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Al-Shabaab Video Threat Means Heightened Security at Mall of America

Reuters and other news outlets carry the news that the Minnesota's gigantic Mall of America is under heightened security after a video threat posted online by terrorist group Al-Shabaab. Also at CNN and CBS News. According to Reuters' version of the story: The U.S. homeland security chief said on Sunday he takes seriously a threat made by Somali-based Islamist militants against shopping malls, including the Mall of America in Minnesota, and urged people going there to be careful. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson was reacting to a video released by al Shabaab appearing to call for attacks on Western shopping areas, specifically mentioning Mall of America, the West Edmonton Mall in Canada and London's Oxford Street. ... Mall officials issued a statement about the threat made by the group, saying they are monitoring events with the help of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies. "Mall of America has implemented extra security precautions, some may be noticeable to guests, and others won’t be," the officials said.

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  1. visibility doesnt matter. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    impact is what counts, and groups like Shabaab understand that even if they are incapable of rendering an attack, its the threat that counts most. Commercial targets instituting checkpoints and screening are what these groups are going for, as these hallmarks serve as a consistent reminder that Shabaabs presence is taken seriously by america as a legitimate threat they cannot proactively reduce or mitigate through normal foreign policy to a level that would permit the american "way of life."

    legitimate terrorist attacks have no source, no warnings, are unpredictable and incur large-scale casualties. The boston marathon bombing is an excellent example of a functional implementation of terrorism. One or two of these every 10 years and you dont need funding or training for anything else. just send a tweet or post a youtube, and the target entity will do all the work to ensure your message and intent are expressed.

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    1. Re:visibility doesnt matter. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the best way to frustrate them is to aggressively take down every video and communique they post. Lowers the audience they can reach to recruit, and reduces the incentive for them to do more and more extreme acts "to get attention" if it doesn't work.

      Now some people will get up in arms about freedom of speech - however, i would point out that the people making these posts are non-citizens, and they certainly don't believe in freedom of speech (or other freedoms).

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    2. Re:visibility doesnt matter. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that our own government seems to WANT us to be terrified of the "terrorists".

      Which is why spokespeople for our government are making sure that as many of our people are aware of the "threats" as possible.

      The government should be posting videos of its own MOCKING them. And re-editing their videos.

      And taking down the worst ones WITHOUT TELLING EVERYONE THAT YOU ARE TAKING THEM DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BAD AND HERE IS WHY THEY ARE SO BAD.

    3. Re:visibility doesnt matter. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that our own government seems to WANT us to be terrified of the "terrorists".

      Of course it does - they want people to give them more money and power.

      You're eight times more likely to be killed this year by a cop than a terrorist, and that's including 9/11 (and let's not even discuss swimming pools and motor vehicles or the flu).

      But do you see Obama scare monger mongering about any of that? Of course not - there's no play for more power on those. There's no campaign coffer to fill with deposits from the military industrial complex from those.

      Understand the motivations and then the actions make perfect sense.

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  2. From Mall of America visitor rules: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "Guns are banned on these premises."

    How about removing that rule as a first step? 'Gun free zones' are instant targets.

    1. Re:From Mall of America visitor rules: by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about removing that rule as a first step? 'Gun free zones' are instant targets.

      You might possibly have had a point if we were considering an armed robbery of the mall, although the fact that countries with strict gun control laws have murder rates that are a tiny fraction of the US suggests that the downsides far, far outweigh any small benefit.

      However I really don't understand how a civilian armed with a gun will stop a terrorist bomb. Having armed civilians wandering around a shopping mall shooting anyone with a backpack, bag or briefcase who looks "suspicious" frankly sounds like a far more terrifying prospect than a terrorist with a bomb and one likely to result in far more deaths. What we need is a plan to stop them from causing "terror", not one where you do it for them

    2. Re:From Mall of America visitor rules: by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are you limiting it to just terrorist attacks?

      At last check, with the exception of the Gabrielle Giffords's shooting... every single mass shooting in this country since the 1950's where there have been more than 3 deaths have taken place at a location where people were not able to carry a firearm.

      This applies not only to every single school K-12 shooting you can think of, but the Aurora theater prohibited firearms on their premises, Ft Hood only allowed MPs to consistently be armed, Virginia Tech prohibited students (even with CPLs) from carrying... the list goes on and on.

      Let me turn that Q around for you... when in the history of a world has a person hell-bent on doing evil, walked up to a door that said "Gun Free Zone" and said "Damn, I guess I'll have to find another place to create carnage?"

  3. The US gets back what it seeded by johanw · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So the US thinks it can bomb the shit out of civilians (only "collateral damage" in US terms) in many countries and support oppressive regimes without someday getting it back? Think again. When you vote for the bombing criminals, you become a legitimate target.

    However, these people help the US government just fine in getting support for the US government to control and repress their own population even more.

  4. Terry Gilliam is a prophet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are living in Brazil.

    The movie is dated but poignant. I recommend it to everyone over the age of 12.

  5. Re:It looks like by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh come on. Even during the Blitz, Britons made jokes about the Germans. Humor is how people cope with stressful situations, and it is a hell of a lot better a way to deal with terrorist threats than running around screaming your fool head off, or worse, in some ways, become a hyper-serious worry wort believing at any moment you're going to die in some terrorist bomber's explosion.

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  6. Re: It looks like by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because attacking the Army directly would lead to instant loss. Attacking civilians is a much more successful strategy.

  7. Re:Can this be fixed with technology? by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and give them grounds to point the finger at the west and say "See, they are a bunch of infidels that deserve what they get!".

    Eating pork, drinking alcohol, not praying to Allah five times a day and allowing my wife to drive and not cover her face head while I draw a cartoon about Jesus, Moses and Mohammed walking into a bar is plenty enough reason for them already.

    When you are dealing with hyper-sensitive people you have two choices:
    1) Change your entire lifestyle so as to walk around on egg shells and hope and pray they don't get offended, or
    2) Live your life normally and require them to develop a thicker skin.

    There was a time in this country where #2 was actually the norm, alas people like you however keep trying to push us harder and harder towards #1.

    But then, it's easy for me to say that... I am an adult, I simply do not get offended regardless of what someone says about me or something that I care about. It's part of being an adult.

    Know what we call people who freak out at every little thing?

    Children... and Democrats... but mostly children.

  8. Re:Why hasn't it happened already? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We can stomp ISIS into the ground should we be so inclined - but we're not so inclined.

    No, we can't. We have no such capability.

    The problem is that ISIS is not a uniformed, traditional military force. It's supported by the cities it rules over. It's one and the same with the local population of Sunnis. The only way you're going to stomp ISIS into the ground is to level Sunni cities, and kill ALL the people living in them. The west is not willing to do that.

  9. Re:It looks like by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not joking but what the hell are they going to get by attacking a mall for god sakes!

    Mentioned on Slashdot?

    Seriously, I think it's all about being as shitty as possible. It's like 8chan with religious self-justification.

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  10. Re:It looks like by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > what the hell are they going to get by attacking a mall for god sakes!

    To terrorize, an extreme form of intimidation.

    Remember "Apocalypse Now" : "Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared."

    The idea is to make people afraid of ever offending Islam. To be afraid of getting on an airplane, or shopping at the mall, or drawing a carton, or expressing an opinion. After a while, it because easier to submit to Islam than to live in constant fear.

    And it works. It works like all hell. There are 57 Muslim nations, practically all taken by force. There are about 1.5 billion Muslims. No other ideology has grown so fast.

  11. Re:Why hasn't it happened already? by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tell the Boston bombing victims that nothing like this has happened, or the victims at Fort Hood. This stuff happens in Europe all the time.

    Some Muslim clergy talks some crazy into some such attack. Then the media, and the politicians, fall all over themselves to tell the public that the attack has nothing to do with Islam. Then the big story will be that Muslims fear a backlash - as if the Muslims are the victims, and not the aggressors.

    We need to stop the PC bullshit. Pull our heads out of our asses, and see Islam for what it is.