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Ask Slashdot: How Could We Actually Detect an Alien Invasion From Outer Space?

First time accepted submitter defiant.challenged writes As I was watching another sci-fi blockbuster about aliens wanting to harvest the life stock population on earth for their energy since we are such a robust species, I was wondering how likely and easy/difficult it would be currently to actually detect an outer space invasion (fleet). I am a firm believer that if we would be invaded, we would not stand a chance and would probably not even hit a single ship when it comes to fighting them. The aliens in the movie had the capability to space-jump right into our solar system and even very close to earth. My question is how good are we at the moment in detecting an alien ship/fleet that jumps into our solar system. Do we have radio dishes around the globe such that we can detect objects in space in all longitude and latitude degrees? I know we have dishes pointing to the skies but how far can they reach? Do we have blindspots perhaps on the poles? I also wonder if our current means, ie radio signals, are relatively easy to be compromised with our current stealth technology? To formulate it in more sci-fi terms, how large is our outer space detection grid, and what kind of time window can they give us?

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  1. Sweet F A by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any race advanced enough to travel here to invade will have capabilities way beyond anything we could hope to combat or detect. I would imagine the first sign you would have would be if you were one of the lucky ones to see half the world wiped out a few seconds before you yourself were removed from this mortal realm.

    1. Re:Sweet F A by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just because the hypothetical aliens are ahead of us in some respects (e.g. the ability to practically travel across interstellar distances) it does not necessarily follow that they would be ahead of us in all others. For instance, consider Harry Turtledove's short story The Road Not Taken which is based around a premise that humanity overlooked a blindingly simple technique for manipulating gravity that put our technological development onto a completely different track than the invaders of the story.

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    2. Re:Sweet F A by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it's highly unlikely that space travel can be accomplished without huge amounts of EM radiation.

      Why? Why is it unlikely? We have really no idea how to travel faster than light, like so many things, I suspect it is something we haven't even thought of... like how silly airplanes looked, until they actually flew and pretty fast they didn't look anything like the silly 19th century attempts to fly.

      What was missing was power, lots of power, in a lightweight package.

      Even once we had airplanes, you have only a lifetime from 1903 to 1969, yet people in 1903 couldn't have dreamed of what the Saturn V would look like or how it would work.

      It is not rational to assume that unknown technology means godlike abilities.

      Nonsense, sure it does...

      I am quite sure that if you went back 500 years and took modern technology with you, it would look quite "godlike" to those people.

      If we can detect exoplanets, what makes you think that we wouldn't be able to detect alien ships?

      For one thing, the planets are in one place, stay in one place (well, in orbit) for a long time, they aren't trying to avoid detection, and they are really big. They also have an effect on something even bigger that is its own light source, a star.

      Starships fit none of those parameters. Even more, we aren't even looking for starships and if we were, we don't know what to look for. We DO know what to look for when it comes to stars and planets.

    3. Re:Sweet F A by Sique · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The short story "Invasion from Aldebaran" by Stanislaw Lem pictures a very advanced race with lots of means to hide their presence or to seamlessly adapt to the environment they are landing in.

      The invasion starts in a forest near a small polish village, and the aliens transform into local people they just saw passing by, thus totally hiding their alien presence. But then they meet a drunkard, who bears a grudge against one of the people they have turned into anyway. Their biogenic attack weapons (a swarm of insect-like stitching and poisoning robots) turn back because they can't get through the ethylalcohol cloud surrounding the prospective victim, and the drunkard gets agitated because they aliens don't really react when he yells at them. Their weapon detecting device doesn't warn about the knag lying wayside, and the drunkard takes it and hits them on the head, while they still try to get their translation device to decipher the messages he was mumbling at them - thus killing the aliens and fighting off the alien invasion.

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    4. Re:Sweet F A by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if something isn't forbidden by the laws of physics ...

      FTL travel, or even FTL communication, is forbidden by the laws of physics. Light speed limitations lead to boring science fiction, so FTL travel is common in sci-fi, where starships travel at the speed of plot. But there is no evidence that it will ever be possible in reality, and plenty of evidence that it will not.

      The real alien threat is not a giant fleet of starships coming out of hyperspace, but a small probe filled with nanobots.

    5. Re:Sweet F A by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually travelling faster than light isn't really forbidden. What's impossible is accelerating to or past light speed. (Your mass will increase infinitely as you accelerate requiring an infinite amount of fuel.) However, you could theoretically start faster than light. The equations lead to an imaginary number which leads to some debate as to what that means. Interestingly, if you were going faster than light, you'd encounter the same effects (divided by the square root of -1) slowing down to light speed that we encounter speeding up to light speed. However, you could reduce those effects by travelling even faster.

      We haven't detected anything travelling faster than light, but that could just be a limitation of our detection capabilities rather than a limitation of the Universe.

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  2. Outside Context Problem by Dynamoo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's the case of the "Outside Context Problem" as described by the late, great Iain M Banks [via]

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    The usual example given to illustrate an Outside Context Problem was imagining you were a tribe on a largish, fertile island; you'd tamed the land, invented the wheel or writing or whatever, the neighbors were cooperative or enslaved but at any rate peaceful and you were busy raising temples to yourself with all the excess productive capacity you had, you were in a position of near-absolute power and control which your hallowed ancestors could hardly have dreamed of and the whole situation was just running along nicely like a canoe on wet grass... when suddenly this bristling lump of iron appears sailless and trailing steam in the bay and these guys carrying long funny-looking sticks come ashore and announce you've just been discovered, you're all subjects of the Emperor now, he's keen on presents called tax and these bright-eyed holy men would like a word with your priests.

    Banks goes on to note that most civilisations tend to encounter an Outside Context Problem only once, at the point where that particular civilisation ends or is subsumed into the more powerful one. (Incidentally this is also the title of a series of eBooks by Christopher Nuttall which are satisfyingly geeky.)

    Of course, there are plenty of fictional examples of invasion, I guess ranging from the barely-competent aliens in Niven & Pournelle's "Footfall" (who were easily detected) and the almost-Gods of Arthur C Clarke's "Childhood's End" who basically just turned up without warning. It's too varied a field to come up with an idea of how we could detect them.

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  3. Human by AndyCanfield · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I once had two ducks. I wondered what I looked like to my ducks. I decided that I look like a duck. All the extra powers that make me more than a duck - speech, thinking, telphones, etc. - are beyond the duck's imagination. To a duck, I look like a duck.

    Then I wondered what an alian would look like to me, a human. I decided that an alien would look just like another human. So I began to wonder what advanced characteristics I couild watch out for. Successful businessman, good luck, healthy long life, mysterious origin, that sort of thing.

    I found one. At the time he was my boss. He pretends to be Chinese, but hey, what westerner really knows what Chinese people look like?

    They have landed already; and they are friendly. I was friendly to my ducks, and that Chinese family is friendly to me.

    1. Re:Human by Jesrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then I wondered what an alian would look like to me, a human. I decided that an alien would look just like another human. So I began to wonder what advanced characteristics I couild watch out for. Successful businessman, good luck, healthy long life, mysterious origin, that sort of thing.

      The best example individual that fits, is Elon Musk. The guy is ridiculously successful, but that is merely a means to his alien ends, which seem to be: to go back to his home planet. He needs processing power, so he funds high tech development, then sells it when it's sufficiently advanced so he can focus on developping the battery tech that he will also need later on, etc. Repeat the cycle until he gets the effective rocket / spaceship / dimensional portal tech required to get back home.

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