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Republicans Back Down, FCC To Enforce Net Neutrality Rules

An anonymous reader writes: Republican resistance has ended for the FCC's plans to regulate the internet as a public utility. FCC commissioners are working out the final details, and they're expected to approve the plan themselves on Thursday. "The F.C.C. plan would let the agency regulate Internet access as if it is a public good.... In addition, it would ban the intentional slowing of the Internet for companies that refuse to pay broadband providers. The plan would also give the F.C.C. the power to step in if unforeseen impediments are thrown up by the handful of giant companies that run many of the country's broadband and wireless networks." Dave Steer of the Mozilla Foundation said, "We've been outspent, outlobbied. We were going up against the second-biggest corporate lobby in D.C., and it looks like we've won."

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  1. Bring on the lausuits by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is good news but the deed isn't done until Comcast, TWC, AT&T, and Verizon are defeated in court.

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    1. Re:Bring on the lausuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only time the "people" win is when the Federal Government does not regulate. Regulation is strangulation and, ultimately, death.

      I guess by "people" (with quotation marks) you mean corporations.

      Yes, let's not have any rules or oversight on "people" who were born in a lawyer's office, can potentially live forever, are motivated purely by greed, and will gladly break the law when it suits them. What could possibly go wrong?

  2. Sounds good by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds good-- but I wonder just what form that regulation will take, and what level of regulatory capture will emerge.

    The republicans gave up too easily. Look how long and drawn out their battle against Obamacare was. In comparison, this measure seems to have been abandoned without much fight. I can't help but wonder why.

    1. Re:Sounds good by w3woody · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm also concerned partially because at its root, the problem with broadband in this country is a lack of local choice. I believe competition (such as Google Fiber) going up against the phone company and the cable company would help lower prices while raising speeds far better than regulation that explicitly acknowledges monopoly status and exchanges (easily watered down) performance demands for guaranteed profit margins on (easily manipulable) books. I mean, the real problem with explicit acknowledgement of monopoly status is an implicit guarantee that the phone company and the cable company may not fail--and if they make poor infrastructure investment choices, they're insulated from failure.

      I'm not suggesting this can't work. Only that there are a bunch of ways in which this can go haywire, so to me, the FCC's actions is simply the first step in a very long battle.

    2. Re:Sounds good by halivar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Huh? No, all Republicans hate Republican leadership. We call them "The Establishment" and wonder how the hell Boehner and McConnell get reelected. We were pretty giddy about collecting Eric Cantor's scalp, though. See, party leadership manipulates primaries and "crowns" our candidates for us. Romney, McCain, Dole, even GWB were the least liked of all candidates in their respective years. The problem is the "Anybody but X" crowd never settles on one person, so the leasst-liked guy with the plurality of votes gets the nomination. The party is pretty fractured, and there is a lot of dissent.

    3. Re:Sounds good by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Regulatory capture is a form of corruption. What you want is regulation without corruption.

      With no regulations, worse abuses than regulation capture occurs: domination by oligarchy who abuse consumers and smaller players. With no recourse. Because there's no regulations. And there's no magic free market fairy who fixes things another way.

      It's important to note this because there persists this economically ignorant nonsense that regulations cause problems. No, corruption causes problems. Regulations are the only way you get any fairness.

      We need to fight *corruption* not *government* on the issue of regulation. I do not love government, but when it comes to markets, government regulation is the only thing that keeps the playing field fair so the magic of capitalism (efficiency via competition) can work.vMeanwhile, an unregulated marketplace left to itself becomes abusive.

      There unfortunately persists this quasireligious faith based economic illiteracy in the USA, on the same intellectual level as creationism and antivaxxers, that unregulated marketplaces are magically free and fair because magic.

      1. unregulated marketplaces: hell

      2. corrupt government (regulatory capture, rent seeking parasites, oligarchy): hell

      3. truly fair government regulation: the only way capitalism can work. without a fair playing field with referees, there is no fair game of capitalism. players cheat

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    4. Re:Sounds good by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually I do know what they are about to do. The FCC released a 4 page summary of what the regulations were going to accomplish earlier this month. Just because you have no idea what's going on doesn't mean the rest of us are as uninformed.

      http://transition.fcc.gov/Dail...

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  3. Re:Congratulations by MichaelMacDonald · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering that Net Neutrality is how the internet was run from day 1, I don't think there will be a problem.

  4. I hope this wasn't a trojan horse by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of people are gleeful about the FCC stepping in to shut down the nonsense from the likes of Comcast. However, those same people forget that this is the same government has demonstrated an indifference to due process, personal privacy, and basically just does whatever it wants whenever it wants... and if you complain you'll just get stonewalled until you die of old age.

    The internet has been largely unregulated and that has been a really good thing. Most of the growth and innovation we've seen has happened there. With the FCC stepping in to regulate it, we should consider what happened to other industries they've regulated.

    Look at radio and broadcast TV. Notice the innovation and dynamic response to changing circumstances? Me neither.

    The issue is that it always starts out with good intentions. But ultimately they start spelling out what you're allowed to do and not do in extreme detail to such an extent that you can't do anything that they haven't thought of... and that means you can't change because it is literally illegal.

    I hope I'm wrong. But this could be the beginning of the end of the internet as we've known it.

    What is more... when the FCC starts regulating the hell out of it... we can expect the likes of China and the EU to be right behind the US... the whole network will clap down on itself.

    Hopefully some measure of freedom can survive in the deep web but I imagine they'll make that illegal at some point if only because it tends to draw the drug dealers and pedophiles.

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    1. Re:I hope this wasn't a trojan horse by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The internet has been largely unregulated and that has been a really good thing. Most of the growth and innovation we've seen has happened there."

      This is not regulation of the Internet, but regulation of the means by which the Internet is accessed.

      There are more than a few comparable regulatory actions which helped create the growth of the Internet. Significantly, there was the Carterphone action, which allowed modems to be connected to the Bell network, against their wishes. There was also state regulation of the Bells, which prevented them from charging exorbitant rates for those modem connections. There are the common carrier regulations, by which telco providers receive free or very low cost access to public rights-of-way, avoiding the costs of negotiating and renting land wherever they run their lines. Similarly with cable - they're given access to public rights of way and a monopoly position in exchange for being subject to regulation.

      If any of them want to build out services entirely in the free market without making use of public resources, negotiating and paying for all access rights, then I'll support that service being unregulated.

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  5. hate to dive headfirst into politics. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know its rather offtopic, but for non-US readers its relevant:
    For anyone confused as to the situation of american politics in the past 8 years, the republican party has worked tirelessly to obstruct practically every piece of legislation after the ACA (healthcare legislation.) Theyve played a brinksmanship game with an artificially imposed budget limit, ironically created by them as a kudgel to complain about $cur_president's spending policies but with real power. This "debt ceiling" has been used twice to literally shut down the government. Mail didnt run, troops werent paid, contractors were furloughed, the FCC FTC and even the FDA were all deactivated not once, but twice in a bid to force the presidents hand to concede his high ground and allow their minority legislation to pass. this nihilism cost us 2 credit ratings and an estimated 24 billion dollars. Republicans gained nothing.

    fast forward to 2015 when both our houses of legislature, the senate and congress, are now controlled by a gerrymandered republican electorate. The president is on his last term, something we call 'lame duck' and is now openly advocating for everything from free education to immigration reform policies. Republicans, with this control, still havent proposed an alternative to any legislation facing them, and wont even vote on major issues like campaign finance reform or immigration. whats worse, theyre still operating in a 2010 mindset of obstruct and destroy, so we're facing another brinksmanship game in which they threaten to stop funding for the Department of Homeland Security. about 240,000 employees would go unpaid, but be required to work, and every airport in the nation would likely experience a significant impact. Random government shutdowns have major repercussions in world markets that rely on a confident and reliable american government to back things like currencies and bonds.

    so for republicans to back down on net neutrality is a serious step forward in a party that generally toes every corporate lobbyists hard line. Remember: theyre the party that apologized for inconveniencing BP during the largest oil spil in recent american history, and yet at this moment have conceeded to the will of the public.

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  6. Re:The real problem by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >The same one that dictated the IRS to audit and kill off as many tea party people and groups as it can while not doing the same to leftist orgs.

    Actually, I never got why that was an issue. Republicans mostly support profiling by law enforcement when it's based on race and religion. Why should it not be based on publicly stated philosophical beliefs then ?
    Tea-party groups were vocally anti-taxation, this makes them prime profiling targets for the tax-man to double-check, by their own public statements they are highly likely to have cheated on their taxes.

    Much more so than the leftwing organisations who tend to defend the services that taxes pay for.

    Why is it okay to do extra checks on Muslims at airports, or to stop cars driven by black people 6 times more often than white people - but not to check anti-tax-lobby-groups' tax records more thoroughly ?

    Of course, the leftwing VOTERS who oppose all profiling would agree that tax-man profiling is bad too, but I don't get why rightwingers think they have a right to complain about that at all. They DEFENDED profiling, until it happened to them - and they they continued to defend it for everybody EXCEPT them.
    Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it to. If you back off from the idea (which to my mind flows logically from "equal before the law") that NOBODY should be under additional suspicion based on their race or religion, then you have ALSO backed of from the idea that they shouldn't be under additional suspicion based on the political beliefs.

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  7. Re:Congratulations by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those 300 pages of regulations codify how the internet has always been. These regulations were necessary becasue the ISPs embarked on a new plan to squeeze content providers. They wanted to be paid both by the subscriber and by the content providers. But by nature these ISPs are utilities because they rely on access to the public domain in the form of conduits, telephone poles, street rights-of-way, and municipal owned fiber. Bu using Title II regulation, the FCC ensures that competitors like Google Fiber will have the same access to the public domain assests. That is the only way to have competition for the last mile of the network.

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  8. Re:Congratulations by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh look, yet another low info voter.

    Gigi Sohn, a special counsel for Wheeler, said the text of the actually net neutrality rules are only 8 pages. She said the other pages responds to the millions of public comments, "as required by law."

    https://twitter.com/GigiBSohnF...

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  9. Re:Congratulations by butlerm · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are only eight pages of new rules. The rest is explanation, history, legal justification, and commentary. More here: http://e-pluribusunum.com/2015...