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Pebble Time Smartwatch Receives Overwhelming Support On Kickstarter

DJAdapt writes: Pebble Time, the successor to the Pebble & Pebble Steel smartwatches, has gone up on crowdfunding site Kickstarter, hitting its $500,000 goal in 17 minutes and hitting the $2M mark in less than an hour. The new wearable is touting a color e-paper display and microphone for responding to notifications. It also has features Pebble users are already familiar with, such as seven days of battery life, water resistance, and an extensive library of watch faces and apps. Will any of you be jumping on this? Holding out for the Apple Watch? Waiting for wearables to get more capable?

141 comments

  1. Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I freed myself from wearing a watch about 10 years ago. No longer having the familiar restraint around my wrist has made me feel free. I much prefer a phone in the pocket to a phone on my wrist.

    Why we ever moved from pocket watches to wrist watches is a mystery to me.

    1. Re:Watches by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why we ever moved from pocket watches to wrist watches is a mystery to me.

      Primarily because you can glance at a wristwatch without having a free hand or any specific clothing.

      And you can also wear a wristwatch to bed. I like being able to see whether I can sleep for an hour more without fumbling around.

    2. Re:Watches by Jhon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I freed myself from wearing a watch about 10 years ago. No longer having the familiar restraint around my wrist has made me feel free. I much prefer a phone in the pocket to a phone on my wrist."

      And I felt the same way -- until I started wearing a pebble. I like keeping my phone in my pocket rather than taking it out 50+ times per day to see if an email or text is trivial or not.

    3. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you don't have to reach into any pockets: it's just there, ready to read.

      For me that positive exceeds the negative of fumbling around in pockets, but YMMV.

    4. Re:Watches by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I like being able to see whether I can sleep for an hour more without fumbling around.

      You need one of those ceiling projector clocks. I've had one for years and it's the nuts. Just look at the ceiling to see the time.

    5. Re:Watches by arth1 · · Score: 2

      1) How often do you look at the time? I look twice a day tops, if at all.
      2) Alarms are hard - why are you fumbling at all.

      1: I have a job.
      2: I tend to wake up several times before the alarm time. If it's just 15 minutes before, I get up; if longer, I stay in bed and try for some additional sleep.
      Also, sometimes I sleep other places than where I have an alarm clock.

    6. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one has ever resisted looking at their phone... you can see the people just itching to check their texts. At least a watch is mildly intrusive.

    7. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I freed myself from wearing a watch about 10 years ago. No longer having the familiar restraint around my wrist has made me feel free. I much prefer a phone in the pocket to a phone on my wrist.

      Why we ever moved from pocket watches to wrist watches is a mystery to me.

      The chances of my wristwatch battery dying (they last years between "charges"), or it automatically syncing to a new time zone (when I don't want it to), or contracting a virus (when I never want it to) are pretty much zero, and yet I've just described struggles people go through daily with their "watch". Why the hell would I subject myself to that when a wristwatch will pretty much just work non-stop.

      You "freed" yourself, as if the burden of a wristwatch was akin to the struggle of enslaved African Americans. Try not to be so dramatic about a fashion choice next time. It's a wristwatch, not a 50-pound boat anchor.

    8. Re:Watches by Barny · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your phone doesn't already have alarm features? Couldn't you use that as your alarm clock and, when turning it off check to see if you need to get up or can sleep in? I mean, you are already reaching out of bed for your alarm anyway.

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    9. Re:Watches by Vlado · · Score: 2

      I read somewhere, a long time ago, that wristwatches became "popular" during first world war. The reason was that watches were needed for executing coordinated attacks along the front. Wristwatches allowed you to check time, without letting go of your weapon. This also accounts for wristwatches being worn on the left hand. It allowed you to aim your rifle while being able to look at the watch along the arm that supported it.

    10. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work for a living. I would look at my watch at least 20-30 times a day at least as I record my activities so I can bill them to my customer.

    11. Re:Watches by siddesu · · Score: 1

      Why we ever moved from pocket watches to wrist watches is a mystery to me.

      Apparently, they were needed by pilots in the early era of flight. They needed to keep track of time, and at the same time they had to control the aircraft, which, at the time, was a hard physical work. So, wrist watches became a necessity, then cool, then a fashion item.

      My intro to aerodynamics book told a story similar to this one: http://monochrome-watches.com/...

    12. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could walk to work. I could grow my own food. I do a lot of things but phones are not alarm clocks- hell these days they're barely even decent phones. Right tool for the right job.

    13. Re:Watches by Sylak · · Score: 1

      idk, i had a problem with having trivial texts on my non-smart phones too.

    14. Re:Watches by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Sounds implausible. Only the officers would have needed to know what time the barrage would lift (or whatever) and they generally didn't carry rifles.

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    15. Re:Watches by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Yes I find reaching into my pocket and fiddling with a phone to find out the time to be extremely liberating.

    16. Re:Watches by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Here's a hint, they are all trivial. If someone can't be bothered to talk to you in person, it's probably not something that needs your attention immediately, if ever.

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    17. Re:Watches by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "No one has ever resisted looking at their phone... you can see the people just itching to check their texts. At least a watch is mildly intrusive."

      Don't you just love it, when you give a speech and 2 dozen people are checking their watches every 30 seconds?

    18. Re:Watches by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Try strapping your watch on your right wrist (if you're left handed), and you'll understand why we carry them on our left wrists.

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    19. Re:Watches by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Try strapping your watch on your right wrist (if you're right handed), and you'll understand why we carry them on our left wrists.

      FTFM (Fixed that for myself)

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    20. Re:Watches by LordNightwalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same here. I stopped wearing watches because I had allergic reactions to the metal, and for the past 15-20 years I used my cellphone as my watch instead. I don't often need to check the time, and when I do, odds are I'm behind a computer anyway. When I ordered my Pebble, I was a bit concerned because I didn't know how my skin would react to the plastic, but fortunately, the Pebble didn't provoke any reactions.

      For me, the main benefits my Pebble brings to the table are moving the notifications out of my pocket and onto my wrist. Incoming phone call? I can glance at my wrist to see who's calling, and with one button press reject the call to voicemail if I'm occupied. The phone is constantly on silent, doesn't even vibrate. All emails, text messages, hangouts conversations arrive on my wrist, very discreet. A simple glance tells me whether to dig the phone out of my pocket to reply, or if it can wait. Having your wristwatch vibrate and casting it a quick glance at it is also a lot less disruptive during conversations/meetings, as opposed having your phone make noises or vibrate in your pocket or on the desk. Especially once people realise you're wearing a smartwatch, and are not constantly checking the time because the conversation bores you. ;)

      With the new firmware version, it even allows you to respond right from the watch. I currently have the following templates defined: Driving, Meeting, Just call, Yup and Nope. I may need to finetune them (thinking of replacing the Yup with the more widely applicable OK), but I find them immensely useful for quick responses when I'm otherwise occupied and can't write a long reply. E.g. in the car, when someone starts a hangouts message, I can simply inform them that I'm driving so they know not to expect an immediate reply. Without creating dangerous situations by using an on-screen keyboard while driving. Sometimes people message me and I need to respond before arriving at my destination. Being able to tell them to just call me (have handsfree in the car for a reason), with just a few button presses is immensely useful. Of course, if I didn't have the Pebble, responses while driving would just have to wait. But it's convenient being able to respond right away without creating a dangerous situation.

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    21. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pocket watches were preferred by men until World War One. (Women preferred wristwatches). During the war, men found that having a watch on the wrist was preferable to fishing one up from a pocket. After the war, the fashion for mens pocketwatches never revived.

    22. Re:Watches by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How big are your pockets that you need to fumble for your phone? Do you have wallet, keys, phone, and a bunch of other crap all in the one pocket?

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    23. Re:Watches by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Once again, the simple answer is the right one.

    24. Re:Watches by blang · · Score: 1

      Same, but involuntarily, I developed extremely sensitivity to nickel. and could no longer wear anything on my wrist except gold or titanium. I bought skagen titanium watches, but first one they had used stainless steel for the claps, so it game me a horrible itch, next one the glass broke, and last one the latch broke. That some $300 wasted on low quality Danish junk that looks nice but can't stand up to normal wear. I still look for watches, but they all advertize their material for the face side. The back is usually steel. So have not worn one for many years now. I am sure there will never bee any smart watch that has a back with no metal, or a clasp with no metal.

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    25. Re:Watches by blang · · Score: 1

      Wearing a watch in bed is idiotic. Your skin needs to breathe now and then. Do you wear your shoes to bed as well? You deserve also to wake up with the imprint of the watch on your forehead,.

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    26. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a myth. They made wrist watches in the 16th century.

    27. Re:Watches by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I simply set most notifications to silent and treat them like email, to be looked at when it suits me. The only ones that actually vibrate are ones I wish to read quickly, everyone else has to wait until it is convenient.

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    28. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a company that has already achieved a measure of success with previous smart watches and one would imagine a good deal of profit. Why are people still crowd funding stuff like this, couldn't they raise the capital in some other fashion or, y'know, plough some of those profits into their latest endeavour? What next? Micro$haft crowdfunding Wind'ohs 11? Keep crowdfunding for those who actually need it. /rant

    29. Re:Watches by rhsanborn · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an indictment of the speech, not the technology...

    30. Re:Watches by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      It really depends on the kind of watch band you have and how tight you wear it. If it's something like leather, cloth, or rubber then you definitely should take it off daily. If you have a metallic band and it isn't completely tight against your wrist, then there should be enough air flow around the watch band to not have any problems. If you have a full metal watch, and wear it to bed, and wear it in the shower, then it should remain relatively sanitary, and you really don't ever have to take it off.

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    31. Re:Watches by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 1

      You wear your watch on the arm opposite your handedness so you can manipulate the crown with the correct hand.

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    32. Re:Watches by funkymonkjay · · Score: 2

      Umm... how about that little thing called marketing?

    33. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why we ever moved from pocket watches to wrist watches is a mystery to me.

      Fashion. You've got this beautiful $100k timepiece, so you strap it to your wrist so that everyone can see it and know you are able to afford such thing. Same reason people wear their jeans halfway down their arse, so people can see their expensive underwear.

    34. Re:Watches by Vlado · · Score: 2

      That doesn't really work all that well for lefties.

      I'm a left-handed person and I always wore watches on my left hand. First of all it didn't cause me any problems to do so. Second of all it would be awkward to operate the watch on the right hand, since button-placement is ergonomically better suited for wearing watch on the left hand and operating it with the right one. Try winding a "legacy" analog watch with your left hand, while wearing it on the right one. You can, but it's damn uncomfortable.
      The only alternative is then to wear the watch with wrong-side-up, which isn't any better :-)

    35. Re:Watches by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      it was before this actually... Anglo-Burma wars and Anglo-Boer wars towards the end of the 1800s saw wristwatches become popular with the british millitary officers as they found it difficult to use a pocket watch from the saddle or while trying to shoot a pistol.

    36. Re:Watches by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I work for a living. I would look at my watch at least 20-30 times a day at least as I record my activities so I can bill them to my customer.

      You must not work with computers for a living - I would have the software record the time (date and elapsed for good measure) automatically.

      But I'm lazy.

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    37. Re:Watches by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      sounds cool. does it work iwht iphone?

    38. Re:Watches by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      some of us don't wear pants and it makes it a real pain to dig out our phones (think about this before you respond)

    39. Re:Watches by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      I like keeping my phone in my pocket rather than taking it out 50+ times per day to see if an email or text is trivial or not.

      This. I didn't realize how annoying it actually was until I didn't have to do it anymore. I like my current Pebble 2 quite a bit, and am looking forward to the Pebble 3.

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    40. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same way until my wife got me a Pebble last Christmas. It's so much easier to glance at my wrist than to keep pulling out my phone. I also like the Dislock app over using an unlock that someone will eventually see over my shoulder.

    41. Re: Watches by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not sure if you can reply from the watch on ios. For Android it's a recent addition. Google is your friend, or you can contact their support through the site, they're relatively responsive.

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    42. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I DONT WEAR CLOTHES AND ANYONE THAT DOES IS A FUCKING MORON!

      Why is everyone on the internet so hopelessly and religiously devoted to their own personal choices no matter how minor? I wear a watch to bed sometimes, because mine is a Pebble and vibrates to wake me up.

      This is right up there with which way people put the toilet roll on the rod. It doesn't harm anyone either way. People are ready to burn the heretics and others begin to wonder if maybe wiping their ass with their left hand is a better idea.

    43. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone cant wake me up if the battery is dead, you unemployed clod!

    44. Re:Watches by Grisstle · · Score: 1

      I'm right handed and wear my watch on my right hand, it feels wrong on my left, always has.

    45. Re:Watches by pmontra · · Score: 1

      I also don't understand why people want to handcuff themselves with gadgets. It's been 22 years for me since I freed myself but I understand that everybody makes his own rules :-)

    46. Re:Watches by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Your phone doesn't already have alarm features? Couldn't you use that as your alarm clock and, when turning it off check to see if you need to get up or can sleep in?

      No, it doesn't work that way. See, when the alarm goes off you know you cannot go back to sleep. That's kind of what the alarm is for. So when you turn it off it's always time to get up and never time to sleep in.

      It's when you wake up without the alarm going off you may want to know what time it is, preferably without any fumbling that makes you more alert, nor noises waking partners, dogs, cats or walruses. All I have to do is lift one hand and open one eyelid and blissfully slip back to sleep. Thank you, Omega.

    47. Re:Watches by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Wearing a watch in bed is idiotic. Your skin needs to breathe now and then.

      That's two disjointed statements. Wearing a band that slides the width of the watch up and down makes skin breathing no issue at all. Not wearing an appropriate band is going to cause problems whether you sleep with the watch on or not.

      Do you wear your shoes to bed as well?

      What purpose would it have? Unlike a watch, which does tell the time, also in bed.

      You deserve also to wake up with the imprint of the watch on your forehead,.

      That says a lot more about your sleeping habits than mine.

    48. Re:Watches by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Because you can launch a synchronized attack from the trenches without everyone fumbling to stuff their watch back into a pocket. Then fashion took over.

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    49. Re:Watches by antdude · · Score: 1

      I still prefer watches, but fancy one as in useful like the old school Casio Data Bank 150/300 watches. I wished smartwatches were like those without requiring those big phones.

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    50. Re:Watches by Vlado · · Score: 1

      I don't understand what your point is.
      I'm left handed and I've always carried my watch on the left hand.

    51. Re:Watches by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      As long as you hold your nose when you make a call you'll be grand ;)

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    52. Re:Watches by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      You didn't think before you replied! I'm a lady!

    53. Re:Watches by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      You didn't think before you replied! I'm a lady!

      Well I suppose that smell is more bearable. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    54. Re:Watches by Barny · · Score: 1

      Call me crazy, Mr Anon, but isn't while you are sleeping the BEST time to charge your phone? I know it is mine. When I go to bed, I make sure my alarm is on, my phone's 'block spam' feature is on and I plug it in to my charger. In the morning, I always have full charge and am woken by my alarm.

      I have been using phones for my alarm clocks since my old nokia when I was in university. I have a job, sadly, posting on slashdot isn't it. Goodbye :)

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    55. Re:Watches by Barny · · Score: 1

      You can't? I can always just set my alarm a little later and just close my eyes again. Guess everyone is different.

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    56. Re:Watches by OffTheWallSoccer · · Score: 1

      Same here. I stopped wearing watches because I had allergic reactions to the metal, and for the past 15-20 years I used my cellphone as my watch instead. I don't often need to check the time, and when I do, odds are I'm behind a computer anyway. When I ordered my Pebble, I was a bit concerned because I didn't know how my skin would react to the plastic, but fortunately, the Pebble didn't provoke any reactions.

      You can easily replace the Pebble's watchband, as it is standard 22mm. I hated the original silicone watchband and bought a nice leather one on Amazon for $20. Now the Pebble feels and looks nicer.

  2. Battery life by arth1 · · Score: 0

    Waiting for a 2+ year battery life which is what I expect of my watches.

    1. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need a battery in your watches? Why?

    2. Re:Battery life by markdavis · · Score: 1, Interesting

      >Waiting for a 2+ year battery life which is what I expect of my watches.

      I assume you are joking? A "dumb" watch battery life can't be compared to a smart watch. And if you are seriously waiting for a year year battery life, you will be waiting decades (or longer). Of course, if all you want is time/date and maybe an alarm or stopwatch, then you should be fine with a traditional watch.

      Meanwhile, I have been VERY happy with my Moto 360 and its 2-day battery life. As long as I can reliably get 24 hours, which is extremely easy on the 360, I (and most people) are set.

      The e-ink (and now color e-ink) in the Pebble is what makes it neat and interesting, not the [claimed 1 week] battery life. But I will still choose the 360 over it every time (speed, style, functionality, compatibility, etc).

    3. Re:Battery life by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I assume you are joking? A "dumb" watch battery life can't be compared to a smart watch.

      Why not?
      The smart watches just need to be far more frugal and, dare I say it, smart? Passive NFC powered devices already exist, for example.

      A pacemaker can run 5-10 years on a battery. A wristwatch that mechanically moves hands and dials runs for years on a single battery.
      Saying it can't be done is copping out. It's like saying we could never have an electric car that could go for 300 miles on a charge.
      We can, and we should.

    4. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've got a very nice Tissot watch. It has touch screen, compass (yes it actually turns to point north), barometer, altimeter, stop watch, alarm, thermometer, and both physical hands and a little lcd display, it's also water resistant to 30m and is has a titanium body. (Yes it also does time and date).
      If I want to make calls, check the weather forecast, or interface with other devices, I have a phone in my pocket. (which also does a lot of these functions, and is needed to make the pebble useful anyway).
      Why buy a pebble when I have a rock in my pants.

    5. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waiting for a 2+ year battery life which is what I expect of my watches.

      What people used to expect from a "phone" was a dial tone and long distance service.

      Things change, and I hope you see my point in your invalid comparison.

    6. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the watches with a battery are cheap.

    7. Re:Battery life by risom · · Score: 1

      >>Waiting for a 2+ year battery life which is what I expect of my watches. I> assume you are joking? A "dumb" watch battery life can't be compared to a smart watch. It appearently can, this one claims 8 months: http://www.withings.com/us/wit...

    8. Re:Battery life by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      A dumb watch has a hardware logic circuit to drive a segmented display. A smart watch has a general purpose CPU that has to render the time using a supplied font to the pixels of the display. This might be just a blit from a pre-rendered buffer, so long as the fonts align to the pixel grid. But even with a "paper" screen, the CPU is *always* going to be an order of magnitude more power hungry than a hardware implementation.

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    9. Re:Battery life by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Passive NFC powered devices already exist, for example.

      Radio transmissions obey the inverse square law, so the amount of energy you receive rapidly decreases as distance increases. That's why RFID devices only work at extremely short range, typically less than 2cm. If you wanted to keep your phone in your pocket it would either need to send out extremely powerful transmissions or the watch would need an extremely large antenna to receive enough energy to do anything useful.

      Can't change the laws of physics, captain.

      A pacemaker can run 5-10 years on a battery. A wristwatch that mechanically moves hands and dials runs for years on a single battery.

      You make a very common mistake which is to vastly underestimate the amount of energy required to do those things. Pacemakers and watches only need very, very small amounts of energy to operate, several orders of magnitude lower than is required for Bluetooth or the processing required to generate graphics for a low power display.

      The only way smart watches will ever last for years on a charge is if we develop some currently unimaginably efficient energy storage device. It would have to be based on some pretty exotic physics because nothing we can image as being practical for now could do it. Either that or we discover a way to send subspace messages instead of using radios and it happens to require almost zero energy.

      A few weeks, a month maybe, but not years.

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    10. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Timex Data Link USB smart watch gets 18+ months of battery life. It even displays seconds, which the Pebble is apparently unable to do without tanking the battery life.

    11. Re:Battery life by markdavis · · Score: 1

      That is not a real smart watch. There is no matrix display, no text, graphics, no apps. I wouldn't be able to see my appointments, no notifications, no weather info, no Email, no voice response, no wikipedia lookup, just time.

    12. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A directional antenna might do better (depending on the spread), although it's not easy to do two-way directional transmissions in a small inexpensive form factor. Plus the efficiency would probably be terrible. I don't see it being practical anytime in the near future.

    13. Re:Battery life by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Yes, an individual render operation is always going to be more expensive. But it's not necessary to always update the screen - given that watches are usually held in a specific orientation when being read, you could easily reduce power consumption by an order of magnitude if you only rendered the time when it was actually being read. There's also the possibility of drawing power from the wearer's movement, similar to an automatic.

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  3. Why do they still need kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pebble was already a HUGE success. To continue to exploit kickstarter like that is super douchey. Kickstarter is for getting your project off the ground, not charity.

    1. Re:Why do they still need kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kickstarter is a marketing tool and a money making enterprise for its founders. They will market to you whatever makes them more. Sorry, but your supercool pet project, which is going to save the Earth but nobody cares about will be in the long tail, raising $750 out of the $15,000 you asked for. If you get very lucky, that is.

    2. Re:Why do they still need kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People exploit it for pre-sales too.

  4. Already in it by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Informative

    And quite excited about it. This is essentially the first consumer device with wide appeal that I can think of which will have a color e-paper display. It also comes with better materials than their first watch (which it obviously directly supersedes, unlike the Steel which is classier), especially the Gorilla Glass front, as well as a mic and a new, quite neat UI. The price might be a bit high overall and I'd have wished for a larger screen with less bezel proportionally, but getting the same battery life on a much more dynamic and modern watch is great.

    The fact it's well on its way to beat all previous Kickstarters by a long stretch should be a testament to the fact that yes, people want smartwatches, but not necessarily any sort of smartwatch. For me, Wear devices are automatically out because they have poor battery life and their screen shuts down while inactive on top of being not great to read in the sun. A smartwatch should be usable in all situations a normal watch is, at the very least, and the battery should be long enough that you can make a trip for a few days without worrying about a charger. The Pebble guys seem to have understood this, and it's paying off.

    1. Re:Already in it by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      What I would really like to see if the same colour e-paper available as an SPI-driven module for the maker community (Arduino, Raspberry Pi, etc).

      After watching the Pebble Time video on Kickstarter, I'm wondering why we haven't heard of any advances on colour e-paper in such a long time. The previous colour e-paper displays had weak, almost pastel-like, washed-out colours and had a slow refresh but this new display seems to have amazingly rich colours and a really fast refresh speed.

    2. Re:Already in it by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      I think they've come out and said this can hit around 30 fps without trouble on the Pebble itself. E-paper displays have quietly been improving it seems since that model isn't a special display made just for Pebble (I can't find the post again but someone had dug up a screen which seemed to fit the Time's specs exactly). Thing is, they're still somewhat washed out compared to normal LCD screens and tend to tear easily (this is why the new animations are brilliant, since they all integrate this tearing effect, making it look intended instead). I can see them being used in smartphones at some point, but even then you interact with them in such a different fashion that I think e-paper's shortcomings would become too evident.

      Flip side, e-paper is downright ideal for a watch. I'm frankly surprised there have been so few e-paper smartwatches announced as of yet.

    3. Re:Already in it by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see a bigger, super-widescreen version of this thing. Even with only 64 colours, with the same DPI it would be nice for dynamic arcade cabinet marquees.

      Hell, make them ultra-big and give us the ability to free-form cut three sides and the length of the side with the controller and we could have full-side artwork cut to the profile of the cabinet, too.

      What I wonder is, how much would it cost at those sizes.

    4. Re:Already in it by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      E-Paper != E-Ink

  5. I'm in also by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I also joined in because I want to support the tech of color eInk.

    And I really liked the idea of a UI based on time for a watch, being able to scroll forward or backwards in time...

    It will be really interesting to compare this with the Apple Watch, which I also plan to get. It will be very interesting to see which resonates more with the public - a more polished experience, or a much stronger battery life?

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    1. Re:I'm in also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good to see there are people to whom buying cheap trinkets is a matter of personal pride and sense of achievement. It is because of heroes of conspicuous consumption like yourselves that the capitalism and the global warming are strong, and the rivers in China run in all colors. Keep up the good work, you're what your watch.

  6. Why is this charity? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Every person contributing gets a watch (there are no "supporter only" level tiers in this one). That's not a charity; that's a pre-order.

    I don't see why there's anything wrong with this. Everyone can see enough money is going in that pre-orders will be fulfilled. The company can see that enough pre-orders are in place that they can begin an earlier run of production.

    To me using Kickstarter for a pre-order of a product is LESS "douchey" than putting up a pre-order payment form on your website that is collected immediately but that you have no assurance will ever be fulfilled...

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    1. Re:Why is this charity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What 'assurances' do you get from kickstarter? Does it have a 100% fulfillment track record for all projects?

  7. I love my Garmin by Hackysack · · Score: 1

    I love my Garmin Fenix2. Accurate Heart Rate Sensing, GPS, swim stroke analysis, power meter, plus it keeps time pretty well. 7 Days of Battery Life, 24+ hours of continuous data collection. I'm eagerly looking forward to the Fenix3.

    Prior to that, I'm normally a bit fan of purely analog for the watch.

    1. Re:I love my Garmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Got a fenix 3 on pre-order. The wait is killing me. Guess I should go for a run or something (with my dopey old Garmin GPS).

  8. The assurance is historical by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    There are no "assurances" from Kickstarter (nor should there ever be; that is why the system works).

    The assurance for me as a backer of the Pebble Time comes in the form that (A) they have produced products from a Kickstarter before, combined with (B) each person contributing is paying a realistic sum of money to receive a product, and there are enough people already committed that the production will go forward.

    Supporting every Kickstarter is a matter of risk assessment. I'm just saying that the risk of not getting what is being promised is realistically near zero in this case.

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    1. Re:The assurance is historical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me using Kickstarter for a pre-order of a product is LESS "douchey" than putting up a pre-order payment form on your website that is collected immediately but that you have no assurance will ever be fulfilled...

      There are no "assurances" from Kickstarter

      Man, exactly how many people live in your head and post on /. ?

    2. Re:The assurance is historical by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Read that again - and again and again. Do you even english?

      Did it not strike you that the first sentence is talking about a companies own web page (i.e. not Kickstarter), the second is about Kickstarter? No? Nothing there? Blank stare? Ok then...

      Slashdot - come for the trolls, stay for the amusing lack of reading comprehension!

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  9. Brightness? by xlsior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't help but notice how over-exposed most of the live videos of the actual display are (brightly washed out hand/wrist in the background), which makes me wonder how readable the screen really is without using the backlight...

    (The first generation pebble has a pretty low contrast ratio too, using a Memory LCD screen -- not true e-ink, although it was advertised as such)

    That said, the new model does look interesting.

  10. The difference is tangible by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    In other words, the only thing that makes preordering shit on kickstarter "less douchey" than preordering shit on another random website...

    Is as mentioned; the fact that you can see the level of financial support for pre-orders, and the other aspect is that if there is not enough support they do not get your money. With a pre-order form on any other website when they have collected my money it's much harder to get it back, even if they fail to deliver.

    Why do you continue to deny this simple but significant difference? You seem instead overly obsessed with fluids, which makes little sense as the Pebble Time is water resistant.

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    1. Re:The difference is tangible by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I think I'm not the one who brought up the douche.

      Um, you "think"?????!?!?! It seems like something you would know if you had written.

      Apparently your personal Pebble

      Don't own a Pebble (yet). The Pebble Time is a much more compelling device, with it's Time Stream (or whatever they call it) feature especially interesting since it's something unique to that device, I also like the inherent neutrality of the company supporting both iOS and Android and having a full and at this point well-used SDK.

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    2. Re:The difference is tangible by narcc · · Score: 1

      I had you pegged as Apple iWatch all the way. With the release less than two months away, what is it about the Pebble that's got you wavering?

    3. Re:The difference is tangible by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I'm not wavering; I'm also getting an Apple Watch. Honestly I think both may be useful in different circumstances; possibly the Pebble Time "past/now/future" thing may be a better UI for a watch.

      I want to use both and see which idea ends up working better for me, or even if they just are useful for different things and I use them interchangeably. Lots of people own more than one "real" watch, why can't the same be true for smart watches (well, beyond the obvious drawback of cost - but then a Pebble Time and a low end Apple Watch will cost much less than a single really nice "real" watch).

      Also like I said earlier, I really like eInk and like to support it when I can.

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    4. Re:The difference is tangible by narcc · · Score: 1

      I can dig it. I'm a big fan of eInk as well.

      I'll keep an eye out for any head-to-head comparison post iWatch launch -- the crown bit has piqued my curiosity.

  11. Achievement is real by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Good to see there are people to whom buying cheap trinkets is a matter of personal pride and sense of achievement.

    The achievement is not in the trinket; it is in the advancement of technology generally. I don't care for trinkets, I care for things I buy to be useful tools. It may or may not be, but as a side effect I support color eInk which is a technology I hope spreads to other products because I like the qualities it offers.

    It is because of heroes of conspicuous consumption like yourselves that the capitalism and the global warming are strong

    It is because you do not support eInk and the huge savings in power consumption it offers that global warming is strong. You are by far the greater ecological offender.

    you are what you watch.

    Amusing! Though as you can see the catchiness of the phrase improves substantially by removing the contraction (and fixing the spelling error...). It would actually make a great advertising phrase for some watch trying to convince someone it was more desirable than other watches.

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    1. Re:Achievement is real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is because you do not support eInk and the huge savings in power consumption it offers that global warming is strong. You are by far the greater ecological offender.

      The joke's on you here as well, I'm wearing a watch that doesn't need electricity.

  12. The Other Shoe by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    The joke's on you here as well, I'm wearing a watch that doesn't need electricity.

    A) I'm pretty sure it required electricity to manufacture.

    B) Whatever you are typing on also requires electricity.

    C (most important)) The eco-crime you have committed is not specifically in *a* watch. It is in your failure to support technology which enables a vast worldwide savings of electricity by consumers that were going to have an electric watch one way or another. By backing the further use of iInk I am encouraging tens of millions later on to use the same technology. Your throwback watch help not at all, since the use of it will not convert people to your luddite ways.

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    1. Re:The Other Shoe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A) I'm pretty sure it required electricity to manufacture

      Good to know you think Pebble is made by fairies and involves no electricity and no electronic components, which manufacturing is one of the most polluting industries ever. You're what, 14 and in a school with emphasis on the arts?

      B) Whatever you are typing on also requires electricity.

      Yes, environmental-friendly nuclear, nothing to do with the coal power you're using.

      It is in your failure to support technology which enables a vast worldwide savings of electricity

      [citation_needed] with numbers on the full ecological impact of Pebble watches on the environment, or GTFO. You can GTFO right away, because nothing Pebble does is "supporting technology".

    2. Re:The Other Shoe by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      (A) you missed point C. Remember I said C was the most important.

      (B) Natural gas actually, but it's not like I can build a nuclear reactor myself and again it's not (C). I do promote nuclear power at every opportunity though so I applaud that.

      (C) (still most important) I'm talking future numbers which are inherently unquantifiable until the future becomes present.

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    3. Re:The Other Shoe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember I said C was the most important.

      I'm talking future numbers which are inherently unquantifiable until the future becomes present.

      In other words, you can't justify your crap in any reasonable way, but you think it is important? You must be the master logician in your mom's basement.

      Natural gas actually

      Same thing, global warming. Exactly opposite to what I have.

      you missed point C

      You never made a point that could be missed. See above.

    4. Re:The Other Shoe by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      In other words, you can't justify your crap in any reasonable way

      I already did with point C - you are at this point mis-directing because you feel shame about your eco-crime to future humanity.

      Same thing, global warming.

      But not coal, which was your presumption. Your in admission to admit when you are wrong loses you any points gained by using clean reliable nuclear power.

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    5. Re:The Other Shoe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I already did with point C - you are at this point mis-directing

      No, you didn't, you said "the future will prove me right". That's a misdirection, if there ever was one. ;)

      But not coal, which was your presumption.

      Nope, my presumption was contribution to global warming and pollution, to which your Pebble contributes, and my 1910 Omega doesn't. Check your reading comprehension, you seemed so proud of it, and yet you need to work on it badly. ;)

  13. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are some functional benefits to a wrist watch over a pocket watch such as the ability to tell the time even with your hands full, but really, watches (particularly at the higher end) are more about being a piece of jewelry than funcitonality. Consider the fact that a $10,000 Rolex or Omega automatic is typically substantially less accurate than a $100 Seiko with a quartz yet people still pay the substantial premium. Heck, I've found myself guilty of wearing an automatic watch set to the wrong time because I was in a rush in the morning and wanted to wear the watch for the look.

    There's tons of better, more accurate sources to tell time, but people wear watches anyway. When you start viewing watches as just a piece of socially acceptable (typically male) jewelry, they tend to make much more sense.

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  14. They'll deliver too... by retech · · Score: 0

    Unlike the colossal cluster fuck that is Matchstick TV which is nothing more than a half million dollar bait and switch vaporware.

    Kickstarter should only ever be used for new projects. Established businesses, artists, engineers, etc should not be allowed to sully the waters for people or projects that could legitimately use it.

    1. Re:They'll deliver too... by radish · · Score: 1

      Kickstarter should only ever be used for new projects. Established businesses, artists, engineers, etc should not be allowed to sully the waters for people or projects that could legitimately use it

      So what you're saying is one of the world's most successful smart watch manufacturers, with a healthy cash flow and established production and retail channels shouldn't be using kickstarter to launch their third generation device?

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  15. No by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    Will any of you be jumping on this?

    NO

    Holding out for the Apple Watch?

    NO

    Waiting for wearables to get more capable?

    NO

    I still wear a nice Tag watch, but it is more bling than an essential, I "currently" see no value in a smartwatch over my smartphone which I always have with me anyway and my phone has a much better size screen.

    1. Re:No by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

      I "currently" see no value in a smartwatch over my smartphone

      I agree completely. I also have and love my current (Pebble) smartwatch. It's an accessory, not a replacement.

      I also currently see no value in a bluetooth headset over my smartphone, but I've got one of those too.

  16. Jail by JAnwyl · · Score: 1

    I'm getting ready to go to jail. I say this because someone with a wearable watch is going to use it as a hands free device to talk when I am stuck on some sort of public transport causing me to commit an assault.

    1. Re:Jail by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Say two people are sitting there on a bus having a chat, do you give a shit? I doubt it. Replace one with a device and while it can be vaguely irritating it's really no cause for violence. Chill the fuck out dude.

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    2. Re:Jail by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you are an American, I can understand this sentiment completely. Given the lack of affordable health care, especially psychiatric care (do you have "Poor Impulse Control" tattooed on your forehead?), the penal system is perhaps the best option for getting the help that you clearly need.

      USA! USA!

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  17. e-paper = garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry guy. I know e-paper displays are great for battery life, but they just look like shit. To each his own I guess.

  18. 7 days runtime by mnt · · Score: 1

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:7 days runtime by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      My current Pebble hit 10% charge after 8 days... and that's with a lot of notifications and use.

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  19. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    random: "Hey, you got the time?"
    SlashdotOgre: "Yeah it's exactly... the wrong time."

    That will be a swell date.

  20. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why those Pebble things are useless. They look like something you only bought because you couldn't afford a proper watch.

  21. Processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody know the processor it uses? Read it might be Cortex M4 based, and since original uses an STM chip, does that mean M4F core?

  22. No watch, no phone by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    ask me the time and you will get one of two responses. Daytime or Nighttime depending on the darkness.

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  23. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    That is the problem with a lot of these smart watches. The Pebble is awesome in terms of functionality and battery life (well, compared to other smart watches anyway), but it looks like a cheap digital watch from the 70s, and most other smart watches look like crap. There's a couple of ones that look at least halfway decent: the Moto 360 and LG Urbane are round (which I prefer) with a choice of metal bodies and metal or leather straps. I was disappointed by the appearance of the Apple Watch (square, but at least it's their patented rounded square), though the high-end models look like they might be acceptable.

    But the real problem is that the expected life of these watches simply isn't that long; technology moves too fast for that. Who would spend a couple of thousand on a premium smart watch in a gold case, if you'll want to replace that watch in a few years' time? It would make sense to commit to a case design for a longer term, and allow owners to swap out the electronics every so often.

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  24. So how long will it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new wearable is touting a color e-paper display and microphone for responding to notifications.

    So how long before a controversy (like Samsung's current one concerning its "Smart TVs") is discovered by a security researcher that the company is selling your private conversations to unidentified third parties? First everything started coming with cameras, and the FBI (and other TLAs) granted themselves the power to turn on those cameras for espionage purposes. Now everything is starting to come with microphones for much the same purpose. Wake up people, companies monetizing your every word is not in your best interest.

  25. Lifestream by funkymonkjay · · Score: 1

    https://www.ischool.utexas.edu... This reminded me of this inspiring paper.

  26. As the current owner of a Pebble... by cplusplus · · Score: 1

    ...I was excited to see this, and backed it immediately. My Pebble has changed my use pattern of my phone quite a number of positive ways. I didn't realize how many email notifications, calls, texts, etc. that I was reaching in to my pocket to check and respond to, but could have ignore for a while (or forever). Also, I have Tetris (err... Pebtris) on my wrist! :)

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  27. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Recently, I saw a picture of a diamond-encrusted Apple watch band / case. I'm sure there will be a market for third parties, catering to people with more money than either common sense or fashion sense to 'improve' their smart watch in one way or the other.

    Now that nobody has a 'classical' style computer, case modders have to go somewhere.

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  28. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    Recently, I saw a picture of a diamond-encrusted Apple watch band / case. I'm sure there will be a market for third parties, catering to people with more money than either common sense or fashion sense to 'improve' their smart watch in one way or the other.

    Don't laugh. Turns out custom straps actually are quite important, and it's a mistake many Swiss watchmakers forget about. The fact that Apple provides a wide range from the get go signals other manufacturers to step their game up.

    A horologist's take on the Apple Watch. It's not perfect, and it's still a digital watch, but the Swiss need to get their heads out of their asses, and take a look at what Apple brought to the table because there is genuine improvements Apple did.

    http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/h...

  29. Re:Watches - Jewelry, Not Functionality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pebble Steel. You can even download a watchface that says Rolex!

  30. It's a nice upgrade by Woadan · · Score: 1

    But not a $179 upgrade.

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  31. Kicker Starter Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like the site has gotten Slash Dotted.... they need to upgrade the server from the TRS80 they seem to use

  32. The original Pebble won by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    I was a supporter of the original pebble, and I still love it. I feel no need to replace it with anything else because it already does everything I want. Also, it looks like the new one is slightly bigger, which makes me less interested. However, I support the company, and like their general philosophy -- that the watch should supplement, not replace your phone. I like the 7-day battery life, and the ability to read the thing even in direct sunlight.

    I don't see a strong need for color, but as long as it looks good, I'll support it. I don't see the microphone as an important feature, but maybe I'd use it, I don't know. So yeah, I don't plan on buying one, but neither would I argue against them.

    1. Re:The original Pebble won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't think people are going to be willing to wear a watch that will not make it through the entire day, and let's face it ... the APPLE WATCH is NEVER going to make it through a day. EVER. iphones BARELY make it through the day without obsessively charging .... look at the line of refugees at the airport that are obsessively charging their phones, to the point that people are sitting on the floor plugged into maintenance's outlet for vacuum cleaners.

      The PEBBLE e-ink display is GREAT, and the 7 day battery is what makes this the watch that REALLY kills all other e-watches. That is, until they come out with one that can work for multiple days....Apple, Motorola, Samsung .... they sure don't have that yet.

  33. Poor quality: Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a Pebble steel, lasted all of 2 months of light use until it irreversibly bricked itself.

    And this isn't a one off: check any Pebble forums and you'll find similar tales of woe.

    And as a 'Smart' Watch, frankly it has fewer brains that some Casio watches.

    Single tasking: so it can't handle displaying a clock and running an app that might generate alerts!

    Utterly brain dead.