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Trans-Pacific Partnership Enables Harsh Penalties For Filesharing
An anonymous reader writes: The Electronic Frontier Foundation went through a recent leak of the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, an international treaty in development that (among other things) would impose new intellectual property laws on much of the developed world. The EFF highlights one section in particular, which focuses on the punishments for copyright infringement. The document doesn't set specific sentences, but it actively encourages high monetary penalties and jail terms. Its authors reason that these penalties will be a deterrent to future infringement. "The TPP's copyright provisions even require countries to enable judges to unilaterally order the seizure, destruction, or forfeiture of anything that can be 'traceable to infringing activity,' has been used in the 'creation of pirated copyright goods,' or is 'documentary evidence relevant to the alleged offense.' Under such obligations, law enforcement could become ever more empowered to seize laptops, servers, or even domain names."
So the NWO (once a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory) is coming true, only 25 years after it was predicted.
It's well past time for https everywhere, constant VPNs and full encryption for everything
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
You don't get a vote.
I wish this was America, I hear we would be tried by a jury of our peers and I've always seeded generously http://xkcd.com/553/
Gotta keep that prison-industrial complex well-oiled somehow, right?
Did people think massive software/content providers would just roll over forever? The internet wild west most of us are getting used to isn't going to last. Piracy is huge, and despite all the arguments for it, it still boils down to you taking something you should probably be paying for. As we go further down the rabbit hole and more content moves to digital delivery, we can probably expect these laws and agreements to get even more far reaching and restrictive.
You were right about the sucking sound!
It's just it is China now, not Mexico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It's even worse than that. Under TPP a corporation can sue sovereign governments in secret courts if such governments are deemed to have impinged on the corporations right to sell product. Laws such as those to protect against excessive toxins released into the environment. Or if a local government decides to make cheaper generic drugs, instead of buying the corporations more expensive patented product.
owww my hands use a mouse , the mouse did infringing materials OH NO
Libraries have too long been a place where people could share information, books, movies, and games. This senseless devaluation of media hurts content producers. You've done society a disservice for too long libraries. Your time is coming.
God spoke to me
So big media is finally going to off itself, or cause an uprising, one way or the other. So either everyone who was pirating and consuming more content will stop, and their sales will plummet. Or the people who can't afford media, due to unemployment/low wages are going to have even less stuff to keep them entertained. Should be fun to watch the crime increase as these people have to leave their homes for entertainment. Personally I think it'll just cause a shift away from film/tv back to gaming. Games last longer, are replayable, and cost less than films.
As the saying goes: "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
But treaties circumvent three of those boxes.
Guess which one is left.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Reich, Robert not the Third, has a handle on this trade agreement being slipped right on by us.
Always remember that government regulations are a feature of fascism (not a bug), and when corporations are allowed to write their own ticket (lobbying), they are interfering with the market in an unnatural way. Fascism is most accurately described as the preeminence of the needs of corporations and governments above the rights of the populace.
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Harsh penalties have virtually eliminated illegal drugs, right? it's gotten to the point where I could purchase methamphetamine on the street far easier than purchasing legal Sudafed at the drug store.
So they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are doing copyright infringement. They may be able to lock you up pre trail but the jails are filled up and there are much more violet people to put in them pre trail.
cut off the lifeline that generic drugs provide for people living with HIV/AIDS and many other diseases.
So they can just that part to kill this.
I personally don't care what the TPP terms are, the process is irredeemably corrupt. It is an attempt for corporations to obtain in secret negotiations what they could never obtain through actual democratic processes, and should be opposed by anyone who supports our system of government.
If they want to enact this, publish it, and submit it as a Treaty to the Senate for ratification. We have a Constitution for a reason, quit trying to do an end-run around it.
Can get less time and have less BS to deal with then you have with shoplifting.
Let's see 1-2 years for downing a movie vs a fine (Maybe some very soft time for shoplifting the blue ray from best buy) hell you can sneak into a movie and they likely will not call the police. I also most did that accidentally did that one (walled in did not see the place to buy tickets at first and I don't think any one would even tried to stop me from just not paying and going right into the show.
In other words, with the swipe of a pen, what is now legal, becomes illegal criminal activity, with harsh penalties, and a few individuals suddenly find themselves in the money. Who do you think is drafting this legislation? You thought you were a decent law abiding citizen? You are. No, you were, yesterday. Today you are a criminal. And the crook in the neighborhood who has been trying to extort everyone for breathing fresh air? Well, he's now the richest man in town, and you better lick his boots if you want to breath.
"destruction, or forfeiture of anything that can be 'traceable to infringing activity,' has been used in the 'creation of pirated copyright goods," So we can get the mpaa's members' equipment, cameras, sound stages and whatnot destroyed or forfeited because all the pirated copyright goods trace back to where the material was created and distributed?
Sounds like a recipe for government confiscation of private property.
I dont consume this type of media, and Im disappointed with those who do at such a staggering rate. Not because I'm against piracy, its because Im against my kids/nephews/nieces spending so much damn time staring at the screen like a zombie. I encourage them to stop watching and start learning... codeacademy, stackoverflow ect. There's so much better things online than what these guys have to offer.
Here comes US-style guilt-by-association. You plugged your mobile phone into a wall socket: The building is an accessory to the crime and can be seized.
The government made pseudoephedrine hard to get, and phenylephrine isn't significantly better than a placebo. So I switched to oxymetazoline nasal spray (Afrin, Sudafed OM, etc.), in one nostril at a time so I don't become dependent.
Recreational pot is technically illegal in all parties to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. So "some places" must refer to the non-parties, namely Afghanistan, Chad, East Timor, Equatorial Guinea, Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa, South Sudan, Tuvalu, and Vanuatu. But these don't appear to be highly developed countries.
Wasn't a house used to provide power to the computer to copy the file?
Personally I'm looking forward to the shit storm of global, coordinated backlash against TPP when the politicians are done jerking off.
What about stiff monetary penalties and exorbitant jail time for all those banks with their addiction to money laundering? Maybe, we the citizens of this fine world, should actually start fighting back and telling the govs "No!".
NO !
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTmfwklFM-M
This is bullshit! Corporations are something that we allow. They shouldn't be writing government policy or law. And yet here we are. The TPP is a piece of crap. Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper is all in. There are a million reasons why this guy has to go. But this reason alone means his entire political party should be gone yesterday.
But without regulations, corporations can be just as oppressive and destructive - driving smaller competitors out of business with underhanded tactics or using exclusive deals to prevent entry into the market, suppressing any activity that harms their profits, manipulating academia with selective funding or threats of legal action to distort science in their favor, damaging the environment and silencing anyone who speaks out with frivolous lawsuits that cost millions to defend against.
It isn't a simple matter of 'government is evil, and should be as small as possible.' It's about recognizing that sometimes the only thing that can keep a dangerously powerful organization is check is another dangerously powerful organization. The problems really come from trying to keep one from seizing control of the other.
Anyone in the US that thinks this is "shocking" is living on a deserted island. The US have already implemented this. Look at the other post about the developer that went to jail for 1 year in the dotcom case. It's more like we Americans are trying to push this sort of "justice" out to the world.
Jury of your peers will convict and sentence you to jail if that's what the law says through mandatory sentencing, which was all created from the great war on drugs, where we needed to incarcerate casual drug users.
It's been a slow process but the American justice system is total garbage now.
So now I Put a copyrighted file on someone's computer and call the police on them, then they get thrown in jail friggen awesome!... haha seriously aint gonna happen. only way to stop piracy is to Monitor all internet traffic.
Individuals, not corporations. Think photographs as an example: if you copy a corporation's picture and put it on your web site - you will be hammered; if a corporation copies one of your pictures and uses it - nothing will happen; you can complain and will just be ignored.
There are plenty of encrypted filesharing methodologies that are difficult to trace. i2psnark is bittorrent within the i2p network. It works. But there have been others: iMule (emule within i2p), Antz, Mute, etc etc. These projects don't seem to attract much attention because everybody still just uses bittorrent over clearnet.
So if a media corporation were to steal someone else's art (like that YouTube rapper whose name escapes me), does that mean that under the TPP the board members of said media corporation would be doing hard time and paying millions in fines?
Or should I go ahead and create a craigslist ad for the Brooklyn Bridge?
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The corporate world did make out like bandits in the last world wars. Hello IBM.
You can't stop the signal, Mal.
Those iconic words from Serenity have always embodied the obvious reality that corporations are apparently deeply in denial over: People will find a way, and they're not going to stop. The tighter corporations and governments squeeze, the more slips through their grasp. They're wasting time and money trying to stamp out a problem that really isn't a problem, making everything cost more for everyone, which just incentivizes filesharers even more. This 'agreement' isn't going to change anything, other than hurting individuals who really aren't harming anyone or anything, ruining their lives because they wanted to hear a song or see a TV show. The organized criminals and terrorist groups who are mass-producing pirated movies and other content to fund their activities won't be any more affected by this than they're prevented from having firearms in places where it's been made illegal for people to own firearms, they'll go right on with their operations without so much as blinking. Memo to media corporations: The more draconic you make things for everyone, the more everyone is going to hate you and not want to pay for your content. It's time for you to retire your 19th Century business model and get into the 21st Century with the rest of us: Stop screwing us over for your content, stop destroying people's lives with gigantic judgements against individuals, accept the fact that some filesharing is going to happen and move on already.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
It's always nice of something, be it a corporation, to give me more reasons not to line their pockets with money.
I can see this turning out MUCH worse than people realize in the long run.
Assuming this got passed and this secret court system was established, just IMAGINE, the push by the rich elites around the world to capture that court and the feature creep they would be lobbying for.
Over the next couple decades, that very well could lead to a New World Order.
Just think of it, one court with jurisdiction over pretty much every first world country on the planet. Can you imagine the pressure the Koch brothers or the Waltons or even the bigger religious organizations would be putting on these guys and PAYING these guys to whore their selves out to them. The Media industry might be pushing for this, but once it was established, the bigger players would make sure to muscle them out quickly on any decision they wanted.
You get what you expect and you deserve what you tolerate.
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