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Reddit Imposes Ban On Sexual Content Posted Without Permission

Mark Wilson writes If you want to post naked pictures or videos of people on Reddit without their consent, you only have a couple of weeks to do so. As of March, the site is imposing a ban on content of an explicit nature that the subject has not given permission to be posted. The cleanup of the site comes hot on the heels of news from Google that explicit content will be banned from Blogger. It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening which saw a glut of naked celebrity photos leaked online.

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  1. verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's this mean for the gone wild boards... verified posters only?

    1. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lie and say you have permission?

    2. Re: verified by countach74 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reddits policy change seems much different than Google's. As a free market, private property type, wouldn't you agree that reddits policy change is moral in that it is an attempt to return property to its rightful owner?

    3. Re:verified by JumperCable · · Score: 2

      The main gone wild boards already required verification.

    4. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      Yes. Next question?

      Too be more expansive: If you think that I as a host should not have the right to throw abusive visitors out of a gathering at my place, you're a fucking idiot.

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    5. Re:verified by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      1. If it's not government if it's not censorship.
      2. We should not be surprised that these organisations have to limit their liability as a response to abuse by their users.
      3. No, we should not be happy that their users have effectively forced them to do this.

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    6. Re: verified by 2fuf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was a property issue, shouldn't it then go for all posted pics, sounds, videos, documents etc.?
      They do single out nudity as subject matter.

    7. Re: verified by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      If someone takes a picture of you in a public place they own the picture, not you. Then again, I suppose that applies to nude pictures too but most people aren't nude in public very often.

    8. Re: verified by henni16 · · Score: 2

      The photographer owns the the copyright of his picture, but in jurisdictions with stronger data protection laws than apparently most of the US, that doesn't give a photographer permission to publish the picture without consent of the depicted person.

  2. Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucky that slashdot's commenting system is so ancient and crappy it doesn't have to worry about people uploading gifs or anything else that isn't ascii.

    1. Re:Slashdot lucks out by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think anyone uploads pictures to Reddit. It's mostly posts linked to imgur.

  3. Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Xac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until it tries to uphold it.

    1. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      free speech doesn't exist on reddit. Have a read about "shadowbans".

    2. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tsotha · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no free speech on reddit. They're no better than Facebook or Google.

    3. Re: Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Free speech means I get to post naked pictures of others without their consent"

      Man, I thought the idea was a bit more noble. Can't get behind that one.

    4. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is posting nudes of someone without their permission on a commercial website a free speech issue? It might be a criminal issue, but I'm not sure what aspect of "the government doesn't limit citizen's speech" applies to reddit not wanting to participate in the crime of distributing sexually explicit stolen images.

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    5. Re: Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      You mean, the way that they go out of their way to ban people who disagree with them? That's reddits censorship, there's a reason why places like voat are becoming more popular, and reddit even went out of their way to take over the /r/voat and /r/metaredditcancer shadowbanned all the mods, and took them over. That all started over this comment here. And of course we can't forget the thread on /r/games that had 25k deleted comments either, and the majority of people were shadowbanned from that one too, that was a thread on TB relating to the incestuous relationship indie developers have with some game journos.

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    6. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until it tries to uphold it.

      In what possible conceivable way is your free speech being curtailed by not allowing you to post stolen nude photos of other people? Some people shout "free speech" at anything. Newsflash cocksucker: your right to self expression does not cover actively harming other people.

    7. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tgeller · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course there's a way to verify permission for such photos. It's called a model release.

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  4. Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I get the feeling Reddit is about to implode. Their new CEO Ellen Pao has a history of getting herself involved in sexual affairs with married co-workers and then filing sexual harassment lawsuits against her employers. That's how she makes her living, positioning herself to be "harassed" then suing over it. Her husband, who is gay, no kidding, is another lawsuit troll who sues his own employers and even his landlord over claims of racial discrimination, meanwhile he runs a hedge fund which is likely to be a Ponzi scheme and is under federal investigation.

    This interesting power-couple is about to need money again. I give Reddit about six more months before she storms off and then hits them with a $50 million lawsuit for sexual harassment.

    1. Re:Crazy at the helm by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't say doing it once (at least the suit, have no idea or evidence about the affairs) represents a "history". If she sues Reddit next, then I would call it a history. Also, the information I see says that it was not a harassment suit, but a gender discrimination suit. Hard to claim gender discrimination when they make her a CEO. Although I would suspect a guy could probably make a good claim (that would be thrown out because discriminating against males is okay) that Reddit is just hopping on the bandwagon of female CEOs and are thus illegally discriminating based on gender.
      Now, if she is really getting involved in affairs with employees, I might go get me a job at Reddit. She's one hot CEO. I'll get my wife's permission first, or course.

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    2. Re:Crazy at the helm by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was curious about your comment and ended up binge reading stuff about Pao. Based on what I've read, you are spot on.

      Fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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  5. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The alternative would be that nobody is allowed to post ANYTHING until someone has verified that it is either (1) not nudity/pornography, or else (2) that it comes accompanied with some kind of proof of permission.

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  6. Not surprised by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reddit's decline started before the censorship of Gamergate. It started before the Something Awful forums invaded SRS and turned it into a joke. It's never was about gender wars. (although some of those events were symptomatic) It was never about politics. (although political vote warring and karma whoring added to the mess.)

    Reddit's decline started the first time legal speech that no one liked was censored. It was an unpopular board. It was a popular decision to ban it despite it not violating rules. I'm not going to name the subreddit that was deleted because which sub it started with is irrelevant.Reddit administration banned a board, signaling that any sufficiently unpopular speech could be removed at will by administration. From that moment those seeking to remove various forms of speech started to work toward influencing admins.

    Some people will applaud this action, saying that no one should have their private pictures posted without their consent. Some people will call this an issue of right to privacy. Those people are misguided.

    When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable. And don't say, "slippery slope". This has happened over and over and over. It doesn't matter whether people should be posting such pictures. It doesn't matter how distasteful they are. It doesn't matter what intent the poster has. Or how distasteful the poster is. Or the reader. It happened at Digg. It has happened in certain churches. It has happened in Korea. It happened in Russia and China. "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

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    1. Re:Not surprised by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Free Speech provision of the constitution covers government, not private, censorship. Further, you've never been guaranteed freedom from the consequences of said speech, like having it removed because it's unpopular.

    2. Re:Not surprised by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free speech isn't just an American's right, it's a human right. Protecting it is necessary for prosperity and freedom whether you're in the US or in North Korea. I never said "Reddit shouldn't do this because it's against the constitution."

      Reddit shouldn't be doing this because it tends to violate an innate human right and because it will destroy Reddit. And since I see you're inclined to take my words out of context I have to say the following: Your next argument would probably be, "yeah right. Posting revenge nudes is a human right" and my reply is this: As I said in my first post, which particular speech is being threatened is irrelevant.

      Censorship is a ball and chain for the soul of man. Whatever the speech in question, the act of censoring it turns the latch that locks the shackle. Whatever the first link, others are added until a great weight is there. And placing that weight on a single family, a forum of millions, or a large and prosperous nation are all immoral.

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    3. Re:Not surprised by jdavidb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reddit shouldn't be doing this because it tends to violate an innate human right and because it will destroy Reddit

      That's Reddit's choice to make, though, right? Just use some other forum.

    4. Re:Not surprised by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Irrelevant. Reddit can do whatever they want in terns of banning, sure, it's their site, but it's not about whether they can, it's about whether they're assholes.

      These days, I don't know where you'd go to discuss unpopular (but legal) topics - even 4chan has been overrun by SJWs.

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    5. Re:Not surprised by tsotha · · Score: 2

      There will always be a place. Reddit has simply opened the door to the next bit social media site as it slowly follows Digg (and slashdot, to some extent) into obscurity. People don't like to have their conversations constrained.

    6. Re: Not surprised by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable.

      1. Reddit cannot, in any way, stop you from expressing your opinion. The most they can do is refuse to facilitate said expression.

      2. I find it amusing that such a staunch proponent of True Free Speech would use such a tremendously wiggly, pro-oversight qualifier as legal In defining what they consider acceptable. Legal implies a level of trust in the state that is entirely at odds with the rest of your post.

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    7. Re: Not surprised by Fwipp · · Score: 2

      Those sneaky SJWs and their shadow cabal.

      Couldn't possibly be that your particular fringe brand of "I got mine; fuck all y'all" is just being recognized for what it is.

    8. Re:Not surprised by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      8chan. 4chan is kill.

      8chan gets SJWs as well, and it even lets them have their own boards. That's doing it the right way – counter speech you don't like with more speech.

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    9. Re:Not surprised by Skidborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is slashdot violating a human right by not publishing my cupcake recipes? Isn't that violating my right to free speech? No. Forcing an individual or company to facilitate my speech is not a right, and never has been.

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    10. Re:Not surprised by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Free speech has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion. Your freedom has ALWAYS ended where mine began. Your free speech rights ENDS where it would violate my right to privacy.

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    11. Re:Not surprised by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable. And don't say, "slippery slope".

      Your first sentence is the definition of a "slippery slope" argument. You even used the most obvious word in slippery slope arguments; "inevitable". As the saying goes, "the only two things that are inevitable are death and taxes". Sure there are places where censorship has gotten out of hand but there are many more places where "censorship" has not. For example, Facebook has restrictions on the content of photos.

      You will not post content that: is hate speech, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.

      Do you think because of that they will later censor political speech too? There are lots of sites that restrict sexual content and still have very broad free speech rules.

      So now breakup posts of nude pictures that were sent in strictest confidence at a time of lust and love is now a freedom of speech issue? Sorry but ruining someone else's life because they discovered you are a duchbag and you are mad at them is not protected speech.

      "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

      Sorry but we live in a world that is not as black and white as you seem to see it. Some speech needs to be restricted as it causes damage without having any redeeming qualities.

      Denial of free speech is the first act of tyranny.

      It has been but it also has been the first step in the creation of a civil society. Criminalizing libel and slander has caused people to be sure of their facts before speaking. Do you believe that accusing an innocent person of pedophilia is free speech? Accusations like that can ruin people's lives. It is impossible to prove a negative like "He is not a pedophile"? There will always be the possibility that the proof of guilt was just not found. Too many people believe the saying "where there is smoke there is fire". Sometimes it is just someone trying to ruin someone else's life. Absolutes like "Never true" cause more trouble than they solve. We should be very careful what kind of speech we restrict. I believe requiring a release to post sexual content pictures is a valid restriction.

      Everything is about balance. In this case it is the balance between the right to freedom of speech and and the right to privacy. In this specific instance the right to privacy is more important than the ability to post sexual photos of someone else. Your argument that "if they restrict this they will restrict everything" is just absurd.

    12. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Is slashdot violating a human right by not publishing my cupcake recipes? Isn't that violating my right to free speech? No. Forcing an individual or company to facilitate my speech is not a right, and never has been.

      1 (18.25 ounce) package white cake mix
              1 1/4 cups water
              1/3 cup vegetable oil
              3 egg whites
              8 drops red food coloring
              2 drops raspberry candy oil

              Preheat an oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Line a standard muffin tin with paper cupcake liners.

              Beat the cake mix, water, vegetable oil, and egg whites together on low speed for 30 seconds, then on medium for 2 minutes, until smooth. Fill cupcake liners 1/3 full with white batter; set aside.

              Stir 4 drops of red food coloring into the remaining bowl of batter to make the batter pink, stir in the raspberry oil. Pour 1/3 of pink batter into a resealable plastic bag and set aside.

              Mix more food coloring into the remaining bowl of pink batter until it is an orange/red color and pour the batter into a resealable plastic bag. Cut a corner off the bag, stick the open tip into the center of each cup of white batter and squeeze in about two tablespoons of red batter.

              Cut the corner off the bag with the pink batter, stick the open tip into the center of the red batter and squeeze about 1 tablespoon pink batter into each cup.

              Bake the layered cupcakes in the preheated oven until a toothpick inserted into the center comes out clean, 15 to 20 minutes. Cool completely before frosting.

      Is Slashdot censoring your cupcake recipes? They're not censoring mine. (Though they have censored some of my other posts, and yes, that's fucking shitty of them to do.)

    13. Re:Not surprised by Tom · · Score: 2

      Some people will applaud this action, saying that no one should have their private pictures posted without their consent. Some people will call this an issue of right to privacy. Those people are misguided.

      Explain how, exactly.

      There are things that you just don't do (like, say hitting a woman).

      Unfortunately, if the population is large and anonymous enough, you always have someone who does something that you shouldn't do. That's when we need a law. You understand these laws don't fall from the sky, yes? They're the written down rules of society. And society needs rules, otherwise it's not a society, it's just a mob.

      And posting sex pictures of other people without their consent is just the kind of stuff that you don't do. And if people don't get it, you have to tell them.

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    14. Re:Not surprised by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >I'm sure it's legal to post your credit card details and bank information. I would very much like you to post that using your freedom of speech.

      Actually, you can improve this analogy. For him to be logically consistent with the stupid argument he is making - he would have to agree that if *I* steal his wallet and post his credit card details on reddit and then return the wallet - he would be quite happy to let reddit leave the details there ?

      Ironically - that is a much lesser violation of his rights than what he is actually defending. Money is not worth nearly as much as a person's right to ownership of their own bodies.

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  7. Jailbait by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean the jailbait subs or the sub where the teacher was uploading upskirt pics of students?

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  8. actually you could have images on slashdot.. by CrAlt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For one day only..back in 2000.

    https://imgur.com/3gOniL8

    IIRC it was an exploit in one of the tags.

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  9. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

    You haven't lived until you've seen a centerfold spread out over six feet of multiple strips of punched paper tape. :/

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  10. Bah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Better yet, stop pretending your body is some special butterfly that will cause the sky to fall and dogs to make love to cats should somebody actually get a look at it. The whole body paranoia thing is a society wide neurosis. At best. You look very similar to everyone else. The more you take off, the more that's true.

    I'd rather see someone dressed to the max than naked any day, I think probably because it actually tells me something about their self image at the time. It means nothing negative to me to see them naked, and frankly, not a whole lot positive. Meh. Truly.

    Of course, then we have the motivational "gifts" provided by superstition, but I already mentioned neurosis, so...

  11. Re:Fappening? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening

    Can we get a definition of that for old farts with a UNIX beard like me?

    Here let me finish the rest of the cut-off quote:

    saw a glut of naked celebrity photos leaked online

    That's actually it. There's nothing more than that. The Fappening was the name given to the mass of nude celebrity photos posted online, by whoever originally posted the thread. The wording could have been better, but the full definition is actually in the summary.

  12. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Shados · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its people's reaction to seeing naked pictures of you that are the problem. You can get fired, disqualified from jobs, shunned, and all around your life can become a living hell.

    If you get beat up in a alley, the damage (aside for the psychological damage from the event itself) might go away once the wounds heal. If you're a teacher and students find pictures of you? You potentially can kiss your career (or at least your next promotion) good bye.

    And its one thing if the person allowed the picture to be taken (though even then, but whatever), but a lot of people abuse of positions of trust, and a lot of those pictures are taken without consent. There's a LOT of assholes out there.

  13. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    I don't have a problem with being seen naked. Society has a problem with seeing me naked.

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  14. What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I take my stand on the proposition that the publication of nude and/or sexually explicit photographs without the consent of the subject is a form of rape.

    This not art. This is not speech.

    This is humiliation. This is malice. This is revenge. This is greed. This is crime. Revenge porn

    Free speech cannot survive in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Free speech has to mean something more than the adolescent's desire for instant sexual self-gratification.

    In the form of an illicit photograph to masturbate by.

    I am sick and tired of the geek playing the censorship card when anyone asks him to behave like an adult.

    1. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Alrescha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "And I take my stand that this is a vile statement that devalues actual rape"

      This. A thousand times this.

      Using a hotword like rape to generate an emotional reaction to support your cause does a disservice to everyone, especially to those who are victims of actual rape.

      A.

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    2. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > a form of rape

      Here comes the "everything is rape" bullshit again.

      > I am sick and tired of the geek

      And here we get to the core again: good old-fashioned nerd-bashing.

  15. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Back in my day, we had to look at actual naked folk.

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  16. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    and a lot of those pictures are taken without consent.

    What consent? I find the vast minority are pictures taken without consent. The majority are:

    a) In public where there's no right to privacy and thus no consent (e.g. passed out on the sidewalk after a hell of a fun night)
    b) In private due to own stupidity (e.g. Naked selfie sent over the internet, or sent to third party).
    c) With consent withdrawn at a later date and then complaining about being unable to reverse the Streisand Effect (i.e. amateur porn from ages ago, or that picture you took 10 years ago you wish you didn't).

    The problem is not so much a lack of consent, but that people will openly consent to waaay too much without thought about consequences and ultimately with little recourse when it all goes wrong. Yes this is blaming the victim, and you are right that there are plenty of assholes out there that prey on these kinds of victims, but as a society we are beginning to show an unrealistic expectation of privacy, as the media* and the Streisand effect shows over and over again.

    *Side note I always laugh at the people who come out of the courts and then assault a news camera man because they think they have the right to privacy walking down a public street, only to end up right back in court again.

  17. Nice Website by sycodon · · Score: 2

    Feds to Reddit: "That's a nice website you have there..."

    You know the rest.

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  18. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by IllusionalForce · · Score: 2

    Weird shit.