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NYPD Creates Fake Social Media Profiles To Track Loud Parties, Underage Drinking

v3rgEz writes Is that Facebook friend request from the cute girl in third period, or an undercover officer looking to bust up the next high shool kegger? That's the question more students in New York City might be asking, as newly released documents from the NYPD disclose its process for agents creating undercover social media aliases with the aims of uprooting terrorist plots, tracking "political activity," and other nefarious crimes like underage drinking or pre-meditated loud partying. Fake profiles must be approved by bureau brass, unless it would "seriously impair" an investigation or risk life or property damage.

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  1. Uh, don't post... by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...what you don't want want other people to read?

    This isn't condoning the actions of the NYPD, but I always figured that it was common sense, don't write down or otherwise document what you don't want others to know or find out about...

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    1. Re:Uh, don't post... by s.petry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fully agree. Further, I don't really see this as a legal issue (rarity for NYPD, really!)

      IMHO, this is like having an undercover agent fake name. Where I do have questions is in their disclosure for the exceptions, and how many exceptions there are (neither of which were published in the article).

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    2. Re: Uh, don't post... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      I have a fetish for cops posing as teenage girls. Is there a porn site for that?

      Why don't you create one and let us know how it works out in, say 20 years to life?

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    3. Re:Uh, don't post... by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Well, so long as it's a fake identity, sure.

      But if they're impersonating a real person that's identity theft, at a minimum.

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    4. Re:Uh, don't post... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if the police are not acting illegally (which I'm not so sure they are acting lawfully here)

      They are violating Facebook's TOS, which is illegal. The police generally need a warrant to commit acts that would otherwise be illegal.

      this is highly immoral.

      Expecting the police to act morally is not reasonable. Their behavior should be constrained by laws, not just by their internal sense of right and wrong.

    5. Re:Uh, don't post... by aitikin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's less like having a cop reading information you have put up on a flyer and more like the cops having wiretaps on all of your associates. Which would be fine, with a good reason and a court order.

      Since when does facebook offer a reasonable expectation of privacy? If you don't want it to be public, it shouldn't be on facebook.

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    6. Re:Uh, don't post... by TWX · · Score: 2

      Facebook can claim that it's against their ToS all they want, but if they don't have a real mechanism to put a stop to it then all of the claims of ToS violations are meaningless.

      Think about it another way, if a person is banned from a retail store because of inappropriate but not necessarily illegal behavior, there's not a whole lot that the retail chain can do to enforce that ban, especially if they're huge and compartmentalized. It's difficult to enforce a ban even at the store that an infraction(s) occurred at, let alone the next nearest stores and the rest of the stores in the municipal area. It's even harder when those stores are open extended hours with more than one shift as all big-box stores are now, and staff turnover means that keeping the staff aware of the issue is itself difficult.

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    7. Re: Uh, don't post... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I have a fetish for cops posing as teenage girls. Is there a porn site for that?

      Why don't you create one and let us know how it works out in, say 20 years to life?

      You know how they have those TV shows where they lure perverts? Well, they lure those people to the houses with promises of underage sex, or at least promises of a minor home alone. If they lured someone to the house with promises of overage sex, and they got there and found a kid and said "uh no" and turned around, the cop dressed as a tree might still tackle them but they'd actually have a worthy defense in court.

      Having a fetish for any kind of cop seems deviant enough to qualify for therapy, though

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    8. Re:Uh, don't post... by diamondmagic · · Score: 2

      It's called contract law. A contract is enforceable in a civil court. EULAs generally tend to not be very enforceable, but where they are, you'd be liable for damages. Which wouldn't be very much since you're not promising Facebook anything in return, they'd just get to terminate your account at worst.

    9. Re:Uh, don't post... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 3, Funny

      The NYPD does this to islamic prayer groups, why wouldn't they do it to teenagers?

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    10. Re:Uh, don't post... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'd get more than that. By running these operations, they're driving away real users and making the information that Facebook collects less valuable. There would be some monetary damages as well.

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    11. Re:Uh, don't post... by demonlapin · · Score: 2

      This might be how you think it should work, but that's not actually how it works.

      I own a house. Name's on the deed and everything. In my house, I have a "reasonable expectation of privacy". But nobody who visits my house does, even if I'm not there. And in any case, you vacate your "reasonable expectation of privacy" the moment you tell anyone else about your secret.

  2. They have nothing else more important to do? by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2

    Really?

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    1. Re:They have nothing else more important to do? by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      There is also a universal right to property and the enjoyment of that property. Almost all jurisdictions have noise bylaws which support that right.

    2. Re:They have nothing else more important to do? by Bob_Who · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some of us want to pepper a whore's cunt with cocaine and ride her up and
      down that imaginary line between bathroom and bed while listening to Death
      Metal that is so mind-blowingly loud, it is warping the hood of your prius
      that is parked outside. Then we get drunk, then all of our friends come over
      for more of the same. We scream, we fight, we fuck, we get so high from pills
      and powders, snorting and taking a hit off of the mystery pipe until fucking 5am
      in the morning. That's when we're out in front of the house pissing our bladders
      empty and calling you names before we head to a diner for bacon & eggs!

      I am sorry if that somehow takes away from your weekend of smoking weed
      and playing on your playstation followed by spells of intense masturbation.
      But again, some people have lives, even when you don't.

      ...Easy for you to say on a cop's salary.

  3. Old news by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From 2013 Cops Are Creating Totally Bogus Facebook Profiles Just So They Can Arrest People where they also point out that this is against FB's TOS

    Tangential to this in 2014 Justice Dept. will review practice of creating fake Facebook profiles (Which talks about Federal LE, most famously brought to light by the DEA creating the fake FB profile in the woman's name in order to nab suspects.

    Feds pay $134,000 to settle DEA agent's fake Facebook case

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    1. Re:Old news by jklovanc · · Score: 3

      The DEA case is different in that they impersonated a real person without her permission.

  4. Why Political activitys need a fake profile/image? by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    I'm kinda confused here. Why do they need to create a fake profiles/Images to watch political activities?? Last i checked being a part of any political activity isn't against the law. Being in a gang isn't a political activity nor is terrorism.

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  5. Make sure to sow mistrust... by qeveren · · Score: 2

    Everywhere you go, in all things.

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    1. Re:Make sure to sow mistrust... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      That is not an accident. It is also not an accident that these societies collapsed. You cannot build a working society on mistrust. For society and economy to work, it is necessary that you can trust people you know in most cases. Eroding that trust is about the most immoral and evil thing that it is possible to do.

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  6. Re:Why not no knock warrants instead? by Immerman · · Score: 2

    I'll fear the domestic military* more, thanks. The Muslim is 12,000km away, and mostly has more pressing priorities at home. They're only likely to be an issue in this country if they need to rouse some more "foreign demons" to justify their cause.

    *The police are NOT a militia. A militia consists of civilians who supplement the military in an emergency, or engage in rebel activities, NOT a sustained military force.

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  7. Re: Why Political activitys need a fake profile/im by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    If you are a part of any anarchist, white supremacist, or otherwise socially/politically subversive group, the Bureaus treat you as fair game for stalking. No Matter that it is your right to have/speak those views, they will harass/arrest youfor any minor infraction or even engage in entrapment. This is tthe lesson learned since Ruby Ridge and numerous instances since.

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  8. What NYPD is doing is part of a larger trend ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... of America dropping deeper and deeper into the abyss of absolute fascism

    ... this isn't condoning the actions of the NYPD ...

    I feel sad that you choose to limit it within the very narrow context of 'action of NYPD'

    The sad fact is that the United States of America, thanks to NYPD and all other local / state / federal law enforcement agencies is becoming more and more like what the Stasi did in Eastern Germany, or the secret police of the Nicolae Ceausescu regime of Romania, or under the CCP in China, or the Kim's secret police in North Korea, ...
     
    If the sentence 'uprooting terrorist plots, tracking "political activity"' fails to alarm any of the Americans, the future of United States of America is bleak

    I mean, please read that sentence again

    They actually use the term "terrorist plots" and the term "political activity" in the same fucking sentence!

    What kind of America is _that_ ?

    Aren't Americans supposed to be free to associate or join with any political activity, especially in the Land of the FREE??

    What the fuck has happened to the freedom of association?

    Or has America turned into a place where local law enforcement agencies such as NYPD, and all other agencies from the States as well as from the Federal level, get to dictate who can mix with whom now??

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  9. Re:What NYPD is doing is part of a larger trend .. by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calm your taco: none of this is new or different, except the "on a computer" part. I thought we were over "on a computer" freak-outs?

    HS and college parties have always had narcs. Either undercover officers, or informers who were in the social scene and would ruin parties for fun. In college, we'd always learn who they were by the end of the year, and plan accordingly, but there'd be a new crop of them the next year.

    This is just that, "on a computer". A fake profile is easier than a CI, enabling more surveillance, but this doesn't seem different in kind. This isn't some panopticon with perpetual DB, like a lot of recent crap, this is just automating old-school narcing a bit.

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  10. Back In The Day by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Under cover cops used to do things like randomly rent apartments in places they thought they could make contacts and do investigations. Back about 1967 I was more than amazed to find out that the very young looking hippie girl from next door was in fact an undercover cop. It went so far that she had moved out of her apartment and was living on the roofs of hotels on Ft. lauderdale beach in order to get on the inside with people prone to crime. All that has changed is that with the net the same tactics are easier to use. As for the cops a big part of this ios in not making arrests so that a police agent can work further and further into criminal activities. They may be on top of a criminal for several years before springing the trap and then they will have a list of charges so long the person will be buried in the prisons unless he starts working for the cops.

    1. Re:Back In The Day by gweihir · · Score: 2

      The cost to society this incurs is extreme: People do not trust strangers anymore and society slowly loses cohesion. The possible crime fighting successes pale in comparison to the damage done.

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