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The Peculiar Economics of Developing New Antibiotics

HughPickens.com writes Every year at least two million people are infected with bacteria that can't be wiped out with antibiotics but the number of F.D.A.-approved antibiotics has decreased steadily in the past two decades. Now.Ezekiel J. Emanuel writes at the NYT that the problem with the development of new antibiotics is profitability. "There's no profit in it, and therefore the research has dried up, but meanwhile bacterial resistance has increased inexorably and there's still a lot of inappropriate use of antibiotics out there," says Ken Harvey. Unlike drugs for cholesterol or high blood pressure, or insulin for diabetes, which are taken every day for life, antibiotics tend to be given for a short time so profits have to be made on brief usage. "Even though antibiotics are lifesaving, they do not command a premium price in the marketplace," says Emanuel. "As a society we seem willing to pay $100,000 or more for cancer drugs that cure no one and at best add weeks or a few months to life. We are willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for knee surgery that, at best, improves function but is not lifesaving. So why won't we pay $10,000 for a lifesaving antibiotic?"

Emanuel says that we need to use prize money as an incentive. "What if the United States government — maybe in cooperation with the European Union and Japan — offered a $2 billion prize to the first five companies or academic centers that develop and get regulatory approval for a new class of antibiotics?" Because it costs at least $1 billion to develop a new drug, the prize money could provide a 100 percent return — even before sales. "From the government perspective, such a prize would be highly efficient: no payment for research that fizzles. Researchers win only with an approved product. Even if they generated just one new antibiotic class per year, the $2-billion-per-year payment would be a reasonable investment for a problem that costs the health care system $20 billion per year." Unless payers and governments are willing to provide favorable pricing for such a drug, the big companies are going to focus their R&D investments in areas like cancer, depression, and heart disease where the return-on-investments are much higher.

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  1. Yah, I think raising antibiotic prices sounds bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, that bottle of antibiotics is $10,000. Now make sure you take every pill so resistance doesn't have a chance to take hold. Wait, you're just taking them until you're better and then selling them to people on the street?

  2. Because capitalism, idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is structural. The problem is American capitalism. Medicine should not be a profit-driven industry.

    You think the US Government itself couldn't set up an R&D arm to develop that same drug for less than a 1000% profit? Socialism is the ONLY answer to the problem of access to medicine.

    1. Re:Because capitalism, idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet, no socialist country all over the world produces such a thing. Wonder why that could be ...

    2. Re:Because capitalism, idiots. by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ha ha ha ha! In the USSR we invented 4 or 5 antibiotics over the life of the country (a country that lasted for 69 or 74 years, depends on how you count) and it was complete and total socialism and of-course it was complete and total failure. How many antibiotics did they invent in Cuba exactly? North Korea?

      American capitalism in 19th century American Free Market is actually what created cheap accessible and effective medical and pharma systems as for profit businesses and for the last 100 years American socialism/fascism have been destroying everything that was done.

    3. Re:Because capitalism, idiots. by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the 19th century, people were still taking blue mass (mercury) to treat miasms (bad vapors thought to cause sickness).

      It wasn't until the 20th century that actual useful medicine got started, but the big blockbusters, sulfa drugs and penicillin came from Germany and France respectively. Meanwhile, the "American Free Market" gave us radium water and the deadly Elixir sulfanilamide.

      So go ahead and wash your anti-freeze down with radioactive waste while the rest of us look for an actual solution.

    4. Re:Because capitalism, idiots. by jiriw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This (for quite a part) USED to be government work. Half/3 quarters of a a century ago, at least. Research, also into medicine, was university sponsored work and universities mainly got sponsored by government (at least in large swaths of Europe.... don't know how it was in the '50's/60's/70's in the U.S.A.) However in, 'first world' nations, those that actually 'have/had' resources to develop new drugs, things got privatized, subsidies got cut down because government spending had to be cut down because of .... because Republican/Liberals/howeveryouwanttonameit. Result: Drugs are left to the market and so only what the market sees as profitable gets developed.

      Perfect, if you really like it that way, and according to election results, a lot of people in the developed nations think it's all roses (pun intended).
      I'm not someone wanting everything and our lives state owned but I do vote socialist. Just because I see, time and again (and I'm not even fourty...), things the free market can not solve. Even in a 'perfect' capitalist system. Which, I'm afraid, we have not one of, in this world.

      Public transport, Medicine, Communications/utilities/transportation infrastructure (emphasis on infrastructure, not services), Fundamental research/sciences, Nature development...
      Some things you should do as a community, others you should leave to the free market.

      And be damned, pay your f*cking taxes, all of you! Also the rich. Yes, I'm looking to you too. You should get enjoyment from living in a country where things are arranged properly. Your investments are worth double if you don't have to fear the troubles that come when a significant part of your fellow human beings live below the poverty line. Your spending into security should be insignificant in a well managed nation... How much extra does that dwelling in a gated community cost you? Talk about living in a cage...

    5. Re:Because capitalism, idiots. by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      First, the 19th century is the years between 1800 and 1899. In the 19th century, they had no effective medicine. They were still bloodletting. They could amputate limbs, although the patients often died of infection. I think you mean the 20th century, which is the years between 1900 and 1999. We are now in the 21st century.

      Second, America never had a cheap, accessible free market capitalist system. I don't know where you get your ideas from. I live here, I work in the health care system, and I know the history and problems with the American health care system.

      At the beginning of the 20th century, doctors couldn't do much. If you were shot in the leg, and the leg was infected, they could cut it off, and your chance of survival would go up from zero to maybe 50%. If you had heart disease, they couldn't do much to extend your life. If you had cancer they could give you morphine.

      Things were going along like that without much progress until WWII, where the U.S. government (not free market capitalism) systematically studied the problems and came up with innovative new ways of handling surgery. Penicillin (from Alexander Flemming in England, an academic researcher) was a big breakthrough. Adriamycin, the first cancer drug, was discovered on -- guess where -- the Adriatic sea, by Italians.

      The U.S. was a center of tremendous innovation after WWII, not because of free market capitalism, but because the U.S. government funded academic researchers, who provided a lot of the basic research that the private drug companies took and made money out of. The area with the most dramatic progress was heart disease, and much of the important research was done by the U.S. government's Veterans Affairs hospitals.

      After WWII, there were private doctors, but people who couldn't afford their prices went to government hospitals, which were scattered around the country. What reason would capitalist doctors have to treat people who can't afford to pay a lot of money? By the 1980s, when doctors could finally do something useful, they got very expensive. People who can't afford health care are left to die http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...

  3. I'll tell my insurance company to get right on it. by swschrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congress might fund NIH, if they could agree on anything, including whether to have Coke or Pepsi in the Senate Dining Room.

    the immediate beneficiaries would be medical insurance companies, but the short-term is all they think about. if they say NO! now, they don't have to say NO! a thousand times, ten thousand times, when somebody is rotting out from infection by the minute and a doctor tries to prescribe a new $10,000 antibiotic.

    if we had single-payer insurance, and ponied up along with the other developed nations, all of which are single-payer, a share of the prize, we might get someplace. I like the idea, but not its chances.

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  4. It's a self-correcting problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If antibiotic development wanes long enough, eventually some rich people will be threatened by new infections for which there are no cures.

    Once that happens, antibiotic development will instantly become a top priority for governance and major industry players.

    1. Re:It's a self-correcting problem. by hawkfish · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If antibiotic development wanes long enough, eventually some rich people will be threatened by new infections for which there are no cures.

      Once that happens, antibiotic development will instantly become a top priority for governance and major industry players.

      And how many of us proles have to die before our lords and masters decide to piss some new antibiotics into our water supplies for us to use?

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  5. Problem: breeding multiresistentcies brings money by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Informative

    The main point where multiresistencies are created is animals. When we give them antibiotics in order to enable "storing" them even denser, we enlarge the contact between patogen and antibiotics by a huge factor.
    Our greed for cheap meat has brought us to the point where we destroy our own hardly-won victories against illnesses. And, the current system unfortunately even rewards you if you apply your antibiotics for animals -- by giving you money.

  6. Correction by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Antibiotics are profitable, even new ones. They're just not obscenely profitable compared to barely useful hair pills and boner pills.

    It's too easy now for them to make money hand over fist for drugs that turn out to not even be helpful. It's killed their incentive to do something useful for a fair profit.

  7. Address the cause by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The main reason why its insanely expensive is the approval process. Of course big pharma does not want the cost reduced, as it prevents new netrans to their cosy cartel, and America effectively enforces this worldwide.

    Once an alternative approval process with sufficent credibility gets going, the story will change very fast.

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  8. Because Bureaucracy, stupid. by sycodon · · Score: 3, Informative

    We can't make any decision until we see past the government/Medical bureaucracy and get complete audit of those "costs".

    The Medical Industry is completely opaque when it comes to costs. They are shifted from one area of the business to another, they are obfuscated by accounting gimmicks, government regulations, and insurance practices. Of course that's all par for the course. But before you make policy decisions, you have to know the truth...what's driving the costs. there is no reason all thee issues can't be pushed back in an audit and reveal the truth. Changing the practices can only come after the causes are revealed.

    I bet many would be surprised at the answers.

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    1. Re:Because Bureaucracy, stupid. by pepty · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you can pull those same numbers for other companies and find that as an industry Pharma spends more on R&D than any other as a percentage of revenue. Sure, Google and Intel beat them but they are the outliers of the tech world, not the average.

  9. The free market does not solve everything by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In fact the free market is most probably the culprit with overusage of antibiotic for cattle and chicken rising. In this case though, public research should be here the solution. Yes sometimes the free market is not the solution, but rather public pooled resource, call it socialist or whatnot. Just like you would not want to have fire service be private, sometimes some research area need to be public too.

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  10. Simple Solution: Use the patent system by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the US wants pharma to develop new classes of antibiotics then the simplest method is to extend the patent from 20 to 30 years **providing that the drug qualifies as an antibiotic**.

    This has the effect of a) incentivising pharma to spend on research in these classes of drugs and b) discouraging widespread abuse by disallowing generic implementations for at least a generation.

    Job done! Next?

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  11. Re:No wonder by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should check what you're swimming in first. You'd be surprised how many expensive treatments you can get in America that are denied in Canada because they've been shown to make things worse or to have no effect at all.

  12. Re:Eminent domain for IP by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Differential pricing is a consequence of income disparity. Our lifestyles are only possible because people in poorer countries are can produce our bananas and electronics at stupidly low prices. If the USA attempted to ban differential pricing, they would be shutting a hell of a lot of people out of the drugs market -- cheap drugs in Africa are profitable in a tokenistic sense -- they are profitable precisely because the costs are already offset in rich countries. If they had a choice between selling only at African prices or only at American ones, they'd stick to American ones, as that's where the profit lies.

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  13. How about direct government support? by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't have a billion bucks lying around to TRY to produce an antibiotic with! I doubt I could get someone to invest a billion in something that is probably more than 50% likely to fail to get $2B.

    Who would go for this prize when there are actual WINNING investments to put $1B into?

    The lack of new antibiotics is a perfect example of market failure. They're not particularly profitable, and if they WERE, as someone pointed out, ($1000 per pill) people would only take 5 of their 10 pills until they were feeling better and sell the last 5 on the black market.

    No, the market is NOT the solution here. Direct government support of antibiotic development is what is needed. Sure, pick the best developers, but governnent funds the development, and then the PUBLIC reaps the benefit of a PUBLICLY owned antibiotic, which does NOT have to be fed to animals in order to generate enough volume to make a profit for the company that invested to develop it!

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  14. Re:Already happening by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only are there orphan drugs, there are orphan diseases, one of which is MS. One of the major drugs used to control this is Avonex. Check out the cost of a monthly supply, and note that a monthly supply consists of exactly four doses. About the only way anybody but the 1% can afford it is the fact that if you're using it you're automatically eligible for Medicare, SSI and whatever assistance your state offers. And, I suspect that if that weren't the case, the price would drop dramatically because without the subsidies there wouldn't be any market for it.

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  15. No, not really... by Interfacer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a company that makes Orphan drugs. Yes, they're ridiculously expensive. The reason is that the number of patients for our drugs number in the couple of thousands globally. Our workforce to run the entire plant, do QA, maintenance, regulatory administration and production processes etc numbers in the several hundreds. Those people need to be paid every month by what a couple thousand people pay for their meds every month.

    And that is without taking into account that this entire plant was built for making this drug, which was an investment of hundreds of millions of dollars, with several millions annually for upkeep and maintenance.

    I agree that we probably make a decent profit or we wouldn't be doing it.
    However, if subsidizing we to stop, we'd just stop making it because with the numbers I mentioned above, it is impossible to make our drugs in a manner that would be affordable without it. And that would mean those people would simply die.