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Peak Google: The Company's Time At the Top May Be Nearing Its End

HughPickens.com writes Farhad Manjoo writes at the NYT that at first glance Google looks plenty healthy, but growth in Google's primary business, search advertising, has flattened out at about 20 percent a year for the last few years. Although Google has spent considerable resources inventing technologies for the future, it has failed to turn many of its innovations into new moneymakers. According to Manjoo, as smartphones eclipse laptop and desktop computers to become the planet's most important computing devices, the digital ad business is rapidly changing and Facebook, Google's archrival for advertising dollars, has been quick to profit from the shift. Here's why: The advertising business is split, roughly, into two. On one side are direct-response ads meant to induce an immediate purchase: Think classifieds, the Yellow Pages, catalogs or Google's own text-based ads running alongside its search results. But the bulk of the ad industry is devoted to something called brand ads, the ads you see on television and print magazines that work on your emotions in the belief that, in time, your dollars will follow. "Google doesn't create immersive experiences that you get lost in," says Ben Thompson. "Google creates transactional services. You go to Google to search, or for maps, or with something else in mind. And those are the types of ads they have. But brand advertising isn't about that kind of destination. It's about an experience." According to Thompson the future of online advertising looks increasingly like the business of television and is likely to be dominated by services like Facebook, Snapchat or Pinterest that keep people engaged for long periods of time and whose ads are proving to be massively more effective and engaging than banner advertisements.

In less than five years, Facebook has also built an enviable ad-technology infrastructure, a huge sales team that aims to persuade marketers of the benefits of Facebook ads over TV ads, and new ways for brands to measure how well their ads are doing. These efforts have paid off quickly: In 2014 Facebook sold $11.5 billion in ads, up 65 percent over 2013. Google will still make a lot of money if it doesn't dominate online ads the way it does now. But it will need to find other businesses to keep growing. This is why Google is spending on projects like a self-driving car, Google Glass, fiber-optic lines in American cities, space exploration, and other audacious innovations that have a slim chance of succeeding but might revolutionize the world if they do. But the far-out projects remind Thompson of Microsoft, which has also invested heavily in research and development, and has seen little return on its investments. "To me the Microsoft comparison can't be more clear. This is the price of being so successful — what you're seeing is that when a company becomes dominant, its dominance precludes it from dominating the next thing. It's almost like a natural law of business."

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  1. so... by buddyglass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe I'm crazy, but 20% yearly revenue growth for a company Google's size seems pretty healthy.

    1. Re:so... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its easy to grow at 500% when you are starting from nothing. I will be surprised of Facebook sustains this in the long term. (I will be surprised of Facebook itself survives the predictable scandals resulting from loss of privacy).

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    2. Re:so... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That, and their search engine is still the best around. By a long shot. Many times you don't even have to visit the pages it links to, and Google will simply give you an answer with before having to look at any of the results. When Firefox went and switch my search engine to Yahoo, I noticed by the quality of the results, not by the look of the page, because they were very careful to try to make the results page look as similar as possible.

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    3. Re:so... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me translate the article for you.

      I want to write an article about Google failing because it'll get a lot of page hits.

      Crap, they're growing by 20% every year? How the hell am I supposed make that sound bad. Hmm...

      Oh, I've got it. They're growing by 20% every year, but the growth rate isn't increasing exponentially. I can say that the growth rate is 'flat' which sounds bad!

      3. Profit.

    4. Re:so... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Their market research should also be suspect. No one is going to point to research that shows their ad model does not work. Just because you see an ad for Budweiser does not mean you will go buy it and if you are predisposed to buy it, then you don't need a commercial.

    5. Re:so... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't worry, it seems to be Googles turn for this rubbish - Microsoft has been continually dying for the past decade, despite ever growing profits and healthy revenues.

      The only companies that seemed to have actually died have been Slashdot poster children - Novell and Sun for instance.

    6. Re:so... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup. See how they also say that many of Google's innovations failed to become profitable, meaning that Google actually has a healthy R&D department and is willing to take big risks that pay off massively (Android? Street View?)

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    7. Re:so... by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      can firefox keywords take you directly to search results in youtube (!y), google images (!images), and dozens of others? I didn't think so. ddg #ftw.

      They can if you set them up.

      If I want to search youtube I just type 'y search phrase' into the URL bar, same with wikipedia, imdb, etc.

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    8. Re:so... by Karlt1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android hasn't "paid off". Google makes very little from Android and still makes most of its mobile advertising profit from iOS devices.

      Besides that, most of Android's growth is coming from countries and manufacturers that don't use Google's Android - they use AOSP without Google services.

    9. Re:so... by schnell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the deranged world of the stock market it is not enough for a company to increase revenue year on year. No, the rate of increase in the increase must also increase year on year.

      That's not deranged. It just depends on what you want to happen with your stock.

      Take for example Company A, which grows a predictable amount each year (or stays predictably flat, whatever). Investors take this amount of growth/profit into account, make some rudimentary financial calculations, and say "a share of Company A should be worth $X." If Company A's performance continues to be predictable, then that stock price is not going to change. Nothing inherently wrong with that, especially if the company pays a nice dividend to the owners of its shares, so they make money even if the share price is flat.

      But that's not what most investors want - they want to buy a share for $X dollars and eventually have it be worth $X+Y dollars so they can sell that share at some point and make money on it. (This is what you want when you buy a stock, right?) Companies themselves want this for reasons like incentivizing employees - if you're handing our stock options (not stock grants) to employees but the price you can cash them in at is the same price you bought them at, they are effectively worthless. Additionally, an increase in your stock price = greater market capitalization = it's easier for your company to borrow money at a low interest rate.

      But if your company doesn't grow profits above the rate that it has done so in the past (either by introducing new products, getting better returns out of old ones or driving down your costs) there is no reason for your stock price to increase. So, basically, yeah - investors big and small all want your company to show that it is increasing its profits (or in the case of a company like Amazon that loses money in the short term, marketshare) or whatever other measure continually so that there is a reason for its shares to be valued higher. If I believe that Company B has a bright future and will grow above expectations, then its valuation of $X today is too low and I should buy it because it will be worth $X+Y later.

      This all may be frustrating to people at companies that feel Wall Street is hounding them to perpetually improve results, but it's at least logically consistent, and certainly not "deranged."

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  2. 20% increase is a bad thing? by Harald+Paulsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "but growth in Google's primary business, search advertising, has flattened out at about 20 percent a year for the last few years"

    So if I understand the summary, google only grows with 20% each year and that is a bad thing?

    I would start to worry if it was reduced by 20% every year.

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    1. Re:20% increase is a bad thing? by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So if I understand the summary, google only grows with 20% each year and that is a bad thing?

      I think everyone would be happy with a 20% yearly growth in their income.

    2. Re:20% increase is a bad thing? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although Google has spent considerable resources inventing technologies for the future, it has failed to turn many of its innovations into new moneymakers.

      Many of Google's new technology investments are made simply for Google to maintain its foothold as the leader, not necessarily to be big money makers on their own. Keep the competition on their heels.

  3. To me the Microsoft comparison can't be more clear by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh.. Microsoft essentially had a couple of products they thought (the monopoly on which) would last forever. Google (and the other large modern internet companies) are much more aware of the current state of what's going on (because they're responsible for it). Microsoft just panics and throws money at stuff no-one wants. Crappy phone OS, nokia, Zune, silly compromise-heavy tabtops (see what I did there?) etc. They produced an awful OS, held a straight face when everyone else said "meh, no thanks" which cost them a lot. If they've learnt anything it's at the expense of a lot of missed profit. Google have always spent a lot on R doesn't come across as panicking to stay relevant like Microsoft. Now Microsoft is giving away their new OS, open sourcing their dev tools, suffering increasingly against Google Docs (and other free office apps). If I had stock in Microsoft I'd be concerned that they don't have a plan. I don't see Google as being in the same boat as they have a more much stable history in profiting from innovation, even if not every project they attempted turned out 100% positive.

  4. flattened growth?! by excelsior_gr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, it's not that Google stopped growing, it's that it's growth stopped growing. So we're looking at the 2nd derivative now to determine the peak? Or do the MBAs merely like sensationalism just like their fellow journalists?

    1. Re:flattened growth?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's "it's that its" not "it's that it's"

    2. Re:flattened growth?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's all a bizarre side effect of the premise upon which the markets now operate. Back in the old days, you bought stock in a company to share in that company's success and reap dividends. Now, you buy stock with the intent to sell it later at a profit. That shift means that to wall street guys, companies with solid business but no growth are effectively worthless. Their entire investment plan is based on growth. Add to that the shift in CEO compensation to stock options, and it becomes a race to see how long they can make the company grow before it collapses under its own weight.

  5. domination by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what you're seeing is that when a company becomes dominant, its dominance precludes it from dominating the next thing. It's almost like a natural law of business.

    You mean like how Google, after it dominated search, didn't dominate web-based e-mail, and online videos?

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    1. Re:domination by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      gmail and youtube has much much more competition than google the search does.

      Gmail, yes. Youtube, no. Everything else like youtube put together is a minuscule fraction of what it is. What other video websites are good for is watching someone else's copyrighted content, and that's about it. And note that this is not something that Youtube wants to do, so honestly they aren't even competitors.

      There are other places to go to watch stuff, but they're for commercial content. Youtube is really the only game in town for hosting and/or watching all kinds of videos. Nobody else even begins to come close in scope or even competence, and I have a lot of problems with YT in that latter case.

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  6. Hold On by Godai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I'm reading the article correctly, the information that says that ads in the Facebook style are far more effective than Google's comes from...a study by Facebook. Gee, that seems totally unbiased and could in no way be slanted by them to help them convince potential advertisers to sign up. All of this seems very bizarre after reading -- for years -- about how the Facebook ad model is so deeply flawed.

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  7. Re:To me the Microsoft comparison can't be more cl by west · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd wager that Windows and Office *are* 'utilities' in the sense that they will be around almost forever, and generate the usual mountain of cash each quarter (although that mountain will slowly grow smaller over time). MS's success doesn't depend on popularity, it depends on businesses 'having' to have it.

    Facebook and Apple both rely on being 'cool', which is a very treacherous business to be in. How many consumer products of any sort survive changing tastes over 20 years?

    I'd bet 3:1 that in 20 years, MS will larger than Facebook or Apple - my guess, MS is 2/3rds its size, Apple and Facebook are near non-existent.

    Unfortunately, with buyouts, name purchases, etc, the odds are about 10:1 any such wager would actually be handing the money back to both bettors as 'technically unresolveable', so I'm not making any actual bets here.

  8. Exponential growth by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes the article says "growth in Google's primary business, search advertising, has flattened out at about 20 percent a year" But a constant growth RATE year after year is not flat. It is exponential growth. It is compounded growth where each 20% increase is an increase over and above the 20% increase of the previous year. Where else can you get a 20% compounded interest rate on your savings?

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  9. Re:To me the Microsoft comparison can't be more cl by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally I think that Microsoft has been doing quite well lately, but no matter what they do, people seem to find something wrong with it. I haven't heard anything particularly bad about their current iteration of their phone OS, other than the anemic app selection, but the OS itself is top notch. Everybody I know who has a Surface Pro seems to think they are amazing, the only general complaint being that they are too expensive. But I guess that you have to pay a lot of money if you want a proper digitizer built into the lightest laptop on the market. Microsoft has started to give away their OS on cheap devices because it's really the only option that works. You can't charge $50 or even $25 for a Windows license that sells to the end consumer for under $250. It just doesn't make the product competitive. This is a market that didn't exist 5 years ago, so of course they are going to have to make adjustments.

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  10. only need 1 big success/5years, Android or Gmail by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >. has failed to turn many of its innovations into new moneymakers.

    It doesn't matter how many don't end up bringing major revenue. It only matters that a few do. Of Google+ is a complete failure and Android has 75% of the market, Google wins big. Their newsgroup site shuts down while Gmail huge is a huge success, Google does quite well.

    They can well afford to invest $10 million each into trying ten different things if just one those goes on to make $250 million.

    If Google becomes THE autonomous car company, it doesn't matter that they also experimented with ten other things that didn't bdo great - and even the ones that don't do great sometimes make a little money.

  11. Re:Soap Box time! by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it does match the marketing lingo, the word "exponential" has specific mathematical meaning which does not even come close to your advertising driven use of the word.

    Uh, steady growth at 20% per year IS exponential growth.

    Vt = V0 * 1.2^t

    Google's sales would be expected to double every 3.5 years.

  12. Re:Soap Box time! by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your original post said: While it does match the marketing lingo, the word "exponential" has specific mathematical meaning which does not even come close to your advertising driven use of the word.

    That is untrue. Google's growth, at the moment, precisely agrees with the mathematical definition of exponential growth.

    Is Google the ONLY company experiencing exponential growth at the moment, of course not. That doesn't make your statement true.