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Uber Offers Free Rides To Koreans, Hopes They Won't Report Illegal Drivers

itwbennett writes Uber Technologies is offering free rides on its uberX ride-sharing service in the South Korean capital of Seoul, after city authorities intensified their crackdown on illegal drivers by offering a reward to residents who report Uber drivers to police. South Korean law prohibits unregistered drivers from soliciting passengers using private or rented vehicles and carries a penalty of up to two years in prison or fines of up to 20 million won.

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  1. Screw your laws by Rinikusu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because we gotta make that paper, bitches.

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    1. Re: Screw your laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you really that naive? Give for free, get a "good" name, be made legal, "paper".

      With companies like Uber capitalism has really hit rock bottom. No products, no innovation, just a parasitic entity, forcibly trying to become a middle-man in all transactions.

    2. Re: Screw your laws by plasm4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're no different from normal taxi companies really. The driver works and pays for the upkeep of the car and pays a weekly or monthly fee to the taxi company. Taxi drivers in my area have to work 70 - 80 hour weeks to make a living. It does suck.

    3. Re: Screw your laws by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're no different from normal taxi companies really.

      Exactly -- which is why they should comply with the same registration laws as other taxi companies./p.

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    4. Re: Screw your laws by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you really that naive? Give for free, get a "good" name, be made legal, "paper".

      With companies like Uber capitalism has really hit rock bottom. No products, no innovation, just a parasitic entity, forcibly trying to become a middle-man in all transactions.

      What kind of Bizarro Superman world do you live in? What's happening in Seoul is the exact opposite of capitalism in a free market.

      The government is chasing out the new competition at the behest of the sclerotic old, and is actually handing their business model over to connected cronies.

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    5. Re: Screw your laws by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Parasitic in that they hose their drivers. They produce nothing of real value, they just take a cut. Like a racketeer.

      Yeah! That's the way I feel about my grocer! He doesn't produce anything of real value. He just sells me the farmers' and ranchers' produce and takes a cut. And my doctor. He sits in his office and doesn't produce anything. And engineers. Just sitting there drawing all day, but not making anything. And programmers.

      I just have to wonder why people keep going to them if they don't add any value. Why don't people just call people with cars and ask for a ride.

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  2. Uber != ridesharing. by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uber is ride sharing in the same way pizza delivery is food sharing. People and companies are making money off of it therefore it is not sharing.

  3. Re:I wonder why... by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    really?

    a company comes in, says "fuck your laws, we don't need to follow them, we'll write our own", and the municipality should go "welcome to our city"?

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  4. Re:Why by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Criminal records checks
    Corporate liability for misconduct
    Vehicle checks and certifications
    Availability of vehicles in off hours
    Services for the disabled
    Rate limits.
    Discrimination, passengers can not be discriminated against based on protected aspects such as race, gender, age, etc.
    All of the above go into the regulation of taxis in most jurisdictions. In exchange for these regulations the taxi companies are given a limited number of licenses so that the limited revenue potential does not get spread too thin to make a living wage.

    I used to work for a cab company and they threatened to fine us if we did not put on more handicap accessible vehicles. If Uber takes off the limited amount of revenue will be spread over too many people and full time drivers will find other work. Part time drivers work whenever they want and there is no guarantee there will be divers available to all times.

    Uber does not care who drives for them or if they make a living wage. They just want the revenue. There has already been strikes(scroll to the bottom) for higher pay.

  5. Re:I wonder why... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at it like this: You are a municipality. You have local taxi companies and they're all regulated and pay for their special licenses and whatnot. The system works. You get some money and you can be certain that taxi drivers are competent and relatively trustworthy. This also goes for taxi drivers from other municipalities because those are also regulated and licensed.

    Now Uber show up and declare themselves to be exempt from taxi laws because they don't employ taxi drivers, they just make money by "soliciting" "ridesharing", which is somehow different except it seems to work exactly the same*. And they're not willing to enforce that their drivers have valid licenses because they think they're not subject to the law.

    Now you have lots of taxi drivers in all but name driving around without a license and you probably can't even get Uber to disclose their identities so you can fine them because, again, Uber thinks there's no legal basis for this.

    I think it's fairly easy to see why Uber isn't very popular with municipalities.


    * Technically it's a form of outsourcing but to my knowledge they don't require the drivers to be their own proper taxi businesses so Uber is still blatantly ignoring the law by contracting with people they know don't qualify under existing regulations.

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  6. Re:I wonder why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually many of the people you listed are definitely licensed. most by the country and many by individual cities/states. especially, plumbers, lawyers, nannies, nurses and most certainly electricians.

  7. Re:I wonder why... by _merlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cities don't license plumbers, painter, interior decorators, electricians, doctors, lawyers, nannies, or nurses. Even though these people need much more training.

    In Australia, plumbers, electricians, doctors, nannies and nurses all need to be licensed. You're talking out your arse or you live in the wild west.

  8. Re:I wonder why... by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Informative

    But I find it rather amazing how every municipality around the world is rushing to the defense of existing taxicab services.

    That is because every municipality went through the time when there was no taxi regulations. There was rampant fare kiting, discrimination, lack of coverage, lack of insurance, poor customer service, bad drivers, poorly repaired vehicles, etc. While regulations have not solved all those issues it has decreased them. The fact that many communities that have gone through the same issue have come up with the same solution is not surprising. Taxi regulations have been refined over decades to produce a system that works. No municipality in their right mind would want to go back to the days before regulation.

  9. criminal organisation by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    regardless of what you think of Uber's model, blatantly breaking a countries laws or incenting others to break laws is just asking for trouble. I am surprised more criminal charges haven't been brought down on the CEO's and other execs at Uber, could see some interesting tests of those extradition laws.

  10. Why is this so hard to understand? by Akratist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone here is all about "Net Neutrality," because they are against monopolies, yet pile on something like Uber which is an alternative to the licensed taxi monopoly. Furthermore, people are focusing on the positives and negatives of Uber as it is implemented and practiced, and are missing the larger picture. If Uber is a crappy, dangerous way to get a ride, that reputation is going to spread and the company is going to fail. If it's as safe as a regular taxi and provides benefits that people would not find with normal taxi service, it'll prosper. Quite a few comments seem to revolve around the fact that Uber acts as a middleman, and don't like that. Are those same people pissing and moaning about everything from Ebay to Walmart, which also acts as a middleman between producers and consumers? For that matter, what is the practical difference from me asking a person if they will give me a ride for gas money and an extra $20 for their time, even if I don't use an app? Personally, I wouldn't use Uber, but I also wouldn't smoke pot, yet think people should be free to do either if they are willing to assume the risk involved. If Uber sees that people don't have confidence in the trustworthiness of their drivers, then they are going to have to respond to that, or lose business.

  11. Re:Registration by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Informative

    Keeping prices high keeps taxis available.

    Try to get a taxi at 6th and 44th in Manhattan at 5PM. Taxis are pretty damn expensive in NYC, and pretty much impossible to find when demand is high. Know what is available at 5PM? Uber cars.

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  12. Re:Registration by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keeping prices high keeps taxis available.

    Let me see if I can follow your logic...Limiting the number of taxis makes the price of taxis high. Keeping the prices high keeps taxis available. Therefore...Limiting the number of taxis keeps taxis available. I don't think that even the great logician and philosopher Yogi Berra could improve on your statement.

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  13. Re:Registration by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try to get a taxi at 6th and 44th in Manhattan at 5PM. Taxis are pretty damn expensive in NYC, and pretty much impossible to find when demand is high. Know what is available at 5PM? Uber cars.

    If everyone could get a taxi at peak time, would they get home quicker? No, because you'd have gridlock. This is one of the things that city planners take into account when managing taxi licensing.

    Public transport is an efficient solution at peak time. It may not seem like it -- what with waiting times, multiple stops, the need to walk a bit and connect -- but mass transit is the only way to keep that many people moving. 25 years ago New York was famous worldwide for its traffic jams -- you don't want that again.

    Taxis are useful at times of lower demand, when public transport becomes inefficient.

    Unlimited cars leads to a tragedy-of-the-commons scenario. I'd tell you to stop being so selfish, but even enlightened self-interested says you should just get a damn bus.

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