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Spider-Man Finally Joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe
New submitter Chas writes: After years of Marvel fans screaming for a more unified approach to the Marvel Cinematic Universe between the property-holders (Sony, Marvel, Fox), Marvel has announced that they've reached a deal with Sony to bring Spider-Man into the MCU.
From the announcement: "Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films. Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films."
From the announcement: "Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films. Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films."
I want to see Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He's part of the living world created by Marvel comics, and the Daily Bugle needs to be part of the skyline, even if it's just background.
Spider-Man is also too much a tentpole character to live in the ensemble world that has been created in the Marvel Universe. I don't want it to become all Spidey all the time (as Fox has done with Wolverine in the X-Men movies). We don't even need an origin because it's been done. Just ground him in the world, establish that Cap and Iron Man are in that same world, that Nick Fury is keeping his eye on Spidey's exploits, and have him off to his own super-powered adventures.
In five years, if Sony actually manages to not fuck it up this time, bring him back as the guy who has seen twice as much of everything as Captain America, a science bro on par with Banner and Stark.
That would be just fine.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
Basically all movies have plot holes like that.
Not all plot holes are the same. Captain America has plot holes because it relies on technology that doesn't exist, or didn't exist in the 1940s. I can live with that. Thor has plot holes that rely on magic. They don't belong in the same movie.
it's a fucking superhero story, why are you taking it so seriously
i would think the largest plot hole would be, gee, i dunno, maybe the fucking guy who can fling webs because he was bit by a radioactive spider?
it might be slightly unrealistic that a dude would get large and green when he gets angry because of gamma ray exposure
and yes, it is for kids. the kid in all of us
or, at least, some of us
get the stick out of your ass
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I wonder if the whole Secret Wars move is really Marvel playing hardball with fox and sony. "Start playing nice with the licenses you extracted when we were hard up for money, or we just end the entire universe and make said licenses worthless by default." Battleworld just sounds so contrived that it's difficult to believe that it's not part of some strategic move, rather than any reasonable plot creativity.
Imagine all the people...
Not all plot holes are the same. Captain America has plot holes because it relies on technology that doesn't exist, or didn't exist in the 1940s. I can live with that. Thor has plot holes that rely on magic. They don't belong in the same movie.
A distinction so arbitrary as to not really exist:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
They're completely different continuities separated by an unfortunately short period of time. I think the Raimi movies are vastly better and more watchable and that Andrew Garfield was the worst possible choice they could've made, but I suspect some of that is generational.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
Disney Exec : Ok, we need to get that Spiderman property back.
... or maybe not.
Disney Lawyer : There's no legal recourse for us, sir. They got the license from Marvel before we bought them.
Disney Exec : I know, I know... Plus, our usual tactic of throwing money at them won't work, either; Sony is in great shape financially.
Disney Lawyer : I might have an idea about that, sir... [speed dials Kim Jong-Un]
Look at how our government listens in (oops... "collects meta data") on all of our communication based on the current threat of a terror attack.
That's alleged threat of an alleged terror attack. It's not like this has ever been a serious issue. The government's burned billions of our dollars on, essentially, protecting us from hippopotamus roaming the street. There was one major terrorist attack, one, once, and the whole government has been running in terror and squeaking and squawking, and beating the hell out of all of us, out of utter fear and horror. The U.S. Government is totally cowardly, it's pathetic, and we might want to work on that. The NSA needs to go, immediately, it's a sick and deranged tool for the rich and privileged.
Hey, it could happen...
Hooray, maybe now we'll finally get to see Spiderman's backstory - like how he came to be and how Uncle Ben died - instead of always seeing him later on in his super hero career when he has moved past teenage angst and settled into his role.
And yet you've got four posts which are entirely filled with "Yarg, teh comix are the sux0rs and teh pointless".
Seriously, if you don't like comic movies, fine ... but if all you're going to do it bitch about how negative the interwebs are while sounding like some screeching monkey ... then just shut the fuck up already.
Your existential suffering sounds tragic. But nobody gives a damn.
So, basically, everything you've posted in this thread then?
Seriously, get over it.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
In the case of the Matrix, the 3rd movie was so bad that it made most people forget that the 2nd movie was actually okay
The Matrix had no sequels you insensitive clod!
Yes, I understand that there were movies that held the name of "The Matrix" with many of the same actors, but I and many geeks like me have banished them from memory much like there was never a "Highlander II"
There is a potentially important difference. Although admittedly, it is mostly a matter of definitions between the two fictional concepts.
"Sufficiently advanced science" would work according to certain principles firmly rooted in natural laws and logic and would presumably be accessible to humans (and any other sentient based on those laws) at a sufficient technological level.
"Magic", such as that produced by deities presumed to be outside the Universe, may be empowered by forces that humans or other denizens of this universe, have no control over nor any access to.
If Asgardians are merely super-powered denizens of the normal Universe, but still fully subordinate to all its physical laws, then yes, their power might be copied eventually.
If they are the local projections of beings from outside the Universe or of beings who span multiple universes, then they may be able to affect the Universe in a way that cannot be duplicated by those of us who are completely of this universe. In that case, full control of the universe from the inside still doesn't necessarily grant the same powers as an Asgardian.
In that case, you could redefine "magic" as "power inaccessible to humanity", and suggest that there might be some way to incorporate that into human knowledge, but since there is no direct path for humans to "uplift" themselves to that level, "magic" would simply be power that is only accessible to humans via an intermediary who exists in a sufficient reality to do so. That sounds a lot like our normal concept of deities, miracles, and praying for intercession.