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Ask Slashdot: With Whom Do You Entrust Your Long Term Data?

jppiiroinen writes: F-Secure, a company based in Finland, has sold its cloud storage business to a U.S. company (Synchronoss Technologies, Inc) speculated to have ties to the NSA. In previous, public announcements, they used arguments equivalent to, "trust us, your data will be safe." Now, it's likely F-Secure simply realized that competing against the big players, such as Google and Dropbox, didn't make much sense.

But it makes me wonder: Whom do you trust with your data? And who really owns it? What about in 3-6 years from now? How should I make sure that I retain access to today's data 20 years from now? Is storing things locally even a reasonable option for most people? I have a lot of floppies and old IDE disks from the 90s around here, but no means to access them, and some of the CDs and DVDs has gone bad as well.

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  1. Same answer every time. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once you give your data to "the cloud" it ceases to be YOUR data.

    Now it belongs to whomever owns those servers.

    You want to keep it? Then keep it on your own hardware.

    1. Re:Same answer every time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This should be the only answer and this thread should be immediately be marked as "closed"

      The person who asked the question doesn't understand how computing works.

    2. Re:Same answer every time. by everett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Encrypt your own data, store it where ever and hope it's not valuable enough for someone to bother cracking it.

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    3. Re:Same answer every time. by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

      Once you give your data to "the cloud" it ceases to be YOUR data.

      It boggles my mind that people still haven't caught on to this. I'm going to expand on your message just a little bit:

      Once you give your data to "the cloud", it becomes the property of government snooping agencies. It doesn't even matter if you're in a country that doesn't actively snoop (if you believe that such a thing exists anymore). Companies change hands, and they do so across political boundaries. Companies cannot be trusted with your data. Period.

      Hopefully, this little incident opens some eyes.

    4. Re:Same answer every time. by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Once you give your data to "the cloud" it ceases to be YOUR data.

      Now it belongs to whomever owns those servers.

      You want to keep it? Then keep it on your own hardware.

      "The cloud" is just too fuzzy a term. I have no problem with cloud-based file storage services, but I'd never put, say, my personal photos on an online photo-sharing service, or any other content-aware cloudy-thing.

      My own hardware? That's silly. From Snowden we know the NSA can access files on my home server just as easily as they can on a cloud-based file server. If they take an interest in you, pretty much the only defense is a latop that you built before they took an interest in you and that you keep locked in a safe at all times when not using (I believe Bruce Schneier does this). But anything less than that, if they like you then you have a keylogger already, sorry.

      All we can realistically hope to put our trust in is encryption. Even that's not easy (but if TrueCrypt passes it's audit, it's good enough for me). An encrypted archive is just as safe "in the cloud" as it is on a home file server.

      Want to backup your data long-term and can't afford LTO tapes in a box out of state? Make one (encrypted) copy locally, but not in your house and not powered. Store another (encrypted) copy in the free files hosts if its small, or Amazon Glacier if you can't fit in the various free options.

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    5. Re:Same answer every time. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You want to keep it? Then keep it on your own hardware."

      Exactly.

      A.

      When every piece of marketing-subsidized hardware in the future looks and smells like today's whored-out smartphones, attempting to secure said hardware will be rather difficult, or impossible.

      Point is, you won't be able to ensure you "keep" your data anywhere, much like a smartphone today. Unless you're going to enjoy maintaining that offline system locked in a vault powered off 99% of the time. Doesn't smell very useful.

    6. Re:Same answer every time. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The person who asked the question doesn't understand how computing works.

      ... and the person that thinks there is only one answer probably doesn't understand how encryption works. You can put data in "the cloud" and still keep it private.

  2. I don't trust anyone by magsol · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I just remember everything.

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  3. Wrong question by crazyvas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wrong question, if it's asking for a storage company that you can trust your data with.

    Correct question: which open source encryption software would you trust to encrypt your data /before/ uploading it anywhere. You can upload whereever you want, and redundantly too. All you have to do is store locally is a private key. No different from storing a passport or home or auto title.

  4. Myself. by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On both counts.

    Nobody else has any significant vested interest in preserving my data - at best any business will have to pay me a penalty if they lose it - almost certainly a pittance compared to the personal value of the data, and a tradeoff they will almost certainly make without hesitation if it makes sound business sense. And should they go out of business, well heaven help my data, they certainly won't - the corporation is already sunk, and it's not like any of the individuals have anything to lose. Non-incorporated businesses may have more favorable (to me) liability repercussions, but are also far more vulnerable to disruption and/or collapse due to personal tragedy

    As for ownership - as the old truism states, possession is 9/10ths of the law. If I want to retain ownership of data on someone else's hardware I encrypt it securely before I give it to them. Anything less is an invitation to data-mining, at the least.

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  5. Hard disks get bigger. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hard disks get bigger.
    Store your data on a reliable raid or mirrored array.
    Feed it every 1-2 years with fresh, bigger hard disks.

    You will never run out of space if you are a normal household.

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  6. How by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Informative

    How should I make sure that I retain access to today's data 20 years from now?

    If you really want to be able to keep your data that long, you need a serious plan. You need to back up everything to at least two separate devices other than your main storage, and you need to keep at least one of those devices off-site so your data can't be destroyed in a local disaster. You need to test your backups regularly to know if/when your medium is failing.

    When a medium fails- or if you think it might be about to fail- get a replacement that uses more modern technology, and make a fresh copy. If you are ever about to replace your computer with a new one that can't read your old backup medium, buy newer media that does work with the new computer and make copies while you can still read the old ones. If you keep doing that regularly, you can always have a good copy that will work with your computer. It's more effort than copying to the cloud and trusting, but it means you're in control of your own data.

    The real key is to keep making regular backups and regular tests. If you expect to be able to put something into a box and still use it 20 years later, you're in for an unpleasant surprise. You have to keep copying, testing, and updating your technology in order to have a serious hope of keeping up. If you do that, though, you have a very good chance of keeping access to your data at least as long as you have software that will still read it. I have 20+ year old data at work that I can still access because we've been careful about moving it to new media, and because the company that wrote the software is good about backward compatibility.

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  7. Long term storage: process is more important by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How should I make sure that I retain access to today's data 20 years from now?

    I still have my long-term MSDOS backups from 1991. The backup file is a whopping 13MB in size, and that includes the OS, a word processor, a C compiler and my source code.

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    I just made sure that I continually copied forward the backup files I wanted to retain. Each iteration of archival storage increased about ten-fold, so space wasn't a problem.

    I think it is more important to have a good archival process in place. To the OP, the error you made was leaving all the data you want on old floppies and IDE drives, etc.. You should have moved that data off to more current media as your processing moved to more current media.