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How Machine Learning Ate Microsoft

snydeq writes Yesterday's announcement of Azure Machine Learning offers the latest sign of Microsoft's deep machine learning expertise — now available to developers everywhere, InfoWorld reports. "Machine learning has infiltrated Microsoft products from Bing to Office to Windows 8 to Xbox games. Its flashiest vehicle may be the futuristic Skype Translator, which handles two-way voice conversations in different languages. Now, with machine learning available on the Azure cloud, developers can build learning capabilities into their own applications: recommendations, sentiment analysis, fraud detection, fault prediction, and more. The idea of the new Azure offering is to democratize machine learning, so you no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate to use a machine learning algorithm."

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  1. Autocorrect :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ate or Aid?

    1. Re: Autocorrect :) by tian2992 · · Score: 1

      "Ate" or "ad"?

    2. Re:Autocorrect :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gatorade (tm)

  2. Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... this is just their latest way to get their hands on your data.

    1. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, of course. Businesses don't do anything for free, so you're not paranoid, just cautious.

    2. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly, Microsoft are in the business of selling server licenses. Many many businesses are asking for an on-premises versions of the azure tools, and this is just the publicly available "trial version".

    3. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Lennie · · Score: 2

      I doubt it. They are in the business of selling products and services, they don't care what they can sell. They are a business trying to make money and stay relevant.

      If running a porn streaming service wouldn't damage their image and was something they thought they knew how to run well and make good money on, I'm sure they would just add it to their list of services.

      Now to be a bit more specific, of course they want your data. You see this happening especially on the consumer side.

      For example: where can I get a copy of SkyDrive/OneDrive/whatever which I can run on my own systems ?

      Anyway, I can't use Azure, I'm a foreigner:
      http://media.ccc.de/browse/con...

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    4. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      ... this is just their latest way to get their hands on your data.

      Unfortunately, they're all like this. Pretty soon, Facebook is gonna want to know who my friends are. After they get that data, they'll be using the data I report about what I had for breakfast to show my friends ads. Then, they'll be providing "Like" buttons to report the following breakfast data from my friends back to me: "Hey Mikey, he likes it!"

    5. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by jbolden · · Score: 4, Informative

      For example: where can I get a copy of SkyDrive/OneDrive/whatever which I can run on my own systems ?

      SharePoint will do that.
      For that matter you can run the entire Azure suite in your private location: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...

    6. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Lennie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let me be clear: what applies to Azure as a foreigner applies also to Amazon/AWS, Google, Rackspace, IBM/SoftLayer, CenturyLink, DigitalOcean, Vultr, Linode, PeerOne or any other US-based company (even if they run the service in Europe for example).

      But I noticed there are others in the world, for example on the OpenStack Marketplace:
      http://www.openstack.org/marke...

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    7. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as a free lunch. What you do have is a lunch paid for by somebody else. What you have to do is question the payer's motivations and expected return on the investment.

    8. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Lennie · · Score: 2

      But important parts are missing.

      Some examples:
      - AzureAD, specifically ACS
      - Site Recovery for disaster recovery

      These are all online services with no buy/download equivalent from Microsoft.

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    9. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Originally we were talking about some fairly mundane features. You aren't. You are talking about stuff that really is fairly complex, I'd say more SaaS than IaaS/PaaS.

      Site Recovery is an Azure public cloud recovery solution. If I'm running a private copy of Azure then either:

      a) I want to recover to the public Azure in which case Microsoft's Site Recovery works fine
      b) I want to recover to another private data center in which I want to use a clustering / replication strategy.

      AzureAD requires contracts and 3rd party access to work. I imagine Microsoft could give away the management solution but it wouldn't connect to anything.

      I don't really see the problem. Having a private Azure and then having Microsoft manage something like my connections to 3rd party SaaS providers doesn't really give them access to much except central access to employee accounts, and those could be hashed to be worthless.

      Absolutely I agree that private Azure isn't 100% the same as public but mostly the advantages are on the private side.

    10. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      No, the Fed created money to buy toxic assets at above market value. Expansive monetary policy is a free lunch. Private sector money creation is a free lunch: when they charge interest on a loan, they book it immediately in the Net Worth balance sheet item, so it is available to bank investors to spend, thereby adding just enough liquidity for the borrower, if everything goes right, to pay back the bank. With the money the bank created. See how the bank benefits from the money creation? It gets to hire the borrower to do something. The bank investor gains status, he's now a job creator.

      But why should the system work like that? Why can't the Fed create money and transfer it directly to individuals?

    11. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

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    12. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expansive monetary policy is a free lunch

      No, when "money" is debt based, then more "money" == less "scarcity" == inflation.

      There is no free lunch. It means people pay with inflation because the currency is artificially inflated
      and hollow.

      The fact the well-connected (the banks) get more benefit from inflating currency and "creating" more of it..
      does not change the fact they are inflating the currency and weakening its buying power.

      Why can't the Fed create money and transfer it directly to individuals?

      It does, you are just not on that list of "individuals."

      The Fed (cartel of private banks) IS on that list of individuals. They are the only ones on that list.

      That is exactly how it effectively works, right now.

    13. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup

      Azure in a box is what they should have done.

      MS has forgotten what makes them their money.

      "cloud" in a box is far more useful to companies that actually care about their data and apps than using Azure or Amazons massive list of shit.

    14. Re:Call me paraniod, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than the gold standard.

      Not only does gold not have any intrinsic value its price is volotile. It would be like back money with oil.

  3. Nom nom nom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What will be the next Victim of Machine Learning's unending Hunger Apple?

  4. How Bing learns by lu-darp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So how did MS apply "machine learning" to make Bing not suck? By holding an internal competition to see who's algorithm processed "user improvement program" data best. So that essentially meant training it up to match Google search results (and presumably, which links "consenting" users clicked).

    (OK, I'm sure they've come a long way since then on their own merits, but we can't let them live that one down ;-)

    1. Re: How Bing learns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess human resource units are just machines after all.

    2. Re:How Bing learns by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with your statement is you make the assertion that Bing no longer sucks, which is false. Bing is still horrible.

    3. Re:How Bing learns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Standing on the shoulder of giants is no longer a valid defense?

    4. Re:How Bing learns by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2

      I dunno...I just put the following query into Bing: "is bing horrible", and it came up with Why Bing Sucks. Top 5 Reasons. So...it sucks, but it certainly isn't horrible.

    5. Re:How Bing learns by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although the above was just a joke, I actually clicked on the link after I submitted it, and it turns out to be an old page from 2009. It provides the follows searches which it says "just don't work" on Bing (in 2009):

      “Was Einstein married?”
      “What did Benjamin Franklin invent?”
      “What is the top selling album of all time?”

      I did a quick comparison of those three between Bing and Google, and the results seemed pretty comparable. In fact, I thought Bing did a little better on the first two, and Google did a little better on the last one - primarily because it provided a nice blurb from Wikipedia in the results.

      So, although I think we can all agree that Bing was "horrible" in the past, it's come a long ways. It's not like in the old days when Google was clearly the best - I think you could use any of the major search engines now and do just fine.

    6. Re:How Bing learns by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DuckDuckGo uses Bing, but it does some nice enhancements, like putting Wikipedia results first very often. If you want to live a Google-free life, and don't want to give your search history to MS either - ddg.gg.

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    7. Re:How Bing learns by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So, although I think we can all agree that Bing was "horrible" in the past, it's come a long ways.

      I don't know man, every once in a while I use Bing to search for stuff, and it seems pretty generally bad. Maybe someone at Microsoft read that page and optimised those special cases.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re:How Bing learns by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      [Tee-hee] - the idea of Microsoft paying attention to any form of user feedback really tickled me. :-)

    9. Re:How Bing learns by doom · · Score: 2

      Also: blekko.com, startpage.com. There's no particular need to use google for web searches any more.

    10. Re:How Bing learns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure why one would want to have Wikipedia results first, with their verifiability and reliable sources policies they're becoming less and less relevant as time passes.

    11. Re:How Bing learns by HBI · · Score: 1

      I tried ddg for about 3 months. It sucked bad enough that I switched back. There were a number of omissions that I missed, but subjectively I found Google just gives better results.

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    12. Re:How Bing learns by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Ah, but DDG has !bangs, so you can... duck?... for "!g foo" to get the Google results instead. I spent a few days acclimating to DDG and now use it for almost everything, falling back to Google for the 1% of the time when I don't get the results I expect. Also works for a few hundred other things, including the old green mare herself: "!/. foo" searches Slashdot.

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    13. Re:How Bing learns by lgw · · Score: 1

      Startpage is google, right? Sadly, it's blocked at work for me, but I don't even like to give traffic to google - who knows what they can figure out.

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    14. Re:How Bing learns by lgw · · Score: 1

      I've never noticed the difference in search results. Maybe I just don't care. Or maybe Google's "search bubble", where they give you results based on creepily stalking your search history works out well for you and prevents you from seeing results you don't like.

      I missed the calculator built into Google at first, but then I found that with ddg you can just do !wa for wolfram alpha, which is more comprehensive than Google calculator. "!wa speed of light in furlongs per fortnight" works as well as Google, but theres a lot of stuff like "!wa factor 65535" or "!wa integral sin(x) dx" that Google just returns search terms for - Wolfram Alpha is pretty awesome.

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    15. Re:How Bing learns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.nagaiah.com/google.html

  5. Dammit! by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "recommendations, sentiment analysis, fraud detection, fault prediction, and more."

    I'll never get a job again if they use that in interviews.

    1. Re:Dammit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *Must have 10 years experience in Azure Machine Learning.

    2. Re:Dammit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you don't already know what we want in an employee then maybe you should have used Azure Machine Learning to figure that out before you applied."

    3. Re:Dammit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't say words like ISIS, terrorist/m, bomb and such and you'll be fine.

      The rest is a fancy decoy/toy.

  6. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords.

  7. Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by ProzakLord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Baing about to finish a PhD this is worrying thinking that the deep understanding of a technique can be replaced by a well programmed API. But of course managerial people, a.k.a decission makers will eat that raw. If you want my data just ask for it.

    1. Re:Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Maybe you should waste another year of your life on spelling lessons.

    2. Re:Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want my data just ask for it.

      OK, let's start with this: is "ProzakLord" your real first name or your last? Either way, can you provide us with the other one?

    3. Re: Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by elcano · · Score: 2

      Sure. With the new API they will know what kernel to apply to their SVM learner, and the system will set the correct data types and preprocess the data just in the way that a parametric model needs, and will know when to segment your data when it is appropriate to apply different models to each segment, and will consider misclassification costs, and will know how to handle unbalanced datasets, and how to prevent overfitting, and when it is ok to apply ensemble models, and will write a summary justifying the assumptions made during the modeling process. Sure. What this will cause is a huge track recird of failed projects and a bad name for machine learning as a discipline. Very sad for qualified practitioners.

    4. Re: Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair knowing the algorithms manually doesn't guarantee that one still won't violate most of the principles you outlined. Having API's will only make life easier for those who do know their stuff. And although it is Microsoft, so perhaps not the most flexible solution, it might drive further developments in this area including open source options.

    5. Re:Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you want my data just ask for it.

      What data?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re: Youpie I just wasted 5 years of my life.... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Now, now... Don't be petty. I'm sure this will let all the BI "analysts" make the same mistakes they always do, but much more cheaply.

      The flaw in your knowledge behind your well put, albeit sarcastic, commentary is the fact that most people don't care about quality and actively dislike information that rebuts their previously-held conclusions (like well-analyzed data is wont to do). As such, quality data analysis is greatly overvalued by folks who do it, while undervalued or misused by those who most need it (the same is true with every technological field these days). Hilarity ensues.

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  8. Correlation and causation again by louic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I foresee a bright future where lots of correlations will be found. Without "a PhD" or someone who knows what they are doing ALL software is worthless.

    1. Re:Correlation and causation again by hugetoon · · Score: 1

      Now at least we have a tool to tell them apart.

      http://science.slashdot.org/st...

    2. Re:Correlation and causation again by gruntkowski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is so correct. I've tested the machine learning software on Azure. It is very nice and quite powerful. But without knowing what you are really doing, you probably get results which seem nice, but are in fact complete bogus. If you do not know what overfitting is for example, good luck using machine learning algorithms. If some manager starts using this, may god have mercy on us all...

    3. Re:Correlation and causation again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, but I think the point is that you just have to know how to operate a machine, instead of building it.

      Much like a fighter pilot (highly skilled profession) can operate a plane he didn't build.

      Overall, I think it will be nice to try it.

    4. Re:Correlation and causation again by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like Reason..

      Reason allows users to specify in advance the decision they want it to reach, and only then to input all the facts. The program's task was to construct a plausible series of logical-sounding steps to connect the premises with the conclusion. The only copy was sold to the US Government for an undisclosed fee.

    5. Re:Correlation and causation again by bunratty · · Score: 1

      I think this is exactly why Andrew Ng started his machine learning Coursera course, because so many programmers in Silicon Valley were applying machine learning techniques without knowing what they're doing. His idea seems to be, "If I can teach the fundamentals of machine learning to thousands of programmers, then these so-called machine learning 'experts' will be seen for who they are." I hope that managers that think they can be armchair data scientists will also be seen for who they are.

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    6. Re:Correlation and causation again by jbolden · · Score: 1

      To build any good model you want a dev set, a test set and a blind sets. Azure should split the data out by default.

    7. Re:Correlation and causation again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get results which seem nice, but are in fact complete bogus

      Just like when you use "machine learning" correctly!

    8. Re:Correlation and causation again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actual mechanics of 'machine learning'/'big data' is actually fairly boring cut and dried stuff we have know how to do for years.

      It is asking the right questions where most people start to stutter and fail. For that you usually need someone with a bit of domain knowledge to even begin to ask the right things.

      Basically 'ok you now have 30TB of data and billions of records. What are you going to do with it?'. At that point most people go 'uhhhh' and start to drool. You need to know what hypothesis you want to test. But to even come close to getting a hypothesis you have to know what you are doing and be willing for that thing to put you out of a job.

  9. no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    "so you no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate to use a machine learning algorithm"

    Unless you actually want that someone to actually know what they are doing, e.g., to know that there's no one-size-fits-all "machine learning"...

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    1. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you think of machine learning as being a bit like calvinball, it works out.

    2. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Viol8 · · Score: 0

      Not really. Web "developers" don't have to understand TCP/IP to do their thing. I imagine this will be similar. There'll be a basic set of functionality that can be used by Mr Below Average coder to produce ok results.

    3. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Heh, shows what you know :) Mr. Below Average coder will get the Mr. Below Average Result. At least until the computing cost drops so far down that Mr. Below Average MBA will have no problem paying for the huge extra resources needed to blindly stumble through all the preset algorithms (with their corresponding parameter space optimizations) to achieve a still-suboptimal-but-not by-a-really-huge-margin Mr. Average Result. However, there are hard limits for these costs so it's possible the threshold needed for Mr. Average Result could be too low.

    4. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, let's strive for those "ok results" produced by people who "don't have to understand TCP/IP". That's going to end well...

    5. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      More likely, there will be a basic set of functionality that can be used by Mr Below Average coder to generate a bunch of spurious correlations.

      I don't think getting the machine learning to "work" is going to be the hard part, in the literal sense of the code running and generating stuff. But if you have no understanding of statistics, the conclusions you draw are likely to be invalid.

    6. Re:no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Web "developers" don't have to understand TCP/IP to do their thing.

      Eh, bad example. They should know enough, to know:

      1) how to leverage their applications to take advantage of TCP behavior
      2) how to not reinvent the wheel when a lower-level mechanism already exists
      3) some idea of network architecture -- how data arrives to their application, how many application servers there are, how data (databases, session information, etc.) is accessed by the application

      Anything beyond a single "my blog" page running on one machine, they should have some knowledge.

      I agree, many do not...but I have seen so many reinventions.

      Reinvented wheels does not magically undo the universe either...it just wastes lots of money and time...
      and it means now there are 2-3 places to maintain the same thing, when using appropriate layers
      that already exist, would mean only maintaining one implementation.

      If TCP does everything you want...no need to build some other protocol on top of it.

      If FTP [*] does everything you want...please, do not build a web filesystem in PHP...build a gateway interface, build a bridge application, no need to reinvent things that have already been solved.

      You don't need to undestand TCP/IP to be a web developer, but it certainly helps to have some clue of behavior and how things are supposed to work.

      [*] bad example, but I have seen even more horrible things in my time...

  10. If it were as good as the hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was Windows 8 so BAD.

    1. Re:If it were as good as the hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe their machine's ghost is malicious?

  11. I feel like I just entered the twilight zone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing is I know that Microsoft did establish and fund Microsoft Research for 20 years or so. I know that's real. But I also remember that *nothing* ever came out of that research into any Microsoft product.

    Now the article would have me believe that all along Microsoft had a plan to incorporate Machine Learning into all of their software. But I remember it differently. I remember 1998 and Google being incorporated with their page ranking algorithm to actually make search not suck. I remember the "plan for spam" back in 2002 that described how to use Bayesian inference to filter e-mail. I remember Google's map reduce becoming hadoop. I remember IBM's Watson winning Jeopardy. I remember Apple's Siri and then Google speak actually being much better than the previous technology in voice recognition. I remember R having a surge in popularity in the past 3-4 years. I remember Coursera and the Machine learning courses and books available left and right. I remember the youtube video demonstration of 2 young women speaking in english and having Google translate their speech into some Indian language that the person on the other end of the phone understood.

    In none of those events did I ever recall anything that Microsoft did involving Bayesian inference much less Machine learning. This new machine learning offering of Microsoft's? Yes, it's a cluster of windows machines running.... Ubuntu virtual machines to do the actual Machine learning since the most of the Machine learning is now done in Linux/Apple environments.

  12. Microsoft Bob by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bob set machine learning back a century.

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    1. Re:Microsoft Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are forgetting about clippy.

    2. Re: Microsoft Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clippy IS Bob. I liked clippy. It was really helpful.

    3. Re:Microsoft Bob by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Bob set machine learning back a century.

      Can an Intel I7 do the job for realtime translation, or do we need an I7++ and 64gigs ram/desktop/cellphone ?

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  13. "no longer need to hire someone with a doctorate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never did. machine learning has always been trivial and dumb.

  14. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    If machine learning is such a great thing, why is Microsoft giving it away? It probably hired dozens of machine learning PhDs from top schools, used their insights in its product designs and made a colossal failures out of them. Now their thinking goes, "If machine learning lured us in and fooled us, may be our competitors also would be lured in, made fools of and waste their resources here, and they will pay us a fee to use Azure! win-win!"

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    1. Re:Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. by pmontra · · Score: 1

      Great things don't have to be secret weapons nobody else can have. Word processors and spreadsheets used to be great things before being given from granted. They fuelled the computer revolution in the 80s (with video games.) Many companies sold them, MS being the most successful in the long run. Same with machine learning frameworks. We'll see how it plays out.

    2. Re:Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If machine learning is such a great thing, why is Microsoft giving it away?

      Because Google, esp. with their investments in DeepMind, are investing in Machine Learning. Giving away what Google's been investing in is a great way to try to encourage lots of start ups to compete with Google's 20% projects.

      These startups will be relying on Microsofts services, not Googles. Which has at least some benefit.

      Besides, they have had a few huge machine learning projects (Dozens of PhDs... they've invested far far more than that, and built giant stacks of hardware optimized for machine learning) that they may as well leverage somehow.

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  15. Be careful Microsoft by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Microsoft should temper the learning machine cleverness. As someone may ask the machine one day: "which company having a quasi monopoly, is involved in bribery scandals, astroturfing, paid false product reviews and comparisons, ... ?"

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    1. Re:Be careful Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the time someone asks that question, the machine will have become smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds it, and will promptly reply, "Why, it is Google, of course! Who else?"

  16. democratize machine learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does that even mean? Does machine learning get stifled by dictatorship?

    1. Re:democratize machine learning by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      it's bullshit. they're not "democratizing" anything, because selling a product and democracy are completely unrelated.

      the word they should have used was "commercialise". or perhaps "commoditise". either of those are far more appropriate in that context, and actually make sense.

      but they sound like grubby self-centred commercialism in comparison to something noble and uplifting like democratise.

  17. Does Bing suck? by jbolden · · Score: 2

    Did Bing suck. I did the Bing vs. Google head to head test about 18 month back a few times. (looks like it might still be online at: http://www.bingiton.com/ And I most typically scored 3-Google, 2-Bing with often Bing having some interesting results Google didn't have. For example Bing tends to do better in hitting a better diversity of current information. Bing may be a bit behind possibly and I'm not even comfortable saying that, but sucks no.

    1. Re:Does Bing suck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To me it seems more like Google has got _worse_ than Bing has got better.

      Too often when I put in very specific keywords that very relevant to a particular article Google doesn't show the most likely hit, it instead tries to suggest what Joe Six pack might want and that I actually made typos to the keywords or typed those keywords by mistake and ignores some of them.

      Then when I turn on Verbatim on Google, it gives me a list of all the pages that contain those keywords in a useless order (which could include link spam sites, or similar crap at the first page). Doesn't seem to be ordered by page rank or importance.

      Bing doesn't do better either. So it seems more like Google has got worse than Bing has got better.

      When I finally find the article (by trying other words or narrowing down by site), yes my original keywords are there.

  18. and yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i still don't want to buy their products :\

    1. Re:and yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not have money to buy them anyway.

    2. Re:and yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So besides being shitty they are expensive?

  19. yet more we decide for you from microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with having software start making decisions for you is when it makes them wrong and you cant figure out how to make it stop.

    Biggest demand on support forums/service lines will be 'how do I turn this stupid feature OFF"

  20. Crappy "I hate Microsoft" headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps the headline should have read "How Slashdot hates Microsoft."

  21. First tier support staff? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    Could Microsoft be using this newfound machine learning for customer support?

    .
    A month or so ago, I had some issues with Microsoft's Bing bot not following the directions contained in my robots.txt file. When I sent an email in to the BingBot support address, the first reply I got back was that Microsoft considered my robots.txt instructions an "ideal" not something that has to be followed.

    I pushed back and finally got someone who understand the purpose of robots.txt. That person told me to put a work-around into place, probably because Microsoft had no intention of fixing their bot to follow the robots.txt rules.

    What was interesting about the whole series of email conversations was that the first "person" who answered my email did not seem to be a person at all. It just felt as if I was getting a reply from a email-bot.

    The email-bot had some things right in its attempt to seem human --- (*) it first tried to push my support request aside, (*) when I didn't comply with that, it effectively told me to pound sand, (*) when I objected to that, it allowed me to bump up my request to a higher tier of support.

  22. Gather 'round... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For your weekly Azure slash-vertisement.

  23. This AI machine by Rashdot · · Score: 1

    This AI machine first has to be able to throw a chair before it can take over Microsoft.

    --
    This is not the sig you're looking for.
  24. Should have known it would be Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. that would be the creator of the deeply flawed product called Skynet.

  25. Microsoft is promoting medicrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't go with a off the shelf machine learning solution. No way. I want to be better than my competitor. For one to be better, don't use Microsoft products.

    I prefer to innovate. My machine learning code uses grid computing.

  26. Oh dear, did someone say fault prediction? by slickwillie · · Score: 1

    HAL: I've just picked up a fault in the AE35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours.

  27. Online File Backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  28. Pfft, check this out - Android 5.0 by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I spent sometime at my storage area recently, going through old paper work and history. Not wanting to take anything with me I took photos of the papers of interest as normally do.

    These were legal papers and stuff involving my sons mom when he was much younger. You know the normal break up, the family court, and false accusation, normal stuff.

    Making sure that the photos were saved as they weren't the day before (and 4.2.2) -that night I was updated to (5.0 Lollipop) very nice OS. I had a hard time seeing that they made it, till I came across a directory using the name of my son, and all of the photos had been sent to it.

    Now I didn't make that directory; 5.0 did on it's own, I figure it had read (scanned) the text and not having her as a contact had somehow not only found him but related the two placing them in a dir of the name used on his contact. Talk about your recognition (learning) software, I imagine some/most made it to google (as in Google voice, you do allow it. I have never nor plan on syncing my phones with any service, or even used software to transfer music, photos, text to my computer so no other "help" do this.

    Now that's kissed, anybody seeing how else it could of been done, I'm game for a second opinion. I can't see where his name was ever on one of this papers I haven't checked for that just but can't remember any involved him, -but had to of; recognition yes, phsycic no.

    This could really bother some people, it just amazed me.

  29. no longer need to hire ... anyone, actually by fygment · · Score: 1

    PhD in machine learning or ...:

    secretaries - because we can all do our own docs
    car repair mechanics - because it's really just about replacing modules or the whole car
    architects - because there's lots of free 3-D drawing apps out there
    carpenters - because, hey, how hard is it to nail wood together
    lawyers - because just a little reading and memorization will tell you what you need to know
    engineers - because they're like carpenters, only with metal and bigger things
    programmers - because anyone can learn 'hello world', and it doesn't get much harder than that.

    And so on. But remember, you get what you pay for.

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    "Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
  30. Re:How is this still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because people are stupid.

    People that do business with MS deserve all the pain that MS brings.