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Iowa Wants To Let You Carry Your Driver's License On Your Phone

An anonymous reader writes: The Iowa Department of Motor Vehicles is busily developing software that will allow users to store the information from their driver's license on their smartphone. It would also add features like a simple barcode to scan for information transfer, and two-factor authentication to access it. "At first thought, the idea seems rife with potential security and privacy issues. It is well known at this point that nothing is unhackable; and if a project is made on a government contracting schedule, the likelihood of a breach is only greater. ... Questions of security, however, must take into account context – and there, it can be argued that our current regimes of physical documents have been an enormous failure. Having every state choose their own approach for issuing IDs has led to patchwork regulations and glaring weak points in the system that criminals have repeatedly taken advantage of. Driver's licenses today are regularly forged, stolen, and compromised – it’s far from a secure situation."

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  1. This has been going on for a while by nucrash · · Score: 2

    I don't see this as any different than Apple pay at some point. If this would help officers obtain validity of the license faster, this might be a benefit.

    I don't think this should be a requirement for Iowa drivers, but a perk of driving in Iowa.

    The downside that I can think of is that in many areas of Iowa I don't care to carry a smartphone because the lack of coverage there kills batteries.

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    1. Re:This has been going on for a while by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a trap. If your driving licence is on your phone and you get pulled over, you have to hand over your phone. The cop takes it back to the car, data rapes it and hands it back. Later at the station they can analyse the contents offline, adding your contacts to the database of known associations and your selfies to their facial recognition database.

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    2. Re:This has been going on for a while by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      SCOTUS already ruled on this. Welcome to 2014.

      Yes, SCOTUS also ruled that you have a first amendment right to record the police, yet people are still being arrested (and occasionally beaten) for it, and often having their equipment damaged in the process. Your naivete might be cute if you were twelve.

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    3. Re:This has been going on for a while by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      whyt not? He's on a salary, he gets PAID to sit on the roadside, you don't. The only person it's costing is YOU.

      Besides, the second you start tapping your watch, he's gonna be asking why you're in such a hurry, then make you wait some more. Piss him off and you're heading for an overnight in the local jail pending charges of possession of kiddie rape videos. They're gonna love you, fish.

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    4. Re:This has been going on for a while by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      I already have my license on my phone, it's called scotch tape, bitchezz. and I can show the officer without even needing to unlock the screen!

    5. Re:This has been going on for a while by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Yup, I will *not* be handing my phone to a cop. Period.

      Hell, I keep my phone locked and with MORE than the default 4-digit code for just this reason, I also have my phone set to not display texts or other info on the locked home screen. Opening this and giving to them is pretty much going to be considered "consent to search". I don't care that I have nothing to hide, it is none of their fucking business.

      Much like when pulled over (rarely happens), and if asked to get out of the car, I roll window up, step out and lock the car behind me. I'm not an ass to them at all, in fact I am very polite, answer as needed, and cooperate, but I do try to exercise my rights.

      And...as for the opening story, it was complaining about the "patchwork" of states issuing licenses. So what? People are forgetting, that you are a citizen of your state first, and then a citizen of the US. Besides the fact that a drivers license is a license to drive first, and not issuesdas an ID (you can get one of those for that purpose), there should be no national license, or national ID. The feds have no constitutional basis for issuing or regulating such IMHO. That would be yet another stretch for them overreaching "interstate commerce".

      I really, really wish...if we could as a country, is have the government basically tell me how much tax to pay (simplify this)...and then, leave me the fuck alone. Especially the Feds.

      For my local/state govt, well, they are more answerable to me, and I will be more willing and answerable to them too....within limited bounds.

      That's the way the country was set up, but we've wandered so far off the path over the years.

      *sigh*

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    6. Re:This has been going on for a while by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      It's a trap. If your driving licence is on your phone and you get pulled over, you have to hand over your phone. The cop takes it back to the car, data rapes it and hands it back. Later at the station they can analyse the contents offline, adding your contacts to the database of known associations and your selfies to their facial recognition database.

      That makes the assumption that for example Apple is run by total idiots. Paying with Apple Pay doesn't unlock your phone. This could work in a very similar way, instead of a payment terminal the cop has a license card reader, you put your phone on the button, your phone sends the license card data over, and _doesn't_ unlock the phone.

    7. Re:This has been going on for a while by ihtoit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but he's not compelling you to hand over for a data search, nor is he compelling you to unlock it. You've voluntarily not only unlocked the phone for him, you've handed it him. Now he has your data in unlocked condition and because you've already been pulled over for whatever moving violation, cause to search through the data just as if he were asking to see inside your glovebox to make sure you're not carrying anything illegal - actually, even easier than that for him.

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    8. Re:This has been going on for a while by Albanach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you read the linked article in my post above? The Supreme Court has already held that police need a warrant to search the phone of someone they arrest. I don't see why you think that handing an officer your phone for one reason - viewing the on-screen ID, would appear to translate into "I grant you permission to close the ID app and browse/download my email and photos."

    9. Re:This has been going on for a while by swillden · · Score: 2

      It wouldn't need to be so dramatic, just bump the phone with another device (or another phone.) NFC simply doesn't have the bandwidth required to do what you're suggesting, and it could easily be configured to be doable without unlocking the device.

      +1

      If this becomes a thing -- and I strongly suspect it will -- I know the Android security team will be looking for a way to enable it such that police cannot get anything other than your DL data. Perhaps even a "police stop mode" which enables a lock screen even for users who don't normally lock their phones and turns on the NFC. How to make the UI on that easy to invoke in a hurry when you're flustered, but still out of the way, since it's only needed on rare occasions, is an interesting question challenge. I don't have any idea at the moment how such a feature would work, or if it's the best approach, but the nature of the requirement is pretty clear: Users must be able to provide officers with DL information, but officers must not be able to get any additional data.

      (Disclaimer: I'm a member of Google's Android security team, but the above represents only my own opinions not an official statement. You can certainly believe that they're opinions I will be sharing/pushing internally, though.)

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    10. Re:This has been going on for a while by JeffAtl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's terribly naive. The SCOTUS has ruled that the public can video record police officers, yet the police will still stop you from doing it.

      The ruling only has teeth if the cops search your phone and then try to use it directly as evidence. There is nothing stopping them from using the information for parallel construction or just keeping the private photos that you took of your girlfriend/wife.

    11. Re:This has been going on for a while by PPH · · Score: 2

      I don't see this as any different than Apple pay at some point.

      Nice if you could load up $20 on Apple pay and pass it to the cop along with your DL.

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    12. Re:This has been going on for a while by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Informative

      there should be no requirement to drive on said roads other than proof of citizenship

      Our society, democratic/republican/whatever, has decided through legal means (enacting and enforcing laws) to place restrictions on the use of public roads. Driver licensing is such an example.

      Drivers licenses are unconsitutional

      No, you made that up.

      no way to opt out if you choose to not use the roads

      Not true.

      Well, the minute you stole the money from my pocket to build the roads, it became my right to use them.

      Again, no.

      There's lots of things tax dollars provide that you can't just use any way you want. Society has decided that citizens cannot access restricted government areas that are built with tax dollars. You don't have a right to fly a NASA rocket. You don't have a right to take a soldier's gun and shoot people. You don't have a right to rape a government official.

      You do have a right to learn about how society and government work. I encourage doing so, lest you might continue to appear as an idiot.

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    13. Re:This has been going on for a while by Albanach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, he wouldn't. SCOTUS held that even if ARRESTED, police still need a warrant to search your phone. The law is pretty clear.

    14. Re:This has been going on for a while by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      best to assume ALL cops are dirty cops. start from there and go downward and you'll be close to reality.

      look, they have this thing called a 'blue line' (google it). that makes them all dirty, by collusion. any one who does NOT report bad behavior (think: serpico) is a bad cop. and so, probably 99% of the cops out there are bad, by definition.

      thugs with guns. I would trust the mafia (truly, honestly) before I'd trust an american cop.

      sad to say this. I don't enjoy feeling this way. but I'm realistic.

      don't talk to cops, don't socialize with them, avoid them at all costs. they CAN kill you and they will make up any story they want to save their own asses.

      bad scene. hope it gets fixed but I don't have any such false hopes.

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    15. Re:This has been going on for a while by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, I will *not* be handing my phone to a cop. Period.

      Me neither. But this is still a useful feature. Now I can just leave my license permanently in my car, and use the phone for routine ID checks, like buying beer, or when using a credit card for a big purchase.

    16. Re:This has been going on for a while by Tower · · Score: 2

      Wish I could find the "Sad But True +1" Mod

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    17. Re:This has been going on for a while by drinkypoo · · Score: 3

      I've been pulled over multiple times for harassment by cops, when I've broken no laws. That's why I've been pulled over at least twice as much as I've gotten tickets. If they have a real reason to pull you over, they write you a ticket because that produces revenue and maintains their job. Sometimes they just want to stop you in your tracks and sniff up your ass because they can.

      It's sad, because we arguably need cops. That's why we need to crack down on police abuse. Respect for the law is at an all-time low.

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    18. Re:This has been going on for a while by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      WARRANTJUST CAUSE.

      Yes, the law IS clear. Once arrested anything you hold in your possession that holds data is potientially evidence. Refusal to disclose decryption keys or electronic locks is PRECEDENTED as a sign of guilt. THAT is why a refusal to disclose can and does result in a committal for contempt.

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    19. Re:This has been going on for a while by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

      Last time I got pulled over, the cop came up and said "Sorry, I misread your license plate, you can go" and then went back to his car. While I was glad it ended quickly, I'm left to wonder why he was running the plates of cars that weren't violating traffic laws and supect that the cruiser has some sort of camera system that's reading the plate of every single car that passes him and recording it in a database.

    20. Re:This has been going on for a while by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They need a warrant to search your phone WITHOUT CONSENT. When you unlocked it and handed it to the cop specifically to look at, you just consented.

    21. Re:This has been going on for a while by Loconut1389 · · Score: 3

      Correction, his ANPR/ALPR misread your plate and you came up with some kind of flag.

    22. Re:This has been going on for a while by Garybaldy · · Score: 2

      The last time i was pulled over was for a a brake light out. The officer did not give me a ticket.

      Seeing as i pulled over in a parking lot. When he was done. I got out my car, went to the trunk and got an umbrella. Proceeded to jam it in-between the brake pedal and the seat. Walked to the back of my car a saw all my brake light on. Looked over at the police officer and said "they work now" he just shrugged.

      Yeah fuck police harassment.

  2. Inherent 4th amendment problem... by Bugler412 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Handing you phone to a cop grants them implicit rights to search the phone. Therefore, having your license on the phone is a backdoor way to grant them access to search your device.

    1. Re:Inherent 4th amendment problem... by duranaki · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right? So don't hand them the phone. Hold it up so they can scan the QR code on the display. I don't hand my phone to the TSA Security guard validating my boarding pass, I just hold my phone over the scanner.

    2. Re:Inherent 4th amendment problem... by duranaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, that's pretty much the routine because your license and registration have no inherent value. Your phone on the other hand, is a VERY personal and rather expensive device. It would be pretty insane to devise a policy where you *wanted* all your police officers to take temporary possession and responsibility for expensive fragile devices to accidentally drop on the asphalt and what not. If such a policy was created, no one would use it because no one would hand their phone to the cops. How would they occupy their time while waiting for the cop to write the ticket? I appreciate paranoia for paranoia sake, but no implementation that has you surrendering possession of your phone just to show ID will ever fly.

    3. Re:Inherent 4th amendment problem... by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right? So don't hand them the phone. Hold it up so they can scan the QR code on the display. I don't hand my phone to the TSA Security guard validating my boarding pass, I just hold my phone over the scanner.

      Fine in theory until the officer opens with "can you please hand me your phone so I can check your license information".

      People have trouble saying no to completely unreasonable and unnecessary requests from cops, how many people do you think will start a police interaction by rejecting what sounds like a reasonable request for a standard procedure?

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  3. I'm sorry officer.. by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. I can't show you my license because my battery died..

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    1. Re:I'm sorry officer.. by schlachter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, looks like you might get charged for not having your license.

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  4. Done right, this could be quite secure. by queazocotal · · Score: 2

    Licence has a qrcode or similar onto the DMV website.
    (proper verification apps ensure that the URL is actually the DMV website and ignore any other URL)

  5. Veiled reason for access to your phone? by jeffy210 · · Score: 2

    The biggest problem I have with this and carrying your insurance on your phone is in order to produce it to authorities you have to unlock your phone. Coupled with some of the rulings we've seen about law enforcement being able to rifle through your phone without a warrant, this gives them instant access to everything beyond your license.

    I'd rather just stick to handing them a single card that is solely for that purpose.

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  6. Enormous failure? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... it can be argued that our current regimes of physical documents have been an enormous failure.

    Unless, by enormous failure, you mean, has been working for hundreds of years, then citation please. No one's stolen my driver's license or any other physical documents - ever - and they're pretty simple to use - no batteries or cell signal required. In addition, I don't have a smartphone.

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  7. Nice trick by omnichad · · Score: 2

    This is just a ploy to get you to hand over an unlocked phone without a warrant.

  8. 2-factor national ID by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is as good a place as any for me to jump on my favorite hobby horse: the US government should be issuing a standardized national ID; there should be a federal administration that handles identity of US persons.

    Specifically, the government should issue 2-factor authenticators to all citizens which do absolutely nothing but verify identity to businesses, people, and other government agencies. The service should return no name, address, or other identifying data: just a hash ID code which is unique for every person, and unique for every agency or business which requests your ID. Thus, a bank can verify that you're the same person who set up your bank account, the state police can verify that you're the same person who applied for a driver's license, but that's all they can learn about you. This would makes it very difficult for anyone but the federal government to steal your identity, and tough for anyone but the feds to correlate your credit card data with your medical data with your Facebook profile.

    Obviously, this means the federal government would be able to use your identity records to track you. But they can do that anyway, with a quick call to a credit card company and your internet service provider. This at least keeps everyone *else* from being able to do so.

  9. On the plus side... by dohzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    On the plus side, if your battery goes flat, all you have to do is commit a crime and wait for the police to recharge your phone so they can access your ID card.

  10. Bad idea with current laws by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'll probably involve a minimal contactless reader and token-transfer like Apple Pay.

    I assure you it will not. That is not how police play that game. Furthermore that requires your phone to be on and then the officer can search the phone because you just gave him access and probable cause. If they want to come up with a system whereby the officer has no physical way to search the phone (not just legal protections) then I might think this is a good idea. As the law stands right now there is no way in hell I would do this.

    Some idiot judge apparently recently ruled that while you don't have to give your password you do have to give your fingerprint. How that doesn't violate the 5th amendment involves some mental gymnastics that I'm not really capable of.

    Don't need to transfer all phone data. (really? you think cops are going to sit around to transfer 16-128GB? lol)

    Don't know why you are laughing. It's not funny at all. Yes I absolutely think cops are going to sit around and transfer the entire contents. You'd be a fool to presume otherwise. He gets paid to be there no matter how long it takes.

    1. Re:Bad idea with current laws by queazocotal · · Score: 2

      You are not required to incriminate yourself.
      This however does not mean you cannot be compelled to give physical items,or access to physical items (including fingerprints).
      The cops have no right to demand you produce your passphrase.
      They have a right to demand the bit of paper they know you wrote the passphrase on.

    2. Re:Bad idea with current laws by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cops have no right to demand you produce your passphrase.

      That is not settled law. Under some circumstances they can demand that you produce your passphrase. If they don't know that you know the passphrase, and the fact that you know the passphrase is, in itself, incriminating evidence, then they cannot demand it. If they already know that you know the password, then they may be able to compel you to disclose it. So it is best to not only refuse to tell them the password, but also refuse to acknowledge that you even know what it is.

      Dumb: I refuse to tell you the passphrase
      Better: I don't remember the passphrase.
      Best: I want a lawyer

  11. What could possibly go wrong? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the government wants you to accept an application built by them, including giving it permissions to operate on your phone. You don't even need to hand your unlocked phone to a cop to have them looking around in your personal business. The app can do that all by itself any time it wants. Thanks but no thanks.

  12. Don't be naive by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I don't see why you think that handing an officer your phone for one reason - viewing the on-screen ID, would appear to translate into "I grant you permission to close the ID app and browse/download my email and photos."

    That is EXACTLY how it will be interpreted by the police until they are told very explicitly that doing so is a no-no. In fact odds are they will keep doing it anyway because the cost of fighting them on it is really steep, well beyond what is reasonable for most people. Justice may be done at the end of the day but that doesn't mean that you won't experience a whole bunch of severe inconvenience and civil rights violations along the way.

    1. Re:Don't be naive by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The case has been litigated and SCOTUS held the police need a warrant to conduct a search.

      And of course the police always do what they are told... [/sarcasm]

      Letting the police look at what is displayed on your phone screen is not a voluntary consent to a search of the phone.

      And yet I assure you it will be interpreted as such.

      As for the cost of fighting them, if it's litigated again it will be as a civil rights violation under 42 U.S. Code section 1983 which includes a fee shifting provision.

      Which only matters if you have enough money in the first place to see the litigation through and happen to win which is by no means guaranteed.