leadership" kissing American and Israeli asses all the time. :(

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  12. Not just copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't just about a few early 007 tales going public domain. James Bond as a character in books and movies is only fully protected if the entire series is in copyright, as the Conan Doyle estate found out about Sherlock Holmes.

    In the end, this kind of scheming and legal pressure is disgusting. There's no sane nor sensible reason for copyrighted material to fund a life of ease for anyone past the lifetime of the author and often elderly spouse. Let the kids, grandkids and so-forth go out and work for a living. It'll do them good.

    And tying up all copyrights to protect a few lucrative ones is bad for society and authors. With little demand, books that might have remained as available in the public domain (i.e. Gutenberg) become unavailable. Everyone loses.

    My own attitude is that past a certain point that's several decades less than copyright now covers now, copyright should become pay-to-keep. Let these estates keep their precious little money machine in copyright another 50 years or so. But require them to fork over say a flat amount plus 25% of the resulting income to be used for literacy projects, restoring old films, and creating high-quality digital libraries.

    Most works would then go into the public domain while the greedy few (i.e. Disney) wouldn't have to buy off politicians and get every copyright extended just to extend theirs.

  13. Re:how stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a better idea... let them have Mickey forever, but make them work for it.

    1) All copyrights last for 5 year terms.
    2) Works cannot change from copyright to public domain except at the hand-off from one term to the next.
    3) Works cannot change from public domain to copyrighted. Ever. Not even for retroactive legislation.
    4) First term is automatic and requires no registration. Authors can pre-empt the first term by releasing to the public domain immediately. This essentially causes a change-of-status at the "hand-off" at the beginning of the first term, invalidating the first term.
    5) Second and later terms require registration and a fee.
    6) Ownership transfers are allowed on registered copyrights only. If an unregistered, first-term copyright is transferred, the registration must occur at time of transfer. At transfer, the remainder of the current, active term is transferred along with the copyright.
    7) Remaining portions of terms are never forfeit except under conviction of fraud.

    Now Disney can pay $$$ to the government every 5 years to keep Mickey to themselves, and less-interested parties can allow their copyrights to lapse.

    This also allows the US to say that copyright can be within 2.5 years of any number anyone else wants to enforce, increasing compatibility with foreign laws, all while increasing personal freedoms.

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  15. Re:how stupid by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    James Bond is actually a really good example. There have been a TON of issues with the rights regarding James Bond. James Bond could also appear as a character in other universes. I would love to be able to watch an episode of Archer in which Archer actually meets James Bond.

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  16. Edit calendar event by jargonburn · · Score: 2
    Remind in 2034: Begin lobbying to extend copyright to author's life + 90 years.

    (changed from 2014)

  17. Re:Shocker by Altrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's natural and fine. A good democratic society is a majority rules as its impossible for everyone to have everything they want all at the same time.

    The problem comes in when a small minority has the ability to push for laws that are against the benefit of the majority and the majority isn't given the opportunity to fight back in any meaningful sense.

    Copyright is exactly a prime example of this -- a small number of major copyright holders keep pushing for extensions and they usually get them because while a lack of public domain is terribly for society as a whole, it has very little impact on any individual person and the majority ends up not even realizing what they're losing until its too late, never mind being able to put up a meaningful fight against these perpetual extensions.

    We do have groups like the EFF and OpenMedia nowadays who are fighting back a little bit, and even having some success in certain areas, but Disney's politician buying power dwarfs the combined resources of all those groups put together, likely many times over. Add in Sony and Universal and whoever else and the playing field is still pretty unbalanced even with public interest groups taken into account.

  18. Re:how stupid by Altrag · · Score: 2

    No. Copyright should be a fixed term from time of publication, period. Having a potential cash cow is a (theoretically) good reason for an author or artist to produce a work. Having that cash cow dry up is a better reason for them to produce a second work than just "more money on top of what I've got."

    Of course very few works are still profitable after 15-20 years anyway so the "dry up" phase is mostly implicit regardless and the perpetual copyright terms effectively accomplish nothing except screwing the public domain.

  19. Re:Shocker by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

    The problem comes in when a small minority has the ability to push for laws that are against the benefit of the majority and the majority isn't given the opportunity to fight back in any meaningful sense.

    The part that you're missing is that "minority" and "majority" refer to dollars, not human beings.

  20. Re:Quit your belly aching! by Altrag · · Score: 2

    Because politicians are only shitty when they brand themselves republican or democrat.

    Thank god we don't have either of those up here in Canada. The conservatives absolutely wouldn't cave to corporate pressure on anything like copyright extensions!

    If the US ends up with a third (major) political party, the only thing that will really change is that you've got a third group to bitch about when they make laws that go against public interest. The reason small parties can make all sorts of grandiose claims about how they'll fix the system is because they're not in any sort of position to do that -- they don't understand how hard it is and more importantly, they don't understand the kinds of pressures they'll face against change. Compare pre-presidency pictures of Obama to now and see the effect of trying to change the system on the one guy who's (theoretically) most able to do so. Sure its been 7 years but holy hell has that guy aged.

  21. Re:how stupid by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't read what isn't available, and without entering the public domain, works become unavailable.

  22. Re:how stupid by aberglas · · Score: 2

    No, the US founding fathers got it right. 14 years from creation of the work, irrespective of the life of the author. Nobody produces content based on expected income in 15 years time.

    But this is nothing to do with promoting creative endeavors. It is about protecting libraries held by corporates.

  23. Re:The world caves before US! by Livius · · Score: 2

    Actually, the US is the leader in caving before stateless corporations.

  24. Who Cares by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

    thepiratebay.se is back, so none of this matters.

  25. Re:how stupid by dryeo · · Score: 2

    Actually the US just basically copied the Statute of Anne which limited copyright to 14+14 years for the advancement of learning. Even then the publishers were pushing for infinite copyright "for the authours" even though even then their business model was to pay the authour a small amount for all rights.
    Democracy was also failing then with the elected House of Commons quite willing to grant the infinite copyright and the unelected House of Lords putting their foot down and saying works need to enter the public domain after a reasonable time for others to benefit.

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  26. Re:Shocker by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Now but wait, according to constitutions all people within a society are meant to be equal. So according to US law if money equals speech than all people by law are required to have equal access, hence you should only be able to spend what the poorest can spend, otherwise you are publicly stating under law that all people are not equal and that some people are by law entitled to much, MUCH, greater speech than other people. So if money equals speech, then by constitutional law and people required to be equal with regard to elections the rich are not by the new interpretation of the law allowed to spend more than the poor on elections. As speech is required to be equal, one person one vote.

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