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The Science of a Bottomless Pit

StartsWithABang writes It's the ultimate dream of many children with time on their hands and their first leisurely attempt at digging: to go clear through the Earth to the other side, creating a bottomless pit. Most of us don't get very far in practice, but in theory, it should be possible to construct one, and consider what would happen to a very clever test subject who took all the proper precautions, and jumped right in. Here's what you would have to do to travel clear through the Earth, come out the other side, and make the return trip to right back where you started.

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  1. (looks straight down) by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    hello perth australia from new york city

    we're not your true antipodean doppleganger, that would be hamilton bermuda

    but you're the closest thing to that for us

    and if when they find Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 it turns out to be directly antipodal to the Statue of Liberty, i'm giving up on reason and becoming a conspiracy theorist

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    1. Re:(looks straight down) by dohzer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting... What happens if you tunnel fro New York into an ocean on the other side of the world? Does the water drop in and boil in the centre of the Earth?

    2. Re:(looks straight down) by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Worst. Haiku. Ever.

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    3. Re:(looks straight down) by GTRacer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Silly but seriosly-asked question - in the discussion of the relative height-from-center differences, has anyone taken the gravitic center into account? Isn't that what's most important, since that will determine when acceleration changes direction?

      Since the gravitic center is essentially the Earth's center of mass, do we know if that point is dead-center? Given the differences in crust thickness, ocean placement, mountains, etc...?

      Do I need to get more coffee?

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    4. Re:(looks straight down) by CreatureComfort · · Score: 4, Funny

      We've always been at war with Oceana.

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    5. Re:(looks straight down) by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "What happens if you tunnel fro New York into an ocean on the other side of the world?"

      This is an interesting scenario. First, the amount of water it would take to fill the tunnel up to its center would be enough to slightly lower the water level, easing the flooding problem in places like Venice and Miami. The water near the center would boil, bubbling up through the water higher up in the tunnel to create a steady plume of steam at the surface. This would end up as increased cloud cover and precipitation over large parts of the world.

    6. Re: (looks straight down) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You would have to place a sign or a ladder to the top of the tunnel to prevent the water from passing through

    7. Re:(looks straight down) by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

      Additionally, you would void the Earth's warranty.

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  2. Kinda notnews by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This very topic is discussed in "Entertaining Physics" printed first in 1912. And I'm sure it has been discussed even earlier.

    Mathematically it's an example of a degenerate orbit with one zero semi-axis, and the orbital period can be simply calculated from Kepler's laws.

    What's more interesting, it even holds true if you do not move through the center of the Earth! For example, a train from any place on Earth to any other place on Earth will move all by itself and always arrive at destination in about 45 minutes (neglecting the oblateness of the Earth and need to compensate for Coriolis forces and friction) if you put it inside a completely straight tunnel.

    1. Re:Kinda notnews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No its not. Because the problem is not central force motion between two point objects. The attracting mass effectively decreases as the object descends. A simple application of Gauss's Law. The motion of an object falling through a bottomless pit is harmonic, not Keplerian.

    2. Re:Kinda notnews by irchans · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mathematically it's an example of a degenerate orbit with one zero semi-axis, and the orbital period can be simply calculated from Kepler's laws. What's more interesting, it even holds true if you do not move through the center of the Earth! For example, a train from any place on Earth to any other place on Earth will move all by itself and always arrive at destination in about 45 minutes (neglecting the oblateness of the Earth and need to compensate for Coriolis forces and friction) if you put it inside a completely straight tunnel.

      Nope, this is not "an example of a degenerate orbit with one zero semi-axis" and Kepler's first and third laws do not apply. Kepler's laws do not apply when you are falling through a sphere (or ellipsoid) that has its mass spread throughout its volume.

      The orbit is not elliptical. Because the acceleration is not at all proportional to inverse of the squared distance. But if you plot the orbit, it does look a lot like an ellipse with a small semi-axis.

      Kepler's second law applies due to conservation of angular momentum.

      The calculation of the orbit is made more difficult because the density of the Earth varies from about 3 g/cm^3 to 13 g/cm^3. (We should be able to compute it pretty easily with Runge-Kutta.) To computer the orbit, we could reference the acceleration graph on the "Structure of the Earth" Wikipedia page.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

      Cyberax's second comment about the train (on a frictionless track) is really cool. I wonder how much the Coriolis force would affect the travel time.

  3. Re:Physics 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    No. In today's university, the entire first undergraduate semester is spent on sensitivity awareness, wymyn's studies, black history, and overcoming white privilege.

  4. Re:OMNI by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    24 hours *if* you have air resistance. And then you're moving so slow that you barely get past the center.

    Note that no vacuum is perfect so you will lose velocity. Their scenario should have started the person off at the south pole, not the north, for the extra altitude.

    Note that the heat isn't really the materials problem that they make it out to be - it's an energy problem. You don't need a material that can withstand 4000, you just need cooling. And not linearly high cooling, but an exponential decline. The longer you cool the rock down to your target temperature, the deeper your effect on the rock temperature behind your tunnel walls, and thus the shallower the temperature gradient, and thus the lower the rate of heat loss. It's like trying to cool a hot house - the air conditioner really struggles in the beginning but it gradually becomes easier with time as the walls and everything inside the house cool down.

    Now, the pressures, those are insane, and the normal approach to pressure maintenance on deep drilling - filling with a heavy mud - obviously wouldn't work here.

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  5. Does the pit have to be straight down? by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article suggests that the earth's rotation would cause the dropped to hit the wall on the way down. So why can't the tunnel curve to account for this? Presumably it would curve the other way as it exits. It also suggests that going from North to South pole wouldn't work because of their relative altitudes, but is there an antipodal point where the altitudes are close enough feasibly go from one side to another - e.g. build a tunnel / raised platform to bring each side to the same altitude. I realise this is all completely hypothetical, bad movie remakes notwithstanding.

  6. No, takes 4 hours 45 min . . . by Latent+Heat · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . .because it takes at least 1 hour at each end for ground transportation and you need to allow an hour to clear security, another hour at the other end for immigration and customs.

  7. Re:OMNI by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their scenario should have started the person off at the south pole, not the north, for the extra altitude.

    Um, hello?

    Everyone knows that north is on top, and you can't fall upwards.

    The level of scientific illiteracy here is disgraceful.

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  8. no big deal by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I actually live near a REAL one.

    http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blo...

    No, seriously, it's a hole in the ground, into which half of a decent-sized river dumps.
    They have put everything from dye, to pingpong balls, to (amusingly) a car - and none of it has ever come up anywhere.

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  9. Re:OMNI by sycodon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always told my kids it takes longer to drive north because it's all uphill.

    Interesting to watch their reactions over the years go from unquestioning acceptance, to cognitive dissonance. to enlightened disagreement, to "Daaaaaaad!!!", to "When are we stopping to dinner?'.

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  10. Drilling race between soviets and Americans by areusche · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fun fact, during the space race there was also a less well known "Drill race" between the Soviet Union and America to see who could dig down the farthest. The Soviets won this by a long shot and as always found a lot of things that changed what we know about the composition of the Earth's crust. Most notably the farther they went down they noticed that the mud that bubbled up contained hydrogen and lots of water. They also noticed that the rock type didn't change at those depths (the reason seismic waves travel around the center of the earth instead of through it). The rock actually began to behave more like plastic at those depths! Learn more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...

  11. Non Keplerian [Re:Kinda notnews] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mathematically it's an example of a degenerate orbit with one zero semi-axis, and the orbital period can be simply calculated from Kepler's laws.

    No, it can't; it's not a Keplerian problem. You could calculate the period using Kepler's laws if the Earth were a point mass. But it's not. You could calculate the period using the Brachistochrone calculation if the Earth were a uniform sphere. But it's not. The Earth is layered, with the density changing as you go closer to the center. Only way to solve the problem correctly is numerical integration.

    (I'd actually be interested in seeing the calculation done in the article.)

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