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Republicans Back Down, FCC To Enforce Net Neutrality Rules

An anonymous reader writes: Republican resistance has ended for the FCC's plans to regulate the internet as a public utility. FCC commissioners are working out the final details, and they're expected to approve the plan themselves on Thursday. "The F.C.C. plan would let the agency regulate Internet access as if it is a public good.... In addition, it would ban the intentional slowing of the Internet for companies that refuse to pay broadband providers. The plan would also give the F.C.C. the power to step in if unforeseen impediments are thrown up by the handful of giant companies that run many of the country's broadband and wireless networks." Dave Steer of the Mozilla Foundation said, "We've been outspent, outlobbied. We were going up against the second-biggest corporate lobby in D.C., and it looks like we've won."

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  1. Bring on the lausuits by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is good news but the deed isn't done until Comcast, TWC, AT&T, and Verizon are defeated in court.

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    1. Re:Bring on the lausuits by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. It ain't over yet. The devil is in the details and these court battles are going to decide the details.

    2. Re:Bring on the lausuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only time the "people" win is when the Federal Government does not regulate. Regulation is strangulation and, ultimately, death.

      I guess by "people" (with quotation marks) you mean corporations.

      Yes, let's not have any rules or oversight on "people" who were born in a lawyer's office, can potentially live forever, are motivated purely by greed, and will gladly break the law when it suits them. What could possibly go wrong?

    3. Re:Bring on the lausuits by matbury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dave Steer of the Mozilla Foundation said, "We've been outspent, outlobbied. We were going up against the second-biggest corporate lobby in D.C., and it looks like we've won."

      Mmm... why are the only asking the "little guys" for statements in support of net neutrality. The whole fiasco has been a power struggle between two groups of corporate giants from the start. Those who profit from providing the infrastructure (telecoms) and those who profit from using the infrastructure (content providers). The winners here are Google, Microsoft, Apple Inc., Netflix, etc. and now they don't have to pay even more of their share of the profits to the telecoms monopolies. The US public just happen, by sheer coincidence, to be on the winning side.

    4. Re:Bring on the lausuits by Cantankerous+Cur · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up

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  2. Sounds good by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds good-- but I wonder just what form that regulation will take, and what level of regulatory capture will emerge.

    The republicans gave up too easily. Look how long and drawn out their battle against Obamacare was. In comparison, this measure seems to have been abandoned without much fight. I can't help but wonder why.

    1. Re:Sounds good by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wasn't ALL republicans. I am a pretty hard core republican, but I wanted net neutrality from the start.

      Republican is a party, it's not a belief system. If you're not aligned with the republican leadership, then you're not a hard core republican.

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    2. Re:Sounds good by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see a few main reasons:

      1) BECAUSE Obamacare was such a long drawn out fight which they ultimately lost. I think that's gotta be a bit demotivational.
      2) They want to focus on the immigration fight right now, because their voters actually understand that one.
      3) It is just possible that opposing net neutrality is so stupid even Republicans could figure out it was stupid.

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    3. Re:Sounds good by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Regulatory capture is a form of corruption. What you want is regulation without corruption.

      With no regulations, worse abuses than regulation capture occurs: domination by oligarchy who abuse consumers and smaller players. With no recourse. Because there's no regulations. And there's no magic free market fairy who fixes things another way.

      It's important to note this because there persists this economically ignorant nonsense that regulations cause problems. No, corruption causes problems. Regulations are the only way you get any fairness.

      We need to fight *corruption* not *government* on the issue of regulation. I do not love government, but when it comes to markets, government regulation is the only thing that keeps the playing field fair so the magic of capitalism (efficiency via competition) can work.vMeanwhile, an unregulated marketplace left to itself becomes abusive.

      There unfortunately persists this quasireligious faith based economic illiteracy in the USA, on the same intellectual level as creationism and antivaxxers, that unregulated marketplaces are magically free and fair because magic.

      1. unregulated marketplaces: hell

      2. corrupt government (regulatory capture, rent seeking parasites, oligarchy): hell

      3. truly fair government regulation: the only way capitalism can work. without a fair playing field with referees, there is no fair game of capitalism. players cheat

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    4. Re:Sounds good by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A "republican" holds a political ideology. A "Republican" is associated with the party.

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    5. Re:Sounds good by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The monopolies already existed, and were already protected. The only difference was that before, they were allowed to have their cake and eat it too. We're actually going from the "monopoly without regulation" state to the "monopoly with regulation" state, which is a strict improvement.

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    6. Re:Sounds good by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You say that, but you have no idea what they are about to do.

      Don't you wonder why they don't release the proposed regulations? Not even a bit curious?

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    7. Re:Sounds good by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The party is pretty fractured, and there is a lot of dissent.

      But who are ya gonna put forth? Your primary was selecting for kooks. At various times, Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann,, Herman Cain, Rick Perry were your top pollers, and hopeful whispers about Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, and other kooks.

      Your elected officials signed a prom promise to Grover Norquist, who last time I checked was not an elected official or could make anyone bow to his wishes.

      And it looks like they are going to do it again. At the Iowa convention recently, it was more of the same. Out comes Trump, and then th idealogical heart and soul of the party comes out, and treats us to an incoherent rant - This was a woman who Republicans put forward as Presidential material.

      And how soon we forget that the party has been making efforts to unseat moderate Republicans, to replace them with politically correct candidates. And yes this is why I haven't voted Republican for a long time, and a lot of us don't. A political party that thinks that it's continued adoration of Sarah Palin will attract anyone who can think , simply isn't going to get the vote of anyone who actually thinks once in a while, and just isn't lving on hate.

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    8. Re:Sounds good by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I certainly don't like most of your list, but all of them "kooks?" The choice of Sarah Pailin made my choice to vote third party pretty easy, but if you think they are all kooks then there is no one the republicans can pick that you will not call a "kook." You're simply being a blinded partisan.

      I'm a registered independent who voted mostly Republican until the mid nineties. Partisan? Nah. Just paying attention.

      The only person I would drop off that list if pressured would be Herman Cain. I get the impression that he's actually a likeable guy I could have an intelligent conversation with.The rest of them have severe baggage issues:

      Santorum - a baffling preoccupation with anal sex.

      Palin - just baffling - at this point, I'm beggining to think she is ill or something.

      Bachmann - another person whose speech is fascinating in the wrong way. She strikes me as a nice person with weird beliefs.

      Trump - His fixation with the current occupant's birth certificate requires a belief in precognition, and probably time machines. Not good leadership material.

      Huckabee - probably a decent person, but his association with Fox News sinks him.

      Perry - Just a belief structure I cannot stand. I was raised in a Strict Catholic household, with Fundamentalist grandparents. I know firsthand what the religious right will do to you if they get their hands on you. And it ain't pretty.

      Which is why we recently ended up with McCain, and then Romney. Both were more or less electable, and would have probably done a passable job, but were saddled with toeing the party line, as shaped by the primary process. And as you note, Palin's inclusion on the ticket with McCain really sunk him.

      As for me? Jesus Christ, I miss Barry Goldwater.

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  3. Re:Congratulations by MichaelMacDonald · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering that Net Neutrality is how the internet was run from day 1, I don't think there will be a problem.

  4. I hope this wasn't a trojan horse by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of people are gleeful about the FCC stepping in to shut down the nonsense from the likes of Comcast. However, those same people forget that this is the same government has demonstrated an indifference to due process, personal privacy, and basically just does whatever it wants whenever it wants... and if you complain you'll just get stonewalled until you die of old age.

    The internet has been largely unregulated and that has been a really good thing. Most of the growth and innovation we've seen has happened there. With the FCC stepping in to regulate it, we should consider what happened to other industries they've regulated.

    Look at radio and broadcast TV. Notice the innovation and dynamic response to changing circumstances? Me neither.

    The issue is that it always starts out with good intentions. But ultimately they start spelling out what you're allowed to do and not do in extreme detail to such an extent that you can't do anything that they haven't thought of... and that means you can't change because it is literally illegal.

    I hope I'm wrong. But this could be the beginning of the end of the internet as we've known it.

    What is more... when the FCC starts regulating the hell out of it... we can expect the likes of China and the EU to be right behind the US... the whole network will clap down on itself.

    Hopefully some measure of freedom can survive in the deep web but I imagine they'll make that illegal at some point if only because it tends to draw the drug dealers and pedophiles.

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    1. Re:I hope this wasn't a trojan horse by Karmashock · · Score: 1, Insightful

      1. The system has run under the assumption of net neutrality to a certain extent, however there has always been prioritized communications. What I'm talking about are mostly QoS issues. If a network gets congested, then I'm going to try and prioritize some communications. Lets say someone has a VoIP call going and you're trying to download emails. Who gets hurt more if I slow someone down? Obviously it makes sense to slow down email and websites before I slow down VoIP or video streaming.

      2. You are correct that there have been some abuses, however those are caused by a lack of competition. Verizon etc are not able to play these games in environments where the customer can shift away from them in an instant to get superior service. Increasing the regulations merely makes their monopolies more secure by increasing the regulation that any ISP especially a new ISP must comply with to remain within the law. If I wanted to set up a small ISP for a small community... you're telling me on top of everything else that I have to read all this crap and comply with it. You're not helping anyone with that shit.

      3. Your qualifications forget how the patriot act was used, how the civil forfeiture policy was used, and how the RICO act is used. Just because they use it one way doesn't mean they won't use it another later. By your own hair splitting you're showing how things will be in the future. They'll hair split too when that becomes convenient. When they want to do something, they'll find some connection in the law that lets them justify their actions and then do it. We're opening the door for that. You say they won't regulate the internet but you admit they're going to control the gate keeper to the internet. By regulating that they can control you. You don't think your gate keeper can't know everything about you? Every time you request a website or check an email... it goes through them. And you've just put them a bit farther under the thumb of the Federal government.

      4. Clearly spelling out the rules today doesn't mean that they won't muddy the rules two minutes later or reinterpret clear rules to mean something else. Consider the US constitution... fairly clear and direct document and yet people are trying to misinterpret it all the time because they're too cowardly or dishonest to challenge it in a constitutional convention.

      5. As to china and the EU, so your argument is that we might as well just go hog wild with fucking up the internet? Fine. Light it all on fire I guess. I just too stupid to realize that everything worth saving had already been destroyed I guess.

      As to you correcting me... Literally every correction you had there was either a half truth or completely wrong... so... you can jam your corrections up your ass sideways... and twist it. :-)

      I'll wait.

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  5. Re:Congratulations by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Net Neutrality is not a policy despite your attempt to make it one by capitalizing it. And what they're proposing is a set of regulations; not the absence of all regulation. The FCC has already introduced the regs; they comprise 300 pages of new rules. That is certainly not how the Internet was run "from Day 1."

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  6. Re:The real problem by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >The same one that dictated the IRS to audit and kill off as many tea party people and groups as it can while not doing the same to leftist orgs.

    Actually, I never got why that was an issue. Republicans mostly support profiling by law enforcement when it's based on race and religion. Why should it not be based on publicly stated philosophical beliefs then ?
    Tea-party groups were vocally anti-taxation, this makes them prime profiling targets for the tax-man to double-check, by their own public statements they are highly likely to have cheated on their taxes.

    Much more so than the leftwing organisations who tend to defend the services that taxes pay for.

    Why is it okay to do extra checks on Muslims at airports, or to stop cars driven by black people 6 times more often than white people - but not to check anti-tax-lobby-groups' tax records more thoroughly ?

    Of course, the leftwing VOTERS who oppose all profiling would agree that tax-man profiling is bad too, but I don't get why rightwingers think they have a right to complain about that at all. They DEFENDED profiling, until it happened to them - and they they continued to defend it for everybody EXCEPT them.
    Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it to. If you back off from the idea (which to my mind flows logically from "equal before the law") that NOBODY should be under additional suspicion based on their race or religion, then you have ALSO backed of from the idea that they shouldn't be under additional suspicion based on the political beliefs.

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  7. Re:Congratulations by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those 300 pages of regulations codify how the internet has always been. These regulations were necessary becasue the ISPs embarked on a new plan to squeeze content providers. They wanted to be paid both by the subscriber and by the content providers. But by nature these ISPs are utilities because they rely on access to the public domain in the form of conduits, telephone poles, street rights-of-way, and municipal owned fiber. Bu using Title II regulation, the FCC ensures that competitors like Google Fiber will have the same access to the public domain assests. That is the only way to have competition for the last mile of the network.

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  8. Re:The real problem by dywolf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    misrepresent and misunderstand what is happening (it's not a bill)? check
    mention page length along with a statement and implication of ulterior motives? check
    mention the IRS non scandal? check
    hyperbole and fear monger? check
    hypothesize in direct contradiction to what is actually known ("im just asking?")? check
    complete ignorance of the role of independent regulatory agencies and their authority? check
    complete and total ignorance? big check

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  9. Re:Look Out in the Tent! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I said the same thing. Shortsightedness because it gains you temporarily what you want, never works in the long run.

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  10. Re:The real problem by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But you can't defend one and not the other.
    Opposing both is logically consistent but the rightwingers have been defending one.

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  11. Oh, please. by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look. The only reason you wouldn't be able to keep your insurance that the ACA could even *vaguely* be named responsible for is if it was so bad that it didn't meet the minimum standards of the ACA, and your insurance company didn't upgrade the policy accordingly -- most likely, they cancelled it in favor of new policies that *did* meet the minimum requirements. The whole *point* of the ACA was to see to it that people were *sufficiently* insured.

    Otherwise, the only reasons you would lose your current insurance would be if the insurance company cancelled your policy -- and in that case, the blame lands squarely on the insurance company; or your employer decided to take the opportunity to cut your benefits and blame it on the ACA. In that case, look to your employer.

    As for your doctor, the only ACA-related reason you might not be able to keep your doctor is if they don't bother to register with the pool you chose -- and all you have to do there is tell your doctor which one it is. And if they fail to register, you can blame your doctor. My doctor did the right thing, and she's still my doctor. I specifically asked, and she said there was almost nothing to it.

    Now, let's look this issue right in the face. Are there conditions where you couldn't keep your doctor? Sure. For instance, if your doctor got run over by a bus. Or retired. Or committed suicide. Or moved to Botswana. Or switched jobs. So "Obama lied", right? But of course, if you're a sane person and not trying to shill your way through a bout of Obama-hate, you would understand that there will be some exceptions, and generally, they're going to be related to the doctor's circumstance -- just as the bus incident would be. Because there isn't one damn thing in the ACA that says "this here doctor can't be used."

    As with the previous poster, my circumstances were enormously improved by the ACA. I did get to keep my doctor (it was no problem at all, she just did a little paperwork, that was it) and my coverage is now excellent.

    Is everything perfect? No. Republicans are blocking the medicaid expansion here, so many no- and low-income individuals who were intended to be covered by the ACA, aren't. While this goes on, the taxes we paid here to cover them go to another state as the already-allocated funds are disbursed elsewhere. Consequently, our medical and insurance costs here are rising because we are paying the hospitals for uncompensated care for people who should have been covered, and for which the funds were already allocated.

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