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Intel Moving Forward With 10nm, Will Switch Away From Silicon For 7nm

An anonymous reader writes: Intel has begun talking about its plans for future CPU architectures. The company is already working on a 10nm manufacturing process, and expects the first such chips to be ready by early 2017. Beyond that, things are getting difficult. Intel says it will need to move away from silicon when it develops a 7nm process. "The most likely replacement for silicon is a III-V semiconductor such as indium gallium arsenide (InGaAs), though Intel hasn't provided any specific details yet." Even the current 14nm chips they're making ran into unexpected difficulties. "While Intel didn't provide any specifics, we strongly suspect that we're looking at the arrival of transistors based on III-V semiconductors. III-V semiconductors have higher electron mobility than silicon, which means that they can be fashioned into smaller and faster (as in higher switching speed) transistors."

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  1. amazing by schlachter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amazing that we're getting to 7nm, and rather than saying we can't do it, there's just casual talk about how they will have to switch away from silicone. Really incredible. Will they just keep marching forward to less than 7nm and into other exotic configs?

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    1. Re:amazing by thygate · · Score: 2

      The thing is, atoms are very, very small, but they still have a finite size. A hydrogen atom, for example, is about 0.1 nanometers, and a caesium atom is around 0.3nm. The atoms used in silicon chip fabrication are around 0.2nm.

      source: http://www.extremetech.com/com...

    2. Re:amazing by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is some debate among people if 5nm will make sense or even be reasonable to do...

      Can a 5nm transistor be made? Sure.... Can 5 billion of them be packed onto a chip and sold for $200? That is a different question...

      Going to 5nm only helps if it is a functional product that is better than what we have.

      Anything further beyond that and it becomes really interesting... it might happen, but we're running out of room in the known universe.

    3. Re:amazing by itzly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Going to 5nm only helps if it is a functional product that is better than what we have.

      We still don't have the processing power of a human brain in a few pounds of silicon, running on 20 Watts. There's still a lot to do.

    4. Re:amazing by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know if such would make my PC run faster, but it sounds delicious!

    5. Re:amazing by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      We don't? I don't know about you, but I sure can't do a billion math problems in a minute... but my Intel CPU sure can...

      I couldn't do a billion math problems in my whole life!

      Depends on how you measure processing power of course...

    6. Re:amazing by DrTJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From Metal-Pages:

      In: $600/kg
      Ga: $220/kg

      vs

      Si: $3/kg

      The material part of the cost of the chip is likely to go up. I think however, that part today is minuscle,
      so that part of the price impact with be small. However, I do think the volume benefits to Si technology
      (50 years of development and industrial support, and with 13 gazillion Si units produced every year)
      will be very, very hard to beat with any III-V technology. There's so much new stuff to be done: defect
      density, passivation, via technology, lithography chemistry etc. The investment in III-V to reach current Si
      position will be huge and ultimately paid by the customers with higher unit prices.

    7. Re:amazing by JanneM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm talking about the silicon chips doing the things that our brain can do, such as designing the next intel chip.

      The major stumbling block isn't processor speed or capacity. It's that we don't know how to architect such a system in the first place.

      And if you think about it, a lot of the "smart" things we want to automate really don't need anything like human-level or human-like intelligence. A car with the smarts of a mouse would do great as an autonomous vehicle. Real mice manage to navigate around a much more difficult, unpredictable and dangerous environment, using a far more complex and tricky locomotion system, after all.

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    8. Re:amazing by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Silicone? Really incredible - transistors made out of flubber. There is a huge difference between silicon and silicone.

      And if you keep abreast of technology you will know that silicone has more to do with enlargement than miniturisation.

    9. Re:amazing by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Funny

      many people use silicon to watch silicone so maybe they are more closely related than we think.

    10. Re:amazing by itzly · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, silicon is orders of magnitude faster, so you could use less hardware resources and do many things in sequence, rather than in parallel.

    11. Re:amazing by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      You are mistaken, every time you listen to music your brain is doing like 20k floating point ops per second, watching a ball and trying to hit is with your tennis racket involves millions of flops, on top of that balancing and moving your body requires a robot a few mega if not giga flops. Not so sure about your body, perhaps it needs less flops than a robit :)
      Your brain is by far the most powerfull computing device we right now have on the planet. Only beaten by my brain of course.
      I really doubt a peta flop super computer is able to match a human brain right now.

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    12. Re:amazing by Aereus · · Score: 2

      I think the bigger problem is, what happens when we reach the long-tail of process development, and demand tapers off to the point they can't fund further R&D?

      IE: Systems are "good enough" and people go from buying one every 3 years to "only when they break". That could be 10+ years.

      I suppose Intel would just follow the carrot to the next profitable market like they are pushing Atom CPUs lately?

    13. Re:amazing by CreatureComfort · · Score: 2

      I couldn't even guess how many flops it takes to play soccer, or write a script for a Hollywood movie...

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    14. Re:amazing by Theovon · · Score: 2

      I don't know if this'll apply to InGaAs, but for silicon, I did a projection based on ITRS numbers. As transistors shrink, they get faster. But at the same time, process variation gets worse, and that uncertainty requires wider safety margins. At what point does the increase in performance equal the increase in safety margin? 5nm.

      It's unlikely that InGaAs will suffer less in terms of random dopant fluctuation and lithographic abberations, unless it's less damaged by UV, in which case at least the lithographic problems can be reduced a bit.

    15. Re:amazing by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cray did it first.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
      Seymour Cray build a GaAs based computer almost 20 years ago. It actually worked but he ran out of money because of the end of the Cold War and the need for Super Computers decreased.

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    16. Re:amazing by moeinvt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it was 90, 45 and 22 (with some in between) but the explosion in mobile devices and the scramble for smaller, faster cheaper was still at work in that market.
      Mobile has sort of reached a point where shrinking the device has only marginal value however. Users want or need a certain screen size and the devices need a certain mechanical strength, so "smaller" components aren't a big value driver. I don't see that faster speeds are going to be a huge value in that market either. Lower power/more battery life is still a bonus and if costs keep going down at each node, the demand will be there.
      Now that we're talking about moving away from silicon however, the smaller, faster and lower power are still considerations, but I think the OP is talking about the point where the new technology can achieve that, but only at higher cost. Are there enough products and applications where people are willing to pay a premium for the extra functionality? We shall see.

    17. Re:amazing by Immerman · · Score: 2

      And to look around the GHz barrier *was* pretty damned insurmountable. Sure, it wasn't at exactly 1000MHz, but that particular number was always a "magical thinking" artifact of how the human brain regards numbers. We hit 1GHz back in 2000, and here we are, 15 years later and we haven't managed even managed a single order of magnitude increase in clock speed. Lets put that in proper context: 15 years earlier, in 1985, Intel had just released the 12MHz 386 with optional floating point module.

      So, from '85 to '00 we got roughly 100x faster clock speeds, plus vectored floating-point instruction sets and radically improved pipelining. Then over the next 15 years we managed to push the clock-speed boundary up another, what 3-4x? That looks an awful lot like hitting a brick wall to me.

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  2. To answer your question by ciaran2014 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nope. They've decided to hit 7nm and then call it a day.

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    1. Re:To answer your question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They've decided to hit 7nm and then call it a day.

      I asked Gordon Moore about this and he said it would be illegal.

    2. Re:To answer your question by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Intel did license Transmeta's patents, if only to keep an iron in the fire. According to wikipedia, Transmeta at the time had code morphing working supposedly utilizing lower power but slower in terms of performance relative to clock speed. Now the balance has switched from the Mhz wars to all-day battery life on fanless machines. In competing with ARM, sacrificing a bit of performance for power consumption might be a winner.

      I dunno much about Mill but if you read their whitepaper(s), it *sounds* revolutionary in venture capitalist speak.

      And for the Russian chip, they have their own native ISA but emulate x86, which some have been saying is a millstone but required for binary compatibility.

      I'm not having a go at the folks at Intel, clever blokes than me... They did try producing a revolutonary new platform as a successor to x86 - but the Itanic proved less than successful.

    3. Re:To answer your question by msobkow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A buddy's brother works (or worked, who knows now) for Intel, and used to bring along demos of the latest and greatest lab technology when he came for visits. Some of the stuff he had was up to 10-15 years ahead of actual release cycles in terms of performance and capability. I'm sure some of the ideas got scrapped, but a lot of them probably made it into production in the chips we use today.

      Wild stuff. Both brothers were major hardware geeks.

      I'd love to see what kind of technology he's showing his brother from the labs over Christmas and Easter holidays nowadays. :D

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    4. Re:To answer your question by itzly · · Score: 2

      The problem with some optimizations is that they do not work with the x86 instruction set.

      I don't see why the x86 instruction set is a problem. Just translate them on the fly, as they've been doing for years.

    5. Re:To answer your question by tigersha · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intel was heavily invested in VLIW, and developed Itanium. That did not go well, and AMD brought out x64 and ate their lunch. Intel adopted AMD's instruction set and Itanium is basically dead now.

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    6. Re: To answer your question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be a really tiny computer.....

    7. Re: To answer your question by geantvert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You wll never be happy because laptops will never be as powerful as desktops. Simply speaking, if you manage to create a laptop as powerful as a desktop then you can also create a more powerful desktop. That is not a matter of computing power but of temperature. Desktop are by definition bigger than laptops so they can dissipate more heat.

    8. Re: To answer your question by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your request makes no sense. You can always fit more processing power in a big case with lots of cooling than in a small case with very limited airflow (and power constraints on the fans). And it's always going to be cheaper to produce chips that can consume more power and dissipate more heat than ones with similar performance but a lower power budget. The only reason that the prices have become so close is that laptop sales passed desktop sales some years ago and now the economies of scale are on the side of the mobile parts.

      If you want a laptop with the power of a desktop, just wait a couple of years and you'll be able to buy a laptop with the power of this generation's desktops. Of course, desktops will be even faster by then.

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    9. Re:To answer your question by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative
      The Mill is interesting, but has a lot of limitations that are likely to shop up in general purpose code (e.g. try writing a signal handler, context switcher, or stack unwinder for The Mill and you'll have a lot of fun).

      As to Transmeta, the company that bought them was nVidia. Their Project Denver chips use a lot of the Transmeta ideas. They're particularly interesting in terms of history, as the project was several years along before they decided on the ISA (they spent a while trying to license the relevant patents from Intel to build an x86 chip, failed and went with ARMv8 - which may end up being a strategic error for Intel). Unlike the Transmeta chips, it has a hardware ARM decoder that generates horribly inefficient VLIW instructions from ARM code. This helps alleviate the startup penalty that the older Transmeta chips had, where they had to JIT compile every instruction sequence the first time they encountered it and then run it from their translation cache. The nVidia chips can run the code as soon as they pull it into the instruction cache and can profile it before doing the translation.

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    10. Re:To answer your question by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Just translate them on the fly, as they've been doing for years.

      You can, and people do. However, the issue is not translating one x86 instruction to one [insert ISA here] instruction. That has been done since x86 was invented, and was common with previous ISAs before that. The real requirement is to translate source code that maps to a bunch of x86 instructions into ONE [trendy ISA] instruction. This will obviously be easier if x86 is thrown out the window.

      Historical note: x86 is a bastadised rip-off of the PDP11 instruction set. The PDP11 was built as a "hardware Fortran machine" ie one instruction represents one Fortan instruction as far as was achievable in 1970. C is (just one) PDP11 assembly language! The VAX instruction set was an attempt to achieve a higher level machine code, which worked quite well - most VAX assembly instructions are actually function calls to application specific microcode.

      X86 was a poor ISA when the first 8086 chips were made (but good, given hardware capabilities at the time). That was about 40 years ago. MIPS and Sparc (and ARM) are all better than x86.

      The moral of this story is that it is "first past the post" in this game, cos people hate it when their favorite app stops working. (See Great Western Railway, Brunel and 8' gauge).

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    11. Re: To answer your question by MichaelMacDonald · · Score: 2

      I think this guy should actually be forced to use some of the pcs the government uses. I think most of them are probably still running Windows ME.

    12. Re: To answer your question by MichaelMacDonald · · Score: 2

      Couldn't Intel do a phased shift to a different ISA, and leave people to run older code in emulators? Different OS' would have to build in emulators, but it would probably work. Force compilers to start outputting new code withe the new isa. It wouldn't be different than the x64 move... When it would have made the most sense to replace x86...

    13. Re: To answer your question by itzly · · Score: 2

      It's not even clear that a new ISA would actually improve performance by a meaningful amount.

    14. Re: To answer your question by Wootery · · Score: 2

      Desktop are by definition bigger than laptops so they can dissipate more heat.

      What if my lap is bigger than my desk?

    15. Re: To answer your question by blackomegax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah laptops have some extreme thermal constraints that desktops simply have never had to deal with. Your average desktop chip is cooled by 8oz of alum and a loud, high speed fan (when PWM scales it up). Your average laptop has a postage stamp worth of heatsink fins at 2-4oz for weight budget, a heat pipe or two, and an anemic fan that can't move much air, and the air it IS moving is through a channel the size of a mouses ear.

    16. Re:To answer your question by blackomegax · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah my buddy used to bring home and show off things under NDA that would give competitors an edge too. He got fired.

    17. Re: To answer your question by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      They tried that with the Itanium and it did not go well.
      What Intel might do is faze out older parts of the ISA like the 16bit x86-x286 instructions to free up some space on the die. Even that might not be worth the effort since I am pretty sure those are already "emulated" on modern CPUs in the decoder.
      I thought that it would a good idea for Intel to go only 64 bit on their mobile chips. They have no real installed code base in mobile to worry about.

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    18. Re:To answer your question by blackomegax · · Score: 2

      Joke aside, AMD hasn't resembled Intel since the P2 days. P4 and Athlon were worlds apart. Haswell and AMD 8-core are vastly different even though they end up at the same multi-thread goal post. Zen is going to be some weird x86 AMD hybrid with HSA. Intel isn't even rolling HSA out any time this decade.

    19. Re: To answer your question by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      You think having to change the tape mid movie is the superior format for video cassettes?

      Seems to me like it was designed without the actual usage considered, and failed as it deserved.

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    20. Re:To answer your question by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Right after Unicode support.

      And after Beta goes live.....

      We're working it!

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    21. Re:To answer your question by sexconker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This was a lot of years ago. Things weren't as tightly controlled back then. '386 days...

      The 386 debuted in 1985 (the beginning of the "'386 days").
      The 486 debuted in 1989 (the end of the "'386 days").

      You claimed that you were looking at hardware that was up to 10-15 years ahead in terms of performance and capability.
      That means you saw the equivalent of 1995-2000 level hardware in 1985, 1999-2004 level hardware in 1989, or any corresponding range in the years between.
      The Pentium 4 was released in 2000.

      Care to revise your bullshit claim?

  3. InGaAs? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GaAs was the future of super-fast transistors. The Cray 3 was made from GaAs.

    GaAs has a much higher electron mobility than silicon, 8,5000 versus about 1,500 for silicon. This allows for much faster switching. InGaAs has an electron mobility of 10,000 allowing even faster switching.

    But that's just electrons which are used in P channel MOSFETs. For CMOS, you also need N channel MOSFETS. The kicker is that GaAs and InGaAs have respectively lower and much lower hole mobility so the N channel FETs switch rather slower than silicon.

    CMOS is by far the only architecture. Historically it is the most power efficient since it only spends energy switching. On high speed, small scale CMOS, however, lots of power goes into the switching itself, the switching is fast enough that the devices don't really act very ideally and there's a lot of leakage.

    Perhaps at very extreme ends, other architectures can compete, power wise.

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    1. Re:InGaAs? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > CMOS is by far the only architecture

      No it's not. Complementarity is great, but there's no requirement for it to be MOS-based. MOS is just the best choice for silicon. There are transistors using Schottky barriers and other technologies that are far better suited to InGaAs. Five minutes of googling would have revealed this and nullified your "Score 5 Interesting" argument.

      No, the main issue with InGaAs is manufacturing difficulty and expense. You can buy InGaAs chips right now. It's just really expensive technology and not nearly as developed as silicon, both in terms of manufacturing steps and lithography tech.

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    2. Re:InGaAs? by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Well, silicon is reaching its limits - much like with aircraft maneuverability, stability tends to come at a price: modern highly maneuverable fighter planes are so unstable that a human pilot couldn't hope to keep them in the air without constant computer assistance. Modern CPU manufacturing, self-monitoring, and thermal self-regulation are all far more advanced than when GaAS "failed" - I'd say its got a fair chance at a comeback, though doped diamond may prove more viable once synthetic diamond yields grow to sufficient scale. Barring revolutionary production techniques though, I think that's still at least a decade or two in the future.

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    3. Re:InGaAs? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The first transistors on a slab of semiconductors were made of GaAS but had trouble with temperature and reliability as Nasa and Boeing at the time were the biggest customers. Silicon was used as it was more stable and can withstand higher temperatures.

      I am surprised they are considering GaAS again after it failed

      You have to realize that modern technology is quite... wonderful in that it allows us to revisit things that were impractical before, and are practical now.

      I mean, back in the early days of microchips, you can't consider the deep-sub-micron technology we have today - the technology and materials know-how we have today just wasn't there. Just putting a few thousand transistors on a single die a few millimeters across was considered state of the art.

      I'm sure these days GaAs might be a bit more achievable because our tools, research and understanding of material sciences and IC lithography is far more advanced than the early days.

      Especially since GaAs based semiconductors have been around a long time now. It's not generally used as it's been a more expensive technology in general so it was reserved for things that require extremely high speed electronics.

  4. Re:This is the End, Beautiful Friend, the End. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Moore's Law had a good run, but she's dead Jim.

    It doesn't look that dead just yet. While that graph shows a straight diagonal line of transistor count over time, there should also be a flat line alongside showing the number of people who predict that Moore's Law is dead.

    Maybe they can partner with Apple and make a really skinny macbook.

    Why would they need to partner with Apple when they can just shrink their own competing Ultrabook spec? They own the trademark to it after all.

  5. Goodbye Silicon Valley by QuantumReality · · Score: 2

    Welcome InGaAs Valley

  6. Re:This is the End, Beautiful Friend, the End. by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised Moore's Law lasted this long. Other bottlenecks seem to be more of a factor of late such that I thought CPU's would take a bit of a rest due to diminishing practical returns, analogous to a Ferrari stuck in traffic.

  7. Well maybe future improvements by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 2

    will involve making chips taller, ie various forms of 3D ICs. That would mean that we could continue to get the apparent effects of higher densities at least for a while, though we'd really just be making taller or chips or better interconnected layers, but it would also mean that the cost of transistors wouldn't go down, it would probably go up.

    1. Re:Well maybe future improvements by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

      You can't just stack cpu chips on top of one another. They'd melt and vaporize. You either have to develop really good cooling tech or ways of reducing power consumption.

      One near-term solution is to stack memory (cache levels and main RAM) on the cpu chip. Memory doesn't produce that much heat so cooling would be straightforward. It would be a huge boost to speed to have memory right on top of the cpu. A few companies are working on this.

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    2. Re:Well maybe future improvements by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can't just stack cpu chips on top of one another. They'd melt and vaporize. You either have to develop really good cooling tech or ways of reducing power consumption.

      On-chip heat pipes will become a thing to carry heat away from the center of stacks. We found out that water actually goes faster through channels so small that it has to pass one molecule at a time.

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  8. Planes, trained agents and planetary automobiles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    > III-V semiconductor such as indium gallium arsenide (InGaAs

    I think the french will like it and possibly the swedes. They use Gallium and Indium based semiconductors in airborne electronic warfare systems, which allows for very high RF energy output in physically very small and high temperature tolerant packages. (For example used in the Dassault Rafale and SAAB Gripen fighter jets). The french SPECTRE jamming suite is especially famous: the Rafale plane is not stealthy, only has reduced radar reflection, but the french trusted their system enough so their pilots were already flying deep in lybian airspace by the time the US Navy started to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles at Gaddhafi. Supposedly there is something equal or better in the american F-35 JSF, but that airframe is so buggy one must wonder if it will ever enter service?

    On the other hand non-silicon semiconductors, like Ga and IN tend to cost twice the price of pure gold per weight or more. At the most extreme end, the soviet-russians even created diamond-based semiconductors, for use in space weapons and a planned Venus robotic rover. They invented a diamond crystal growing machine for the purpose, which after the Cold War was sold to a US company, which nowadays grows and sells multiple carat "cultured" yellow diamonds for ladyfolk decoration purposes. Beware, that femme fatale may wear a supercomputer on her finger! Now you know why multiple-finger gesture support was developed by Synaptics...

  9. Re:Resource wars by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is actually not correct.
    The comes from the fact that they where considered rare when they where discovered, the whole third group and the Lanthanoids are considered 'rare earth metals' ... many of them are actually absolutely not rare.
    Their oxydes are rare ores, perhaps you meant that. On the other hand 'deposites' of thise minerals are rare, too. But they are usually mined in quantities together with other ores, the primary ore of the deposite in question.
    See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L....

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  10. Re:Resource wars by Troed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Despite their name, rare earth elements (with the exception of the radioactive promethium) are relatively plentiful in Earth's crust, with cerium being the 25th most abundant element at 68 parts per million (similar to copper). However, because of their geochemical properties, rare earth elements are typically dispersed and not often found concentrated as rare earth minerals in economically exploitable ore deposits.[3] It was the very scarcity of these minerals (previously called "earths") that led to the term "rare earth".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

  11. Re:Don't think so by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    The ingredients are definitely nasty, so there's concern for industrial waste and exposure. However, the finished material has proven to be relatively harmless in animal studies. I was surprised to learn this, but that seems to be the conclusion, so there should be no immediate risk for using the end products.
    I'm not sure about the stability of the compounds or how they degrade over time.

  12. Not just heat but also stress by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 2

    Chips that run hotter also have more thermal gradient, which can put mechanical stress on the various delicate layers of the chip. Being able to run hotter means you can support more of a thermal gradient to ambient, and thus support more heat flow and thus more computations/sec. However, at some point you're going to cause mechanical failure of the chip, especially if the stresses cycle.

    So not only termperature tolerance, but also coefficient of thermal expansion and strength of all the various materials is going to count when it comes to longevity.

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  13. Material cost is largely irrelevant by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cost of the raw materials is completely dwarfed by the cost of processing. Even a very large chip (2 cm x 2cm by .5mm thick) masses less than a gram. It's also likely that these high-performance III-V chips will be built on a cheaper substrate, meaning the thickness of the expensive stuff will be much, much smaller.

  14. Needs to be in concentrated deposits by dlenmn · · Score: 2

    It's a bit more complicated that that. Even if an element is somewhat abundant but evenly distributed in the earth's crust, then it's difficult to mine. It's only practical to mine something if it's concentrated in some areas. E.g. gold is rare but you can find it in macroscopic flecks or clumps that are concentrated in certain areas. If gold were not concentrated like that but was instead uniformly distributed in the crust, there'd be no economical way to mine it.

    That said, it looks like indium is concentrated somewhere: in zinc ores. So large scale production may be possible.